I'd agree if it was one or two players involved. This was several, even if the rest weren't involved, they look bad for either knowing about it and not speaking up, or else not saying to the group, "Hey, this girl's too drunk, even if she says yes, she's not going to be happy when she sobers up. This might not be good idea."
- DariusKnight

Woulda coulda shoulda for every person on the planet more than a few times in their lives.

Most raise their children in hopes that they make the right decision in the moment at the right time. It's not 100% perfect.

Whatever "player" was texting the girl in the next day. Was scared about his future, he doesn't try and bully her in the text but at no point does he apologize to the girl other than saying "he understands she feels embarrassed". He also doesn't try and coach her what to say to the police. She actually apologizes to him, which I thought was really sad.

Fair point...

Jay
@JHammer_87
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7m
I’ve preached patience with this front office, and I’ve like a lot of what they’ve done. But paying JT at age 30 with a team that’s done nothing as a group, is a gigantic red flag that nothing has really changed.
- VanHockeyGuy

That depends entirely on term.

Entitlement.
- VanHockeyGuy

Lindros began it all.

That depends entirely on term.
- golfingsince

Hard no to 7 IMO, front load it. Problem is cap space.

yeah, this is getting spicy, seems like the potential suspect list is getting pretty narrow now.
- Nucker101

A guy at work thinks he knows who the guy who the texter guy is that brought her up to the room.

Fair point...

Jay
@JHammer_87
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7m
I’ve preached patience with this front office, and I’ve like a lot of what they’ve done. But paying JT at age 30 with a team that’s done nothing as a group, is a gigantic red flag that nothing has really changed.
- VanHockeyGuy

When & how much did JT re-up?

Hard no to 7 IMO, front load it. Problem is cap space.
- VanHockeyGuy

That's been mentioned a few times going back a couple of years now. Oh well, at least we have OEL?

Hard no to 7 IMO, front load it. Problem is cap space.
- VanHockeyGuy

Never been a problem. Move on.

Boo hoo. Cry me a river.

Then Booner can pack his 70 different fishing rods and fish it.
- Load Management

You wouldn't be able to fish it because it would have a bait ban.

When & how much did JT re-up?
- Nighthawk

They don't know yet, the word is they want to keep him.

They don't know yet, the word is they want to keep him.
- VanHockeyGuy

Of course they want to keep him. It is predicated on term & $. 6yrs has been the example JR used. We assume reports are JT wants 8.5-9m. 6/8.5m I’m ok with being I still see 3 very good years of production & lesser but solid in years 4-6. Given the prospects we have now I don’t see enough of them or any who will push him down the line-up far enough to make the cost a problem. Easy for me to say so now it comes down to is Miller willing to stay & see us as an up n comer or bolt to a contender who can afford him. If the latter then which team(s) could that be who can fit him into their cap space? Furthermore are those same in contact to trade for him? Serious interest has to be out there & will come down to who can play hard ball best & be the most shrewd.

Given the so-called rumoured for Miller of 3-4 pieces that is only the bar set no different than Chychrun & other high profile players.

So that aside any trade will come in less than that imo if a trade happens. Holding out for a top young RHD is only the preferred stance taken. That is what is holding up a trade. Assuming that condition isn’t met out there I’d think JT gets 3 pieces back. Top prospect a 1st then B prospect. 2nd get is a proven 3C type to fill the hole & a 1st & the 3rd piece idk. Would a cap dump added be possible if dealing is difficult?

Of course they want to keep him. It is predicated on term & $. 6yrs has been the example JR used. We assume reports are JT wants 8.5-9m. 6/8.5m I’m ok with being I still see 3 very good years of production & lesser but solid in years 4-6. Given the prospects we have now I don’t see enough of them or any who will push him down the line-up far enough to make the cost a problem. Easy for me to say so now it comes down to is Miller willing to stay & see us as an up n comer or bolt to a contender who can afford him. If the latter then which team(s) could that be who can fit him into their cap space? Furthermore are those same in contact to trade for him? Serious interest has to be out there & will come down to who can play hard ball best & be the most shrewd.
- Nighthawk

I'd rather pay 5x9.

I'd rather pay 5x9.
- golfingsince

Even better. Hadn't considered that so would Miller take less term would be the big Q.

Miller on the open market?

7/9.5m = 66.5m
7/9m = 63m
6/9.5m = 57m
7/8.5m = 59.5m
6/9m = 54m
6/8.5m = 51m

Best guess examples…
Presuming he has a total $ figure in mind using the hi & lo added then halved is 58.5m then 6yrs in the UFA market seems his best hope. 7yrs is more likely only if a team wants to spread out his cap hit. That would be 7/9m would be the most he might get. 6/9.5m seems a bit of a stretch. 7/9m imo is what he’d want & settle for but Canucks top offer be 6/9.5m if he truly would stay.

I have to believe term will decide it.

Rationally you only sign Miller if you think your cup window is the next 3 or 4 seasons. Otherwise you are making a massive commitment to just make the playoffs and passing on the potential to put this team in a better position for years to come.

Meanwhile, it really does look like they want to keep Miller and simply tweak Benning's roster(and this isn't a cup contender). I haven't seen anything yet that suggests otherwise...

I still see the FA model in place regardless of the management switchover.

Rationally you only sign Miller if you think your cup window is the next 3 or 4 seasons. Otherwise you are making a massive commitment to just make the playoffs and passing on the potential to put this team in a better position for years to come.

Meanwhile, it really does look like they want to keep Miller and simply tweak Benning's roster(and this isn't a cup contender). I haven't seen anything yet that suggests otherwise...

I still see the FA model in place regardless of the management switchover.
- boonerbuck

They're a couple of good young players away from being a contender. I agree with the sentiments on Miller, was driving that bus a long time ago.

That's why you hold onto your first round picks.

Miller on the open market?

7/9.5m = 66.5m
7/9m = 63m
6/9.5m = 57m
7/8.5m = 59.5m
6/9m = 54m
6/8.5m = 51m

Best guess examples…
Presuming he has a total $ figure in mind using the hi & lo added then halved is 58.5m then 6yrs in the UFA market seems his best hope. 7yrs is more likely only if a team wants to spread out his cap hit. That would be 7/9m would be the most he might get. 6/9.5m seems a bit of a stretch. 7/9m imo is what he’d want & settle for but Canucks top offer be 6/9.5m if he truly would stay.

I have to believe term will decide it.
- Nighthawk

He's going to want to go to a market he's comfortable in, or stay in one. He's going to want to have a chance to win. That's also an influence on money and term, and taxes could be as well. All these things play a factor when you're approaching UFA.

Rationally you only sign Miller if you think your cup window is the next 3 or 4 seasons. Otherwise you are making a massive commitment to just make the playoffs and passing on the potential to put this team in a better position for years to come.

Meanwhile, it really does look like they want to keep Miller and simply tweak Benning's roster(and this isn't a cup contender). I haven't seen anything yet that suggests otherwise...

I still see the FA model in place regardless of the management switchover.
- boonerbuck

I'm really upbeat and excited with the team and looking forward to the coming season, glad Miller will be apart of it...

He's going to want to go to a market he's comfortable in, or stay in one. He's going to want to have a chance to win. That's also an influence on money and term, and taxes could be as well. All these things play a factor when you're approaching UFA.
- golfingsince

Yes to all of that.
Canucks meet the 1st criteria ✅
2nd criteria depends on defining win
A cup contender needs the cap space if that’s his want for winning. He could get good term but money is a harder to get. Taxes would offset that but how much is money a part of it since he’ll get paid big anyways.

Imo he’ll get paid here but he wants to win no doubt. Does he see enough in our roster to satisfy that desire & sees this in his future here while we build for contention & he’s willing to endure the process? If not then he’s in contend now mode.

I'm really upbeat and excited with the team and looking forward to the coming season, glad Miller will be apart of it...
- Makita

Agree but my optimism he’ll remain a Canuck is being challenged.

Rationally you only sign Miller if you think your cup window is the next 3 or 4 seasons. Otherwise you are making a massive commitment to just make the playoffs and passing on the potential to put this team in a better position for years to come.

Meanwhile, it really does look like they want to keep Miller and simply tweak Benning's roster(and this isn't a cup contender). I haven't seen anything yet that suggests otherwise...

I still see the FA model in place regardless of the management switchover.
- boonerbuck

My take is any unraveling management sees needed will take 1-2 years. Getting better RHD won’t be easy. Some Benning UFA’s will need a bounce back season. Possible for Dlcky but very unsure in Poolman. Any commitment to Miller isn’t a make or break scenario for me. If signed for a fair contract he won’t be fodder in the last few years unless injuries. It’ll come down to draft/develop no matter what & shrewd trading always. If term is 7-8yrs then dollar will have to reflect that. Those last years are the most worrisome.

Agree but my optimism he’ll remain a Canuck is being challenged.
- Nighthawk

See how long the Kadri situation drags on. If Miller wants to go somewhere and team has no cap space. May not get his first few choices. Plus teams will be saving up for Matthews a year later.

Chris Peters
@chrismpeters
Team USA WJC news: Chaz Lucius and Scott Morrow will not be available for camp or the tournament. USA has added Ryan Leonard (2023), Jacob Truscott (VAN), Aiden Thompson (CHI), Luke Tuch (MTL), Jacob Fowler (2023) and Remington Keopple (undrafted) to its camp.

𝗖𝗵𝗿𝗶𝘀 Faber 🔥🎙

Jacob Truscott (VAN)has taken a pretty big step in his game over the last 12 months.

Partner of Luke Hughes at Michigan. Would love to see him earn a spot.

Would also love to see Remington Keopple because of his name.

Benning a good hockey man