I don't think backing out of JG is incompetence, its the right move. The incompetence IMO stems from this past deadline, and the subsequent trade for DeAngelo. I like DeAngelo, but that was not a needed move for this team at this time. The goal should be to take advantage of a very deep draft and get the highest pick possible to get a generational talent. That for me was the last straw.
- jd250

They didn't back out because they decided it wasn't the right move. They backed out because they couldn't make it work with the cap.

The reason is clear, the Flyers rightly did not want to tie up close to $70M on one player who is small and 29 years old. It was a smart decision, but unfortunately a decision that was made not because there is a plan in place to rebuild this team properly but instead a decision based on incompetent cap management. This to me is the main reason Fletcher needs to be fired. The right and obvious plan for this team was to pick high in 2022 and 2023 drafts as well as accumulate as much draft capital as they could for the deep 2023 draft, while at the same time letting old contracts expire. Resigning Risto, getting very little for G and trading for DeAngelo were all back breakers, and will set this franchise back for years now! My only hope is this coming season is a complete disaster and the Flyers once again can luck into a top 5 pick.
- jd250

Have been trying to tell you this since 2018 but you defended him and the moves that were made that have led us to today.

You are a clown and a fraud

Nothing to do with cap management. They made a choice they didn’t want him; if they did then he would be here.
- furio16

That's simply not true in my opinion. If it was, they wouldn't have tried to move JVR to make the cap space. Fletcher thought he would be able to do that and misjudged the market. They absolutely wanted him but just weren't willing to pay the price in total.

That's simply not true in my opinion. If it was, they wouldn't have tried to move JVR to make the cap space. Fletcher thought he would be able to do that and misjudged the market.
- MJL

That is you opinion. JG said the Flyers told him the day before free agency they were out.

So my opinion is they didn’t want him. Had they not signed the 3 free agents the money was there. Not rehashing it again. You disagree.

The reason is clear, the Flyers rightly did not want to tie up close to $70M on one player who is small and 29 years old. It was a smart decision, but unfortunately a decision that was made not because there is a plan in place to rebuild this team properly but instead a decision based on incompetent cap management. This to me is the main reason Fletcher needs to be fired. The right and obvious plan for this team was to pick high in 2022 and 2023 drafts as well as accumulate as much draft capital as they could for the deep 2023 draft, while at the same time letting old contracts expire. Resigning Risto, getting very little for G and trading for DeAngelo were all back breakers, and will set this franchise back for years now! My only hope is this coming season is a complete disaster and the Flyers once again can luck into a top 5 pick.
- jd250

That is exactly my point. There is no forward thinking here at all. If they had planned better JG may have been a good fit on this team. With the dumb contracts that Chuckles has given out along with Hextall(JVR) there is no chance at getting quality talent through free agency. Chuckles didn't have any cap space for JG due to his total lack of competence as a GM. The whole thing about being a manager in any business is to be a forward thinker and planning for the future, and Chuckles has absolutely no ability to do this. FIRE CHUCKLES TODAY BEFORE IT GETS EVEN WORSE! Thanks!

Have been trying to tell you this since 2018 but you defended him and the moves that were made that have led us to today.

You are a clown and a fraud
- corduroy

Pretty much everyone had been trying to tell him that since 2018.

Or the Flyers could just walk away from arbitration. They picked Zac up on waivers, its not like they would be losing anything.
- jd250

No they can't. It is unlikely the ruling will be high enough to qualify for walkaway rights. (Just under 5 million)

The reason is clear, the Flyers rightly did not want to tie up close to $70M on one player who is small and 29 years old. It was a smart decision, but unfortunately a decision that was made not because there is a plan in place to rebuild this team properly but instead a decision based on incompetent cap management. This to me is the main reason Fletcher needs to be fired. The right and obvious plan for this team was to pick high in 2022 and 2023 drafts as well as accumulate as much draft capital as they could for the deep 2023 draft, while at the same time letting old contracts expire. Resigning Risto, getting very little for G and trading for DeAngelo were all back breakers, and will set this franchise back for years now! My only hope is this coming season is a complete disaster and the Flyers once again can luck into a top 5 pick.
- jd250

This is incorrect. The Flyers had no issue with the cap cost for Gaudreau nor did they have an issue with his size or his age. What they had issue with was the cost to move JVR.

Do you realize that the trades that you lauded and defended to the death for Ellis and Ristolainen are big reasons for the cap mismanagement that you now claim is the last straw?

Fletcher did not get little for Giroux. He got a top prospect and a first round pick.

That is you opinion. JG said the Flyers told him the day before free agency they were out.

So my opinion is they didn’t want him. Had they not signed the 3 free agents the money was there. Not rehashing it again. You disagree.
- furio16

So you are saying Fletch didn't have a very good idea of what it would take to move JVR THE DAY BEFORE free agency started? Do you think he wasn't working the phones and gauging interest until July 13Th?

Comon

That is you opinion. JG said the Flyers told him the day before free agency they were out.

So my opinion is they didn’t want him. Had they not signed the 3 free agents the money was there. Not rehashing it again. You disagree.
- furio16

They were out because they couldn't make a deal to their liking to create the cap space. Not because they didn't want him. If they didn't want him. They wouldn't have explored and tried to make the cap space. Fletcher mistakenly thought he could add DeAngelo and move JVR to add Gaudreau. He was wrong and he boxed himself in.

So you are saying Fletch didn't have a very good idea of what it would take to move JVR THE DAY BEFORE free agency started? Do you think he wasn't working the phones and gauging interest until July 13Th?

Comon
- MBFlyerfan

Exactly. There is no doubt that they wanted Gaudreau.

Matthew Tkachuk. One hundred plus points in a season. Thirty to fourth goals each season. Young. One of the best agitators in the league. Future captain.

Now I understand if anyone wouldn’t want him. I don’t think he’s the draw that stirs the drink on a line but definitely a huge compliment. I would definitely trade one of Konency or Farabee along with Florida’s first round pick (even though we’re thin on picks). Does trading for Tkachuk look as bad after this season when JvR is off the books? Maybe being the same age as Frost could help Frost out?

Bad idea I’m sure but just a thought.

They were out because they couldn't make a deal to their liking to create the cap space. Not because they didn't want him. If they didn't want him. They wouldn't have explored and tried to make the cap space. Fletcher mistakenly thought he could add DeAngelo and move JVR to add Gaudreau. He was wrong and he boxed himself in.
- MJL

Fletcher's main problem was that he painted himself into a corner. The teams KNEW they had him over a barrel and weren't going to let him down. Whatever cliche you want to throw out there.

Sure Chuck, we will take JVR off your hands for minimal pain out of the kindness of our hearts so you can sign the top free agent in the league.

I think Chuck actually believed this would happen. He probably told Dave Scott, yeah we may have to include the Florida 1st round pick in 2024 but that is ok, we will have Johnny Hockey.

Teams said, um no, we want your first for the Bedard draft or no deal

Chuck says, but no, that is a good pick we need that, and I told my owner you would take the 2024 pick. Please help me!

Fletcher's main problem was that he painted himself into a corner. The teams KNEW they had him over a barrel and weren't going to let him down. Whatever cliche you want to throw out there.

Sure Chuck, we will take JVR off your hands for minimal pain out of the kindness of our hearts so you can sign the top free agent in the league.

I think Chuck actually believed this would happen. He probably told Dave Scott, yeah we may have to include the Florida 1st round pick in 2024 but that is ok, we will have Johnny Hockey.

Teams said, um no, we want your first for the Bedard draft or no deal

Chuck says, but no, that is a good pick we need that, and I told my owner you would take the 2024 pick. Please help me!
- MBFlyerfan

I agree. Pure incompetence.

Exactly. There is no doubt that they wanted Gaudreau.
- MJL

Do you think Clarke or Holmgren would have let JG walk?

Do you think Clarke or Holmgren would have let JG walk?
- furio16

I don't think so. But, and I can't believe I am defending Chuck here, I think they WOULD have included the 2023 first to do it.

That would have been a mistake. But both of them had a history of giving away high draft picks like candy.

I think Chuck misjudged what would be the asking price for JVR.

new blob

Do you think Clarke or Holmgren would have let JG walk?
- furio16

I don't think so.

Nothing to do with cap management. They made a choice they didn’t want him; if they did then he would be here.
- furio16

do you have any doubt that if the Flyers had cap space they would have signed JG?

This is incorrect. The Flyers had no issue with the cap cost for Gaudreau nor did they have an issue with his size or his age. What they had issue with was the cost to move JVR.

Do you realize that the trades that you lauded and defended to the death for Ellis and Ristolainen are big reasons for the cap mismanagement that you now claim is the last straw?

Fletcher did not get little for Giroux. He got a top prospect and a first round pick.
- MJL

We'll see what Tippet turns out to be. A late 1st round pick in 2024 and a 3rd round pick was not enough

That's simply not true in my opinion. If it was, they wouldn't have tried to move JVR to make the cap space. Fletcher thought he would be able to do that and misjudged the market. They absolutely wanted him but just weren't willing to pay the price in total.
- MJL

True mostly, but CF looked at the cost tom move JVR and others (Provy, TK) and decided against clearing space for JG, he decided not to, forced not to is accurate.

We'll see what Tippet turns out to be. A late 1st round pick in 2024 and a 3rd round pick was not enough
- jd250

In your opinion but you have no basis for that. Myself and numerous others told you repeatedly what the level of return was going to be before the trade was made.