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- FlyerFan3260

I was just about to post this very same thing!

It’s pretty amazing when you see a 24 year old in Tkachuk pass on going “home” to STL to go to Florida because he wants to win. Then you have a 34 year old CC who hasn’t won anything choose to go home over going somewhere to win. Some guys want to win some guys are imposters who just chase that $.
- Fopa21

You should find a new soapbox. Claude does not play here any more. BTW, Ottawa is a much better team than they were. If he wants to go home and try to help them to the next level in the last few years of his career, that sounds like a good thing to me.

It’s pretty amazing when you see a 24 year old in Tkachuk pass on going “home” to STL to go to Florida because he wants to win. Then you have a 34 year old CC who hasn’t won anything choose to go home over going somewhere to win. Some guys want to win some guys are imposters who just chase that $.
- Fopa21

I can't wait to find out what Giroux did to you. You are obsessed guy.

I can't wait to find out what Giroux did to you. You are obsessed guy.
- mickel25

H8rs gonna H8.

Other teams seem to make moves to acquire firsts and additional picks when rebuilding. But yeah, Flyers!

Yep, and the optics now are just great. You are the .01% fan.

By not stocking up draft picks, they greatly reduce the likelihood of a successful rebuild. The idea that with fewer high picks over several years, that will be enough to start developing…? That is like gathering high end supplies that have a shelf life and then realizing you need an architect and a contractor and a foundation and basic supplies and a crew. Try to get all that put together before your high-end items require money and maintenance, if the high-end item even works. Seems backwards.
- NC Flyers Fan

Butt they are not rebuilding in the sense you imply. That was my point. They have a certain floor beneath which they will not demolish because of revenue reasons and that floor is higher than for other rebuilding teams.

That is the reason why they resigned Couturier. It is not uncommon to have a team trade a star player who is just peaking at the wrong time. Alex DeBrincat trade was like that. No one doubts he is a star: he is just a star at the wrong time for that team.

If the Flyers had shown that same clarity of purpose, they would have had those high picks. You believe that the reason their current situation is because of confusion. I humbly disagree. The plan is clear enough when you look at the series of actions. They did not have the resources to get the JG type high attention player. Instead, they got the high attention type coach.

It’s pretty amazing when you see a 24 year old in Tkachuk pass on going “home” to STL to go to Florida because he wants to win. Then you have a 34 year old CC who hasn’t won anything choose to go home over going somewhere to win. Some guys want to win some guys are imposters who just chase that $.
- Fopa21

LOL just stop.

they are not rebuiliding though.
- hello it's me 2050

Who knows? That’s the point.

However, out of curiosity, name another organization who is a non playoff team for three straight seasons including lottery picks, yet is not rebuilding.

Sean Avery and Torts have had a pretty heavy war of words both during and when Avery was let go. Wanting to win is one thing, letting your emotions get out of control and being stubborn is another. Passing off an entire dressing room is unacceptable, which both Avery and DeAngelo have done multiple times.
- SuperSchennBros

Yeah, Avery and Torts hate each other:

“Tortorella has a reputation as a hard-ass, but not if you know him as a player. We used to laugh at him all the time. There was always someone in the dressing room who wanted to take their skate and decapitate him or take their stick and whack him over the head with it. Marion Gaborik despised him with every bone in his body. Even Hank Lundqvist, an even-keeled Swede who was usually in his own world, thought Tortorella was a terrible manager of pro athletes. And he can’t skate and stickhandle a puck at the same time, and he doesn’t realize we don’t take him seriously because of that.”
- Sean Avery

It’s pretty amazing when you see a 24 year old in Tkachuk pass on going “home” to STL to go to Florida because he wants to win. Then you have a 34 year old CC who hasn’t won anything choose to go home over going somewhere to win. Some guys want to win some guys are imposters who just chase that $.
- Fopa21

Winning. Also have no clue what’s he’s thinking. But could easily see the avoidance as to not have to live in dads shadow or deal with the hometown pressure hype attention. He did also get paid and Florida doesn’t have taxes. Will be fun to watch he and barkov and the Tampa battle.

You should find a new soapbox. Claude does not play here any more. BTW, Ottawa is a much better team than they were. If he wants to go home and try to help them to the next level in the last few years of his career, that sounds like a good thing to me.
- iamscore2day

I think Ottawa is going to surprise some people. They had a really good offseason. Their top 6 is pretty damn good with Tkachuk, Norris, Giroux, Debrincat, Stutzle and Batherson. Plus 2 goalies that put up +.910 save percentages last year. Defense is a little suspect outside of Chabot but if Sanderson is the stud that everyone thinks he is, this team could be pretty good.

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So take some of that for what it is worth. Obviously we don't have Seth Jones and Werenski. But it does show that he can adjust his philosophy.
- MBFlyerfan

But how often did Werenski do this Rover thing? I don't remember much of it.

Sanheim has some offensive flair when he turns on the burners and takes the puck to the net himself on occasion. Dangling in open space, not just a pinch. Not saying he is Makar but shades of that. First man in to the goal. That is the kind of thing I almost never see a Torts type player do.

Butt they are not rebuilding in the sense you imply. That was my point. They have a certain floor beneath which they will not demolish because of revenue reasons and that floor is higher than for other rebuilding teams.

That is the reason why they resigned Couturier. It is not uncommon to have a team trade a star player who is just peaking at the wrong time. Alex DeBrincat trade was like that. No one doubts he is a star: he is just a star at the wrong time for that team.

If the Flyers had shown that same clarity of purpose, they would have had those high picks. You believe that the reason their current situation is because of confusion. I humbly disagree. The plan is clear enough when you look at the series of actions. They did not have the resources to get the JG type high attention player. Instead, they got the high attention type coach.
- PT21

The path the flyers are on has no short or long term gain for revenue.

they had the resources to get JG.

Butt they are not rebuilding in the sense you imply. That was my point. They have a certain floor beneath which they will not demolish because of revenue reasons and that floor is higher than for other rebuilding teams.

That is the reason why they resigned Couturier. It is not uncommon to have a team trade a star player who is just peaking at the wrong time. Alex DeBrincat trade was like that. No one doubts he is a star: he is just a star at the wrong time for that team.

If the Flyers had shown that same clarity of purpose, they would have had those high picks. You believe that the reason their current situation is because of confusion. I humbly disagree. The plan is clear enough when you look at the series of actions. They did not have the resources to get the JG type high attention player. Instead, they got the high attention type coach.
- PT21

There is some truth to this but from the news reports Cliff did not run the coach search. Instead, some committee did and he reportedly provided his input. On the player-acquisition side, the decision-making power evidently still rests with Cliff. All this means is that the philosophies seem generally aligned but may not be so in every respect.

H8rs gonna H8.
- iamscore2day

Deniers gona deny. The guy has never cared about winning & it’s even more obvious now than ever but I don’t expect the fanboys to admit it

The path the flyers are on has no short or long term gain for revenue.

they had the resources to get JG.
- hello it's me 2050

Yes, but the long-term planning and consistency of purpose were sorely lacking. Deep down, Cliff does not know what this team needs and he is just reactive and random in his decisions.

Deniers gona deny. The guy has never cared about winning & it’s even more obvious now than ever but I don’t expect the fanboys to admit it
- Fopa21

"Fanboy." LOL

Yes, but the long-term planning and consistency of purpose were sorely lacking. Deep down, Cliff does not know what this team needs and he is just reactive and random in his decisions.
- iamscore2day

It is pure incompetence is my conclusion.

The path the flyers are on has no short or long term gain for revenue.

they had the resources to get JG.
- hello it's me 2050

Why do you say that? Before Covid, the Flyers were alternating playoff appearances and 1st round exits with non-appearances. And drawing near capacity crowds. Look at attendance figures 12-13 to 19-20.

The evidence is there that appearances of competitiveness is enough to get revenue.

To get JG, they would have had to move salary. To move salary, they would have to had to part with firsts, likely, as sweeteners. I am glad they didn't do that. Smalll mercies, you know?

It is pure incompetence is my conclusion.
- hello it's me 2050

Nope, PT says “The plan is clear enough when you look at the series of actions.” Clearly then, 99.9% of us are just not seeing what must be so obviously there. Yet the optics are better this way.

There is some truth to this but from the news reports Cliff did not run the coach search. Instead, some committee did and he reportedly provided his input. On the player-acquisition side, the decision-making power evidently still rests with Cliff. All this means is that the philosophies seem generally aligned but may not be so in every respect.
- iamscore2day

Oh I think the revenue constrained rebuilding philosophy comes from Comcast, not CF.

The trend I see is a big company running a sports club the way big companies run most products, aka, enormous emphasis on advertising and revenue and a damage control philosophy in quality.

You don't agree?

It is pure incompetence is my conclusion.
- hello it's me 2050

I agree with that.

Why do you say that? Before Covid, the Flyers were alternating playoff appearances and 1st round exits with non-appearances. And drawing near capacity crowds. Look at attendance figures 12-13 to 19-20.

The evidence is there that appearances of competitiveness is enough to get revenue.

To get JG, they would have had to move salary. To move salary, they would have to had to part with firsts, likely, as sweeteners. I am glad they didn't do that. Smalll mercies, you know?
- PT21

They had the money for JG they choose not to go that route. Why no idea. That is a fact.

Here comes Cliff to say they didnt have the money on 3 2 1.

I am talking the last 2/3 years. The path they are on will only drive people away at some point. At least to me it will. No hope no carrot for a cup.

Oh I think the revenue constrained rebuilding philosophy comes from Comcast, not CF.

The trend I see is a big company running a sports club the way big companies run most products, aka, enormous emphasis on advertising and revenue and a damage control philosophy in quality.

You don't agree?
- PT21

No, they have made an investment and entrusted it to a group of former star players and a corporate guy who relies on those stars too extensively. That group has never understood the new framework of a salary cap and the required discipline of decision-making and are an echo chamber on decision-making. The coach-search structure is the first sign that higher-ups don't like the trends. I also don't understand how a team that is right up against the cap is "revenue-constrained." We are spending the money but in a pitifully misdirected way that also expends important resources (draft picks and prospects) wastefully.

I agree with that.
- iamscore2day

I disagree with this, though I understand I am in a minority and I could be wrong. I see way too many data points along a trend line, behind the smokescreen of the 'Bobby Clarke Crazy Uncle' and 'Chuck Fletcher Polished Nonspeak' smokeshow.

Since you are a long time football fan, you will remember the tragedy of Gang Green years . Behind the Buddy Ryan machismo and the infamous bounty and all that, why didn't they get someone better than Toast Jenkins to play across from Eric Allen? Why not better receivers and better protection for Randoll? Why was Keith Jackson allowed to leave? Why a Milquetoast coach like bumbling Kotite? And of course, why was Reggie allowed to leave? Skinflint Braman is why.

Ultimately, lot of long term team strategy boils down to revenue and willingness to spend/lose money by the owners.

No, they have made an investment and entrusted it to a group of former star players and a corporate guy who relies on those stars too extensively. That group has never understood the new framework of a salary cap and the required discipline of decision-making and are an echo chamber on decision-making. The coach-search structure is the first sign that higher-ups don't like the trends. I also don't understand how a team that is right up against the cap is "revenue-constrained." We are spending the money but in a pitifully misdirected way that also expends important resources (draft picks and prospects) wastefully.
- iamscore2day

By being unwilling to lose the money that they believe they would lose by going into an explicit rebuild. "Revenue constrained" as in unwilling to lose revenue from empty seats.