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IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 19 @ 1:44 PM ET
No impact. He's only 24, but has 6 full seasons in the NHL. He'd be UFA next summer.
- Lunaion


Ahh, makes more sense now. Thanks...and never mind about the above post.
Hank Balling
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.18.2021

Jul 19 @ 1:45 PM ET
I am failing to see the logic in the team taking him to Arb.
I know they get another year to try to negotiate a contract, but If UFA status is the result, why would he sign then and not now? Maybe they can work a trade over the next year? That would seem to ve high risk for the acquiring team.
I'm not following.

- IonSabres


They didn't want him to accept his QO because then he would be locked into that contract and teams wouldn't be trading for his RFA rights, they'd be trading for a $9m pending UFA. So this buys them some time to either work out a long term deal or find a trade partner before a deal kicks in
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 19 @ 1:45 PM ET
The mythical, never to happen trade would be for a long term extended Tkachuk.
- kingcong39


I'll pass...he would get in the way of Skinner
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 19 @ 1:46 PM ET
They didn't want him to accept his QO because then he would be locked into that contract and teams wouldn't be trading for his RFA rights, they'd be trading for a $9m pending UFA. So this buys them some time to either work out a long term deal or find a trade partner before a deal kicks in
- Hank Balling


Right, they just bought a little time. If it actually gets to a hearing, they lose.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jul 19 @ 1:57 PM ET
I'll pass...he would get in the way of Skinner
- IonSabres


We were clearly a Copp and Marchment away from winning a cup next year Ion, get with the program.

homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 19 @ 2:02 PM ET
We were clearly a Copp and Marchment away from winning a cup next year Ion, get with the program.
- Pegullaville

we would be a better team for the next 5 years with them, vs w/o them

most people get that
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Jul 19 @ 2:03 PM ET
Johan Larson actually liked buffalo but was mad when Adams didn’t want to resign him last summer. Basically he wasn’t in there plans

So unless that changed. I doubt he’s coming
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jul 19 @ 2:06 PM ET
Right, they just bought a little time. If it actually gets to a hearing, they lose.
- Lunaion



Tkachuk could just sign it and completely fvck with Calgary.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Jul 19 @ 2:06 PM ET
we would be a better team for the next 5 years with them, vs w/o them

most people get that

- homiedclown


I’m not disagreeing with you, but at the same time I’m not losing sleep about picking top 10 again this year and still having salary cap flexibility next offseason.

There is no scenario that Buffalo is a legitimate contender next year, zip.

Would it be nice to break the drought ? Absolutely.

Would be cool to win a Stanley Cup too and if that takes another top 10 pick and another year of patience, so be it
joshs
Buffalo Sabres
Location: cheektowaga, NY
Joined: 07.07.2012

Jul 19 @ 2:09 PM ET
I am failing to see the logic in the team taking him to Arb.
I know they get another year to try to negotiate a contract, but If UFA status is the result, why would he sign then and not now? Maybe they can work a trade over the next year? That would seem to ve high risk for the acquiring team.
I'm not following.

- IonSabres


I’d imagine his discounted trade return will likely be better for Calgary vs the 2 1st a 2nd and a 3rd he would bring back on an offer sheet.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 19 @ 2:12 PM ET
Tkachuk could just sign it and completely fvck with Calgary.
- dadeadhead


Sign what?
Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

Jul 19 @ 2:15 PM ET
we would be a better team for the next 5 years with them, vs w/o them

most people get that

- homiedclown



What stops them from doing that next year, even our young guys are known production instead of question marks still. This isn’t a cup team this year. Who cares if we are 4 wins better this year over doing it next year
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 19 @ 2:16 PM ET


Would it be nice to break the drought ? Absolutely.

Would be cool to win a Stanley Cup too and if that takes another top 10 pick and another year of patience, so be it

- Pegullaville


this has been repeated for many years however

just 1 more year of a top 10 pick

year after year



homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 19 @ 2:18 PM ET
What stops them from doing that next year, even our young guys are known production instead of question marks still. This isn’t a cup team this year. Who cares if we are 4 wins better this year over doing it next year
- Fattony1187
there is no guarantee we are a better team in the standings next year vs this year

Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jul 19 @ 2:31 PM ET
there is no guarantee we are a better team in the standings next year vs this year
- homiedclown


https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

Bedard first try, things are looking good!
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 19 @ 2:32 PM ET
we would be a better team for the next 5 years with them, vs w/o them

most people get that

- homiedclown


Count me in the minor group...maybe we have 2 30 goal scorers on ELC's coming our way, saving ~$9m that then could be spent on a Tkachuck or similar next season. That's a win/win/win scenario.

Last year at this time, nobody except Rat knew who Marchment was...even then I did not hear him boasting about him likely to pot 20 pts let alone nearly 50
Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

Jul 19 @ 2:32 PM ET
there is no guarantee we are a better team in the standings next year vs this year
- homiedclown



So Andrew Copp was going to solve that?? If we are worse this year it means our young guys aren’t what we hoped, which means we shouldn’t be wasting assets by trading for or signing fringe players
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 19 @ 2:35 PM ET
this has been repeated for many years however

just 1 more year of a top 10 pick

year after year




- homiedclown


Can you find one of her naked doing that?
Rsh
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.23.2021

Jul 19 @ 2:46 PM ET
Well said. I don't get the constant desire to draw conclusions on people. It isn't like Mitts is similar to Nylander, a guy who never ever ever showed a thing. Would it surprise anyone if Mitts put it all together?
- Slump Buster

Bs
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jul 19 @ 2:46 PM ET
So Andrew Copp was going to solve that?? If we are worse this year it means our young guys aren’t what we hoped, which means we shouldn’t be wasting assets by trading for or signing fringe players
- Fattony1187

He never said that, he said he could have helped with that. And if the young guys get worse which would not be a good thing, just means the cycle repeats itself because now we wait to see if the next set of prospects are the one's.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 19 @ 2:48 PM ET
So Andrew Copp was going to solve that?? If we are worse this year it means our young guys aren’t what we hoped, which means we shouldn’t be wasting assets by trading for or signing fringe players
- Fattony1187

copp makes this team closer to a playoff team, as well as a cup team
today, next year, and the following 4 years after that

just rename them the loserville sabres if there is no desire to try to ice a team against tampa, florida, leafs and a bruin team




homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 19 @ 2:51 PM ET
Can you find one of her naked doing that?
- IonSabres

Desparado movie
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 19 @ 2:52 PM ET
He never said that, he said he could have helped with that. And if the young guys get worse which would not be a good thing, just means the cycle repeats itself because now we wait to see if the next set of prospects are the one's.
- Buff36

no he is right

copp is a fringe player


Rsh
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.23.2021

Jul 19 @ 3:02 PM ET
You want Matt tk trade mitts olo and the next year 1st and Vagus 2nd
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 19 @ 3:08 PM ET
Could it be that this roster, as it stands right now could end up being a better team, with players improving; yet they finish about the same?
Seems to me several Eastern teams have made some nice adjustments
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