I don't think he is incapable of starting in the NHL. I just think some AHL time would be better. However I also think that training camp and pre season should be a legit competition. So if he outplays Braun. Then he should get the spot.
I think the Flyers have a defensive issue though on the right side if Ellis isn't going to play. Braun helps with that issue.
- MJL

We both know there is very little chance he starts over Braun even if he outplays him; none.

Yes they have issues though rather let Torts teach him and learn. Braun or no Braun results won’t change. Take the upside Attard offers. He falters send him down.

You know what? You’re right. Inserting Ronnie Attard on opening night does sound like the Flyers way of developing young players.
- SuperSchennBros

Weren’t you also writing off Cates earlier?

Weren’t you also writing off Cates earlier?
- furio16

I’m not impressed by any of the Flyers prospects at the moment but I’m glad both Attard and Cates were able to rise to the occasion when the games didn’t matter anymore and the team gave up.

Ratcliffe signs, is his not waiver exempt? The A had a good write up about rookie camp, some talent there

Wrong.

The timeline shows Giroux aging out/nearing the end of his contract.

Older players can be moved out so younger players can take their place. Resign younger players by creating cap space with the removal of an older more expensive player like.....Giroux.

The timeline shows Frost as a player the organization viewed as a possible center to take Giroux's center position.

The timeline is connected to the 'rating' of a player. Prospects age out and are moved out via trade, not resigned. So the next generation of prospects can climb the ladder and be given a chance.

For example: Goodbye Myers, hello York, Attard, Zumula.

The next generation is moving in. And so far, they are not good enough. Frost is included in this.

Frost still has a chance to make noise this season. IT's his for the taking.
- Captain_Ahab

Giroux aging and moving out has nothing to do with fans thinking that he is a replacement for Giroux. You can't seem to understand that in that context, that means that fans view him as having the potential to replace Giroux as a player

Any player who plays the same position by your standard can be viewed as a replacement. In terms of fans overrating a player, it doesn't add up.

A timeline of when a player is aging and another player is entering the league has nothing to do with how fans rate a player. Or look at a player in terms of his potential in how good he can be.

You attempted to call out fans with uninformed view. Which you have a track record of. I called you on it and showed how poorly thought out it was. Including not considering that Giroux has been playing LW for like 4 seasons. End of story.

I’m not impressed by any of the Flyers prospects at the moment but I’m glad both Attard and Cates were able to rise to the occasion when the games didn’t matter anymore and the team gave up.
- SuperSchennBros

They did their jobs when called upon.

What expectations did you have for them both?

Ratcliffe signs, is his not waiver exempt? The A had a good write up about rookie camp, some talent there
- wcorvette

He has to clear waivers if sent down.

We both know there is very little chance he starts over Braun even if he outplays him; none.

Yes they have issues though rather let Torts teach him and learn. Braun or no Braun results won’t change. Take the upside Attard offers. He falters send him down.
- furio16

Unfortunately that's probably true. A lot of times, a young player doesn't just have to have an edge but he has to substantially out play a vet. I just like to see it as a legit competition for ice time but that's not always the case.

Unfortunately that's probably true. A lot of times, a young player doesn't just have to have an edge but he has to substantially out play a vet. I just like to see it as a legit competition for ice time but that's not always the case.
- MJL

Bingo substantially out play the key word. Mind boggling really.

They did their jobs when called upon.

What expectations did you have for them both?
- furio16

To not start the season in the NHL. If we’re lucky enough to enter the season healthy, there likely won’t be a spot open for either player long term. At the moment if Cates wins a spot, it’s because Farabee will miss time, not because he’s seen as a regular.

Ratcliffe is not officially signed
- SuperSchennBros

I heard a one year 2 way contract. AAV 800k+.

To not start the season in the NHL. If we’re lucky enough to enter the season healthy, there likely won’t be a spot open for either player long term. At the moment if Cates wins a spot, it’s because Farabee will miss time, not because he’s seen as a regular.
- SuperSchennBros

Unless he has a horrendous camp Cates 100% should be starting in the NHL. Seeing how poor the Flyers are run he likely won’t.

So Cates and Attard have no long term future with the Flyers?

I heard a one year 2 way contract. AAV 800k+.
- Pelle31Forever

That word was suppose to be “now”, not “not”

Unless he has a horrendous camp Cates 100% should be starting in the NHL. Seeing how poor the Flyers are run he likely won’t.

So Cates and Attard have no long term future with the Flyers?
- furio16

Did Shayne Gostisbehere have a long term future with the Flyers?

I’m not so sure the Flyers hold true compilation in camp. I can’t remember the last time they did. The Flyers are more like an organization that fills holes with trades and signings. It’s normally as the season goes on when they give call ups opportunities, as they trip and fall over guys that might actually stick. Farabee. JvR. Laughton and Deslauriers cover left wing. Attard I doubt will play ahead of Braun who might actually have to cover the top pair again this season if DeAngelo isn’t good enough. Do you need more explanation?

Did Shayne Gostisbehere have a long term future with the Flyers?

I’m not so sure the Flyers hold true compilation in camp. I can’t remember the last time they did. The Flyers are more like an organization that fills holes with trades and signings. It’s normally as the season goes on when they give call ups opportunities, as they trip and fall over guys that might actually stick. Farabee. JvR. Laughton and Deslauriers cover left wing. Attard I doubt will play ahead of Braun who might actually have to cover the top pair again this season if DeAngelo isn’t good enough. Do you need more explanation?
- SuperSchennBros

What does Ghost have to do with the statement you made about Cates and Attard?

No need to answer as my own fault for responding to you.

What does Ghost have to do with the statement you made about Cates and Attard?

No need to answer as my own fault for responding to you.
- furio16

Actually the conversation was originally about Attard and you magically brought up Cates as an argument, which didn’t have anything do with the conversation.

I think I’ve made my point pretty clear step by step.

What about Attard’s play last season says he should play over a proven NHLer in Justin Braun?
- SuperSchennBros

Agreed. Braun is a guy that can hold down the fort. Attard can benefit from some time in the AHL. He has a future no doubt. But signing Braun means he can stay down and work his way up

Agreed. Braun is a guy that can hold down the fort. Attard can benefit from some time in the AHL. He has a future no doubt. But signing Braun means he can stay down and work his way up
- peesinwind

Not to mention, I don’t think Justin Braun is here just to be a 6th or 7th defenseman. I think Braun is here as insurance for the top pair, as he has been the passed two seasons.

If the Devils wind up with Tkachuk with everything else they’ve got god damn

I heard a one year 2 way contract. AAV 800k+.
- Pelle31Forever

Capfreindly has it as one way.

That word was suppose to be “now”, not “not”
- SuperSchennBros

My bad.

If the Devils wind up with Tkachuk with everything else they’ve got god damn
- hereticpride

You realize they’d have to give up a ton to get him . IMO it would be a bad move for them. Price to get him and a $10M contract is way too much.

Capfreindly has it as one way.

- MJL

Interesting. Perhaps I read it wrong.

Wrong.

Frost was viewed as a center who could hopefully replace Giroux as he ages out, moves to wing, nears end of contract. Patrick was also viewed as a center who could replace Giroux as well.

Frost was never viewed as a bottom 6 forward as his style of play does not fit on the bottom 6. This is proven by Frost and the organization working on his backcheck 200 ft game that is needed at the NHL level. If he can't make it as a top 6 then this improvement will be critical to play at the bottom 6.

Frost is a offensive style of player. Hence why he is viewed as a hopeful top 6. He was never drafted as a checking forward. It's always been offense for him.

Fans do value Frost hence why he is talked about often. Esp. on this website.

Fans did rate/value Frost entering the league as there was lots of hope he would develop into a nice offensive player for the Flyers. The timeline shows Giroux aging out and Frost's arrival made it more important that Frost succeed.

Giroux playing wing is proof Giroux was aging out.
Proves a center position opened up for a prospect like Frost.

Giroux playing wing about 4 years ago matches the timeline of Frost playing for the Flyers 3 years ago.

The timeline matches up. Working in a young player when an older player is starting to age out.

The timeline matches up.

Some fans are obsessed with Frost. In part Hextall drafted him. Over-value of hometeam player.

Also, the Flyers are one of the worst teams in the NHL and some fans are hungry for something positive. I can't blame them for that.

Frost has a chance. I hope he makes noise next season.
- Captain_Ahab

You're completely out of context. You're one of these guys who moves the goal posts when he shown that he made an incorrect statement.

You criticized fans for overrating players and your reasoning was flawed. Fans aren't rating Frost as a player based on who drafted him and they sure as hell don't see him as a replacement for Giroux. Who is one of the franchise greats. You're badly uninformed. It's that simple.

The timeline angle is asinine. Flyers have numerous centers in the organization on the same timeline.

You realize they’d have to give up a ton to get him . IMO it would be a bad move for them. Price to get him and a $10M contract is way too much.
- ClaudeFather

It's a heavy price but if you want to shuck and jive with the likes of Carolina and NYR, I might be inclined to pull the trigger. Depending on the ask that is.