Couts is the one player over the age of 25, 26 they should be hanging on to. It’s the rest of the over 26 club that should have “for sale” signs hung around their necks.

Then again, when Fletcher is the guy making deals, maybe not.
- BiggE

And in a couple years hell maybe by next year you’ll be saying coots contract needs to be moved.

As far as the package Calgary got for tkachuck

1) it’s a bunch of nothing if they don’t sign hubbie

2) even if they sign hubbie he’ll be entering 30’s and is he a star surefire hall of homer? I say no. Maybe he gets there. He’s a really good player. Sort of like coots in his own way obvious in different ways.

3) you can’t sign those deals in todays nhl cap world because of the problems in not to distant future

Now that Laine is back in Columbus (apparently they have no problem signing a player that pushes them way over the cap) I think they are better than the Flyers for sure. I am not sold on NJ, but even so, the Flyers will have a tough time with them also. In the end, there is little hope for the Flyers this year, that is why it would have been much better to just save the cap space, accumulate draft capital, play the kids for a season, draft high in the 2023 draft and have a big offseason after that.

And BTW, for those who want to say I am late to the party here in terms of criticizing Fletcher, I told you all multiple times that if Fletcher did not do what was best for this franchise in this offseason, which IMO was predicated on patience, I would lambaste him, and that is exactly what I am doing now. I had no problem with the Ellis trade, because unlike some, I had no way of foreseeing how bad Ellis's condition was. Kudos to that crack Flyers medical staff for clearing him and thus consummating the trade! Risto was never on my radar but I was willing to be open-minded and give him a chance, but it was clear after watching him that he was not worth the money the Flyers paid to resign him, it was a desperation move from a GM with no plan! The other moves were meant to be depth signings, but Ellis being out completely screwed that up. But after the 2022 trade deadline debacle and this off season, there is just no defending what is clearly and incompetent GM who is just winging it out of desperation!
- jd250

What you fail to realize or accept, is that your fellating over chuckles past moves are the EXACT reason the team is in the state that is in today.

Why did Poile give away a "top tier" d-man in ellis? Could it be since he became an NHL regular he has missed 22% of games? Or that he is at the age when generally healthy d-man start to break down?

For most of the season, you told all of us on this board that rr brought an element that the Flyers desperately needed, and his poor play resulted from multiple coaches on bad buffalo teams. You were fine with the costs associated with acquiring him, and once you realized that he is not a good d-man, you started to complain about the contract he signed.

You are a clown and a fraud like your boy chuckles

Chuck is taking the same approach as the prior regime. It will not work in any way.

Scott seeing it didn’t work yet still allowing it again is pure stupidity. Can every person in this organization be on board with this approach? Does anyone speak up? If they do would love to know the response they get back.

Pick a course for better or worse. The middle of the road approach will leave you exactly their; middle of the road at best.

As far as the package Calgary got for tkachuck

1) it’s a bunch of nothing if they don’t sign hubbie

2) even if they sign hubbie he’ll be entering 30’s and is he a star surefire hall of homer? I say no. Maybe he gets there. He’s a really good player. Sort of like coots in his own way obvious in different ways.

3) you can’t sign those deals in todays nhl cap world because of the problems in not to distant future
- Stayin alive

they can sign and flip both at the deadline

Coots will come back healthy and he will play really good hockey till he is 34-35, then dip a little CAP will start to rise again, as long as he gets back to form, there will be chances to move him

they can sign and flip both at the deadline
- wcorvette

They could rebuild and trade both before the season even starts. While they could have sweet bidding war for both at the TDL, there’s always the risk of an injury. Both players’ cap is very movable.

Coots will come back healthy and he will play really good hockey till he is 34-35, then dip a little CAP will start to rise again, as long as he gets back to form, there will be chances to move him
- wcorvette

Hahahahahahahahahahaah k. Dip from what? His 2 76 point career seasons a few years ago? Newsflash he’s been slipping. And missing more games. And this notion of the cap rising to help with the problem is dumbest arguement ever.

Think about it logically what does the cap go up normally? Or even if you somehow get lucky and say the cap goes up like really good years for multiple years in a row. What does it go up? A couple million at most? Even say for some ungodly reason it went up 3mil every year over next 8 years.


How many contracts gonna need this magical cap rising to help bail them out ?

Jvr
Ellis
Coots
Hayes
Atkinson
Tony d
Nd
On and on and on

When you have basically everyone being paid too much for what and where there slotted and it’s divided out the cap rising doesn’t even enter the equation to help.

It should never be used as part of a contract or team cap structure.


Consider it a gift to help like petty cash

They could rebuild and trade both before the season even starts. While they could have sweet bidding war for both at the TDL, there’s always the risk of an injury. Both players’ cap is very movable.
- arichardson22

Sooooo trade at deadline for assets? Expiring contract…. What’s that gonna add to the package?

I guess they could get something to add to the original deal.

That would probably be best case scenario

1) you can get vet to do same reasons you listed for having no issue with the coots contract for a lot less $ and term. Yes coots does and will bring those qualities. But it’s a horrendous contract.


- stayinalive

Extremely doubtful that you can get a #1 two way center with Selke level checking ability that makes every player he plays with better for a lot less money and term. I'm open to suggestions but it seems to me that you are unaware of the qualities that Couturier brings.

2) in the new nhl NO ONE entering age 30 should be signed to a 7 or 8 contract. Especially a big money contract.



3) the obvious exception is complete star player and surefire hall of famer. And that doesn’t mean borderline really good might be.


- stayinalive

This is your opinion I guess but it is not one that is shared by the "new" NHL.

4) philly needs to get ahead like other teams in paying these type players younger for the term instead paying mid range that takes them just past Fa years then getting into position of big deal at age approaching 30.

5) it also has to be noted star players are working deals to maximize at earlier age and giving them option at Fa year. Matthews for example or tkachuck



- stayinalive

The player has leverage also. The Flyers already had Couturier on a bargain contract of 6 years at a 4.3M a year deal. They already had a deal paying him at term before the current contract. Have to understand the NHL contract market.

6) with all that said I have zero faith in Philly to identify these star players. Or their ability to identify players that won’t win them cup yet still overpay well into 30’s hampering their cap flexibility.
- stayinalive

Couturier is not the player that is hampering their cap flexibility

As far as the package Calgary got for tkachuck

1) it’s a bunch of nothing if they don’t sign hubbie

2) even if they sign hubbie he’ll be entering 30’s and is he a star surefire hall of homer? I say no. Maybe he gets there. He’s a really good player. Sort of like coots in his own way obvious in different ways.

3) you can’t sign those deals in todays nhl cap world because of the problems in not to distant future
- Stayin alive

Actually the problems are happening now with the flat cap. Revenue is going to continue to increase and the cap is going to jump up. You absolutely can sign those deals in todays NHL for the right players. Huberdeau is one of those players. It also depends on where your team is at and individual situation it has. You're making absolute statements and not understanding that each team has it's own situation as well as looking at each player individually.

Chuck is taking the same approach as the prior regime. It will not work in any way.

Scott seeing it didn’t work yet still allowing it again is pure stupidity. Can every person in this organization be on board with this approach? Does anyone speak up? If they do would love to know the response they get back.

Pick a course for better or worse. The middle of the road approach will leave you exactly their; middle of the road at best.
- furio16

Just for clarification, are you saying that Fletcher is taking the same approach as the team did under Hextall?

Hahahahahahahahahahaah k. Dip from what? His 2 76 point career seasons a few years ago? Newsflash he’s been slipping. And missing more games. And this notion of the cap rising to help with the problem is dumbest arguement ever.

Think about it logically what does the cap go up normally? Or even if you somehow get lucky and say the cap goes up like really good years for multiple years in a row. What does it go up? A couple million at most? Even say for some ungodly reason it went up 3mil every year over next 8 years.


How many contracts gonna need this magical cap rising to help bail them out ?

Jvr
Ellis
Coots
Hayes
Atkinson
Tony d
Nd
On and on and on

When you have basically everyone being paid too much for what and where there slotted and it’s divided out the cap rising doesn’t even enter the equation to help.

It should never be used as part of a contract or team cap structure.


Consider it a gift to help like petty cash
- Stayin alive

Couturier has not been slipping as a player. He had 4 strong seasons in a row before last year. Which was caused by an injury. By all reports he is fine and has been skating since the spring.

Just for clarification, are you saying that Fletcher is taking the same approach as the team did under Hextall?
- MJL

Do you see him doing something different?

He isn’t rebuilding and he isn’t trading youth. Adding younger type vets. He isn’t trading his older players nor building around them. He is doing it half assed.

Both are taking a middle of the road approach. Though I am sure your disagree.

Extremely doubtful that you can get a #1 two way center with Selke level checking ability that makes every player he plays with better for a lot less money and term. I'm open to suggestions but it seems to me that you are unaware of the qualities that Couturier brings.




This is your opinion I guess but it is not one that is shared by the "new" NHL.




The player has leverage also. The Flyers already had Couturier on a bargain contract of 6 years at a 4.3M a year deal. They already had a deal paying him at term before the current contract. Have to understand the NHL contract market.




Couturier is not the player that is hampering their cap flexibility
- MJL

I said the other day that players get paid for what they’ve done. Most disagree and believe players get paid for what they’re “projected” to do. Well you can only project what a player is going to do based on what they’ve done. Sean Couturier is a two time Selke trophy winner. I wanna say he’s been nominated for it at least 3 times in his career. He’s also a two time 30 goal scorer along with two 70 plus point seasons. He’s getting paid respectably in my opinion.

I feel like it’s always the case where a player does his best work before seeing their greatest payday unless you see among the cream of the crop.

Hahahahahahahahahahaah k. Dip from what? His 2 76 point career seasons a few years ago? Newsflash he’s been slipping. And missing more games. And this notion of the cap rising to help with the problem is dumbest arguement ever.

Think about it logically what does the cap go up normally? Or even if you somehow get lucky and say the cap goes up like really good years for multiple years in a row. What does it go up? A couple million at most? Even say for some ungodly reason it went up 3mil every year over next 8 years.


How many contracts gonna need this magical cap rising to help bail them out ?

Jvr
Ellis
Coots
Hayes
Atkinson
Tony d
Nd
On and on and on

When you have basically everyone being paid too much for what and where there slotted and it’s divided out the cap rising doesn’t even enter the equation to help.

It should never be used as part of a contract or team cap structure.


Consider it a gift to help like petty cash
- Stayin alive

staying focused on my comment about Coots

Since 17-18, he has played 82, 80, 69, 45 and 42...19-20 N 20-21 was only 68 games and 56 games, this past season only playing 29. With covid etc, hardly paints a picture of health sliding. over the 4 season prior to last season averaging about ,90 points a game or a pace around 74 points.

Yea, stand by my point, he will come back healthy and play well, he will have value and there will be chances to move him.

Yes, way to many big contracts, mainly Hayes and Ellis, but they can clear them up in the net 3 seasons, build and come out the other side.

Sooooo trade at deadline for assets? Expiring contract…. What’s that gonna add to the package?

I guess they could get something to add to the original deal.

That would probably be best case scenario
- Stayin alive

what do you mean whats that going to add to the package. you absolutely need to consider whatever assets they can recoup if they moved JH and weegar as part of the MT return.

i dont think thats the route theyll go. i think theyll want to be competitive with those players this year and then figure it out later. but if they chose to liquidate those two players, the return would be pretty substantial. probably looking at a collective return pushing 4 first round picks or so in equivalent value.

can you imagine sitting in the heat for this phillies series. (frank)ing pathetic doesnt even begin to describe it.

Do you see him doing something different?

He isn’t rebuilding and he isn’t trading youth. Adding younger type vets. He isn’t trading his older players nor building around them. He is doing it half assed.

Both are taking a middle of the road approach. Though I am sure your disagree.
- furio16

Well yea. Fletcher has traded a bunch of draft picks. Taken on veteran players with high cap hits and capped the team out. Don't see how that is equal to the approach that Hextall had. Fletcher's approach is not middle of the road. He's been aggressively trying to win every season.

Over under on how many days this dead horse of a trade is discussed here.
Some of the absolute brilliance of looking up a dead dogs A$$ on a Sunday amazes me.
Fight on armchair basement dwelling GMs, your words here will change absolutely nothing.
Enjoy your Sunday.