The tax thing is wildly overstated. First off, Florida isn't tax-free. It's state tax free, but the American government still gets its giant cut. Second, if you hire a tax lawyer, they can mitigate a lot of the differences. Some of the basic ones are getting into RCA can save you 50 percent or more on the tax you pay. If you have an all bonus contract like Tkachuk just signed and maintain a residence in Florida, you pay the tax in Florida. That also gets around all the pesky tax bills from road games. In Canada, bonuses are also only taxed at 15%. So you can bet if Huberdeau is staying, he'll be getting an all bonus contract.

The no state tax thing is definitely a thing, but it's not the massive thing people make it out to be. It's more of a tiebreaker.
- Squeaky

All fair points, but it's still FL to Alberta. I say that as Buffalo guy. I'd be disappointed to get traded from FL to Buffalo too lol

Word on the street is you are a moron and don't know what you are talking about, post a link stating other teams are already calling the Flames.
- FlamesFan1230

Been multiple sources. It’s all over the internet.

All fair points, but it's still FL to Alberta. I say that as Buffalo guy. I'd be disappointed to get traded from FL to Buffalo too lol
- DanielEtvs

At least he's Canadian and single.

Apparently, Huberdeau isn't too happy about how things went down. Not necessarily about moving to Calgary, but he felt they were in the middle of contract negotiations and was expecting an offer but instead got the trade call.

The tax thing is wildly overstated. First off, Florida isn't tax-free. It's state tax free, but the American government still gets its giant cut. Second, if you hire a tax lawyer, they can mitigate a lot of the differences. Some of the basic ones are getting into RCA can save you 50 percent or more on the tax you pay. If you have an all bonus contract like Tkachuk just signed and maintain a residence in Florida, you pay the tax in Florida. That also gets around all the pesky tax bills from road games. In Canada, bonuses are also only taxed at 15%. So you can bet if Huberdeau is staying, he'll be getting an all bonus contract.

The no state tax thing is definitely a thing, but it's not the massive thing people make it out to be. It's more of a tiebreaker.
- Squeaky

You also pay state tax as an athlete for the away games you play (and the 40ish states that still have it)

Flames D just got a whole lot tougher to play against.
Hanifin Andersson
Weegar Tanev
Zadorov Meloche/Mackey

Kylington could be trade bait, what happens to Valimaki?
Not a bad problem to have.

Huberdeau will now be known in Calgary as Jonathan Hockey! Give him #13
- K-man25

At least all I would have to do is buy a H, U, B, E , and cut off the D.

At least he's Canadian and single.
- Squeaky

Maybe he saw pics of the Cowgirls behind the bench during the playoffs. Might want to stay now.

Might as well since he’s a UFA next year and likely to (frank) off outta Calgary.
- HonkyTonkMan

It will be a real shame when the Kane arbitration send Kane back to SJ. Will have to give up something major to take half his salary to get him back to EDM. Assumiing they don't trade him to some other team.

Huberdeau will now be known in Calgary as Jonathan Hockey! Give him #13
- K-man25

It's going to be Matty Hockey ! Mathew Phillips just re-signed, going to make everyone forget about Johnny this year. Slap no. 13 on him ! Seriously though, maybe this year they give him some games see if he can doing anything with the big club.

All fair points, but it's still FL to Alberta. I say that as Buffalo guy. I'd be disappointed to get traded from FL to Buffalo too lol
- DanielEtvs

He can buy a huge house and retire there if he wants. He got traded to a pretty good team that has a chance to win. Plus he's in a contract year so there's no time to think about any of that.

It's going to be Matty Hockey ! Mathew Phillips just re-signed, going to make everyone forget about Johnny this year. Slap no. 13 on him ! Seriously though, maybe this year they give him some games see if he can doing anything with the big club.
- tincup

I watched for years in junior, high end talent! Would love to see him get a shot but I don’t think he’s Sutters favourite.

It will be a real shame when the Kane arbitration send Kane back to SJ. Will have to give up something major to take half his salary to get him back to EDM. Assumiing they don't trade him to some other team.
- Traveldude

Except that isn’t what is going to happen. Even if Kane wins the oilers were already told how it will be handled. SJ would get a cap hit equal to the extra contract he had. There may be a draft pick given to SJ but that’s it.

The tax thing is wildly overstated. First off, Florida isn't tax-free. It's state tax free, but the American government still gets its giant cut. Second, if you hire a tax lawyer, they can mitigate a lot of the differences. Some of the basic ones are getting into RCA can save you 50 percent or more on the tax you pay. If you have an all bonus contract like Tkachuk just signed and maintain a residence in Florida, you pay the tax in Florida. That also gets around all the pesky tax bills from road games. In Canada, bonuses are also only taxed at 15%. So you can bet if Huberdeau is staying, he'll be getting an all bonus contract.

The no state tax thing is definitely a thing, but it's not the massive thing people make it out to be. It's more of a tiebreaker.
- Squeaky

This is pretty good. I'd also just want to piggyback on this and mention Florida has a high cost of living, especially real estate so it isn't like he was saving piles of cash. Likely had a boat too down there and those things aren't cheap.

Here you go fuckhead.

David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
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2h
As I mentioned a few minutes ago on
@SiriusXMNHL
, some teams have already inquired about Huberdeau, wondering if Flames will consider flipping him.


Do you ever get tired of getting put in your place??
- TurdFergeson

Enjoy the ban moron.

All fair points, but it's still FL to Alberta. I say that as Buffalo guy. I'd be disappointed to get traded from FL to Buffalo too lol
- DanielEtvs

Thank you Squeaky. Have heard the tax deal ad nauseam and the economics of it simply are not enough to make you play for a Florida team. The sunshine, beaches and hotties that reside there is a totally different thing. That would do it for me.

The tax thing is wildly overstated. First off, Florida isn't tax-free. It's state tax free, but the American government still gets its giant cut. Second, if you hire a tax lawyer, they can mitigate a lot of the differences. Some of the basic ones are getting into RCA can save you 50 percent or more on the tax you pay. If you have an all bonus contract like Tkachuk just signed and maintain a residence in Florida, you pay the tax in Florida. That also gets around all the pesky tax bills from road games. In Canada, bonuses are also only taxed at 15%. So you can bet if Huberdeau is staying, he'll be getting an all bonus contract.

The no state tax thing is definitely a thing, but it's not the massive thing people make it out to be. It's more of a tiebreaker.
- Squeaky

Jesus Chr1st! The "tax thing" you speak of is absolutely NOT overstated. Pull your head out of your arse man, these things you're posting are nonsense and EVERY NHLer is concerned about taxes, actually it's every athlete across all sports. And yes, they all want to live in FLA, for the significantly lower tax burden. You seriously cannot think that the USA has higher tax rates than Canada. Wow.

Also, not a chance Huberdeau is staying in Cowtown.

Jesus Chr1st! The "tax thing" you speak of is absolutely NOT overstated. Pull your head out of your arse man, these things you're posting are nonsense and EVERY NHLer is concerned about taxes, actually it's every athlete across all sports. And yes, they all want to live in FLA, for the significantly lower tax burden. You seriously cannot think that the USA has higher tax rates than Canada. Wow.

Also, not a chance Huberdeau is staying in Cowtown.
- JLO961

He trains in Calgary in the summer...its not as far fetched as you think

His IG profile is already him in a Flames jersey

Jesus Chr1st! The "tax thing" you speak of is absolutely NOT overstated. Pull your head out of your arse man, these things you're posting are nonsense and EVERY NHLer is concerned about taxes, actually it's every athlete across all sports. And yes, they all want to live in FLA, for the significantly lower tax burden. You seriously cannot think that the USA has higher tax rates than Canada. Wow.

Also, not a chance Huberdeau is staying in Cowtown.
- JLO961

So you're just going to ignore the last part I wrote?

I never said the USA had higher tax rates than Canada, but it's not as straightforward as looking at the tax rates and applying that number to their cap hit. There are lots of ways to minimize the tax burden. Athletes have no problem playing in California, Massachusetts, NJ, and NY even though they pay significantly higher taxes.

FiveThirtyEight did a study on if teams playing in states with no state tax had a competitive advantage and found no correlation between winning championships and a lower tax rate. If paying lower taxes was as important as you're saying, that shouldn't be the case.

No one seemed outraged Tre offered Johnny 10.5 x 8 to stay in Calgary. Then we "lost him for nothing". Nope, we gained 10.5 x 8. And Johnny signed for 9.75 x 7. Chucky signed in FLA for 9.5 x 8

I assume Tre may offer Huby Johnny's money, maybe 9.75 x 8, heavy on late year signing bonuses. They are born 2 months apart and both had 115 points. Sure, Huby's deal starts a year later as he has 1 year left on current deal. And offer an extension to Weegar too.

The great news for the Flames is that any new big money contracts kick in next year after 12 million frees up from Lucic and Mony. And we have the cap space this year to finish tidying up loose ends now, and have some trade options etc.

I'm loving it! IMO our team is better off today than 3 weeks ago....

So you're just going to ignore the last part I wrote?

I never said the USA had higher tax rates than Canada, but it's not as straightforward as looking at the tax rates and applying that number to their cap hit. There are lots of ways to minimize the tax burden. Athletes have no problem playing in California, Massachusetts, NJ, and NY even though they pay significantly higher taxes.

FiveThirtyEight did a study on if teams playing in states with no state tax had a competitive advantage and found no correlation between winning championships and a lower tax rate. If paying lower taxes was as important as you're saying, that shouldn't be the case.
- Squeaky

Looking strictly at championships makes the sample size way too small. Individual management styles can make up for it but it's still a factor. Especially with a salary cap.

No one seemed outraged Tre offered Johnny 10.5 x 8 to stay in Calgary. Then we "lost him for nothing". Nope, we gained 10.5 x 8. And Johnny signed for 9.75 x 7. Chucky signed in FLA for 9.5 x 8

I assume Tre may offer Huby Johnny's money, maybe 9.75 x 8, heavy on late year signing bonuses. They are born 2 months apart and both had 115 points. Sure, Huby's deal starts a year later as he has 1 year left on current deal. And offer an extension to Weegar too.

The great news for the Flames is that any new big money contracts kick in next year after 12 million frees up from Lucic and Mony. And we have the cap space this year to finish tidying up loose ends now, and have some trade options etc.

I'm loving it! IMO our team is better off today than 3 weeks ago....
- plett25

I have come to agree with this view. And who knows, they may ne better suited for a run this way. The last core couldn't get it done in the playoffs and no sign they ever would (Johnny is small, MT seems a bit distracted)

No one seemed outraged Tre offered Johnny 10.5 x 8 to stay in Calgary. Then we "lost him for nothing". Nope, we gained 10.5 x 8. And Johnny signed for 9.75 x 7. Chucky signed in FLA for 9.5 x 8

I assume Tre may offer Huby Johnny's money, maybe 9.75 x 8, heavy on late year signing bonuses. They are born 2 months apart and both had 115 points. Sure, Huby's deal starts a year later as he has 1 year left on current deal. And offer an extension to Weegar too.

The great news for the Flames is that any new big money contracts kick in next year after 12 million frees up from Lucic and Mony. And we have the cap space this year to finish tidying up loose ends now, and have some trade options etc.

I'm loving it! IMO our team is better off today than 3 weeks ago....
- plett25

That's right, Calgary is actually in great shape cap wise after this season. They can use that to try to sign Huberdeau and or Weegar or someone else. If they can't, maybe they need to flip one of those players for another pick and or prospect to keep the prospect pool healthy. With the depth on D, maybe Weegar is the one they flip for a prospect/pick.

I have come to agree with this view. And who knows, they may ne better suited for a run this way. The last core couldn't get it done in the playoffs and no sign they ever would (Johnny is small, MT seems a bit distracted)
- FLflames34

Yup, I didn't want to say this part out loud! Imagine if we had spent $20 million on Johnny and Chucky, and then had to water down the team we had this past year and only hope to get better results. They are incredible talents, no doubt... but not on my list of all time favourite Flames. Onwards!!

Yup, I didn't want to say this part out loud! Imagine if we had spent $20 million on Johnny and Chucky, and then had to water down the team we had this past year and only hope to get better results. They are incredible talents, no doubt... but not on my list of all time favourite Flames. Onwards!!
- plett25

In all honesty, I really wanted Johnny to stay. How many years did our PP suck because we had no one capable of setting up in the O zone. Johnny may vanish in playoffs but he can get you to the dance. If we had signed Johnny, I still wanted to trade Chucky because his exit interview in May sounded like a guy going to be a UFA not RFA. Body language told me he wasnt extending longer than the year & was gone. When Johnny left, I thought..oh no... as good as Chucky is, he isnt a player a team builds around, he's more of a important key core piece. Huberdeau & is 85 assists are a testament that he is a possession player like Johnny. So I have no problem giving him Chucky or Johnny type of money. Really hope he signs & stays. I did not expect this. Florida have so many good pieces that I get it, Huberdeau got priced out by guys 3-4 years younger than him. We dont have that luxury. Timing of everything could be real good. Hubs is only 5.9 mill right now & to get him a long term deal in the $9.5 range is 3,6 mill more & Weegar at 3.2 mill now will probably get a new 5-6 year deal at around 6.0 mill if hes as good as we hope & hear. Those two raises will be covered by Monahans contract coming off. As much as I hope he rebounds, Im not holding my breath. But I too think we have a better direction waking up Saturday morning than we did before the trade.