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Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Aug 16 @ 8:39 AM ET
Reminds me of a Curtis Lazar.
- Octavarium

He seems to have a better grasp on the game than Lazar. Lazar was pretty one dimensional in just skating as fast as he could and either shooting or hitting off the rush and then being lost.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 16 @ 8:53 AM ET
I stand by my earlier statement that Grieg has limited potential NHL upside, and will most likely be a 3rd line player.... but he's certainly found ways to stand out from the 3rd line of a team that's loaded with higher-end talent. He's eating up tough minutes, setting a physical tone, taking hard face-offs, and leading the PK effort. He's also somehow managed to tie Bedard in goal scoring despite having just 8 shots on goal, and been the only member of Team Canada to be named player of the game twice. Pretty much exactly the kind of player you need on your 3rd line to win, so it's good to see those key supporting pieces emerging from the prospect system.
- khawk


Good 3rd lines playing a strong D game against top lines are gold. They are often a critical factor in putting together a deep playoff run. Most kids Grieg's age who have big offensive talents may still take a few years to get to the NHL because they never learned to play a strong defensive game in junior. Defence is often redundant if you dominated puck possession.

Grieg might be different. His defensive game is very good. Maybe he does get called up by Christmas and plays with Pinto.

Sanderson, Pinto and Grieg might all get votes for the Calder. But, more likely, Calder will probably go to 34 year old Michael Bunting who the Leafs will insist is entitled to a do over for rookie of the year.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 16 @ 8:56 AM ET
He seems to have a better grasp on the game than Lazar. Lazar was pretty one dimensional in just skating as fast as he could and either shooting or hitting off the rush and then being lost.
- AdamFrench


Although there is not much physical similarity between Lazar and Grieg the visual prompt for comparison is the amount of time both players go down.

I think you are right about Grieg having so many tools in his kit.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 16 @ 9:13 AM ET
Always been a huge fan of Kadri (hate playing him but love his game).

So, when I see so much Kadri in Grieg's game you know I am unduly influenced by hope on my part.

Pretty similar size coming out of junior. Grieg is 6' and 180lbs. Today, Kadri plays at 6' and 192 lbs. Kadri weighed in at 167 lbs in his draft year.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 16 @ 9:13 AM ET
Drop the puck!
FinnigansAwake
Ottawa Senators
Location: Shawville, QC
Joined: 08.15.2022

Aug 16 @ 10:47 AM ET
Maybe we go back to 96 points being enough to make the playoffs.

It is a doable target for Sens.

- spatso


How much do we think Forsberg overperformed last season? Because even with last year's lineup in front of him he had a winning record. The team earned 48 points in his 44 starts, which is an 89 point pace for the season. Can he and Talbot eek out 7 more points with this year's lineup in front of them? Even without another trade?
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Aug 16 @ 11:46 AM ET
How much do we think Forsberg overperformed last season? Because even with last year's lineup in front of him he had a winning record. The team earned 48 points in his 44 starts, which is an 89 point pace for the season. Can he and Talbot eek out 7 more points with this year's lineup in front of them? Even without another trade?
- FinnigansAwake


Good question. The improved offense alone should help take pressure of the goaltenders, but they'll need the D to do some heavy lifting.

The East will be much improved, and they'll still need to bump one of the eight teams from last year.

A couple of teams with aging star filled cores, who could drop, or could put out another great season.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 16 @ 4:15 PM ET
So, Sens and Yotes talking Chychrun again this week.

The ask is 2 1sts, a prospect and Zaitsev.

The prospect is easy if it is either Thompson or JBD. Including Zaitsev is a bonus feature that works in favour of the Sens.

So, it comes down to the two firsts. Could you change one of those firsts for another good prospect from out of the group that includes Boucher, Jarvente or Sokolov?

I say "yes" to 1st (2023), Thompson, Jarvente and Zaitsev for Chychrun.

Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Aug 16 @ 6:10 PM ET
So, Sens and Yotes talking Chychrun again this week.

The ask is 2 1sts, a prospect and Zaitsev.

The prospect is easy if it is either Thompson or JBD. Including Zaitsev is a bonus feature that works in favour of the Sens.

So, it comes down to the two firsts. Could you change one of those firsts for another good prospect from out of the group that includes Boucher, Jarvente or Sokolov?

I say "yes" to 1st (2023), Thompson, Jarvente and Zaitsev for Chychrun.

- spatso


This "will they"/"won't they" business with Chychrun is really tiresome. Arizona is clearly asking for something Dorion is reluctant to give up, so it's time to get serious about Plan B. All they really need is a bridging solution at RHD for 1yr/2yrs, who isn't Zaitsev. Dorion should be all over the Flames right now, going after one of their five >$3M/yr D-men. Weegar would be the obvious pick, especially since the Flames have virtually no hope of bringing him back after next year once Huberdeau's contract hits the books. Even if the ask is a 1st round pick +, it's at least not two 1st round picks, plus Thomson.
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Aug 16 @ 6:13 PM ET
This "will they"/"won't they" business with Chychrun is really tiresome. Arizona is clearly asking for something Dorion is reluctant to give up, so it's time to get serious about Plan B. All they really need is a bridging solution at RHD for 1yr/2yrs, who isn't Zaitsev. Dorion should be all over the Flames right now, going after one of their five >$3M/yr D-men. Weegar would be the obvious pick, especially since the Flames have virtually no hope of bringing him back after next year once Huberdeau's contract hits the books. Even if the ask is a 1st round pick +, it's at least not two 1st round picks, plus Thomson.
- khawk


This really is bringing back serious memories of the Duchene trade.

The only question if Dorion will move before the season starts. There is very little room for error to start the season.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 16 @ 6:32 PM ET
This really is bringing back serious memories of the Duchene trade.

The only question if Dorion will move before the season starts. There is very little room for error to start the season.

- david22


DeBrincat might be a better comparable to the Duchene trade.

But there is a huge difference in the calculus. Not many teams will have the cap space needed to do a deal next summer and the following summer will be even harder. DeBrincat and Chychrun will be easier to resign to long term deals than a lot of observers might think. But, the assumption behind this is that the Sens are contenders.
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Aug 16 @ 6:37 PM ET
DeBrincat might be a better comparable to the Duchene trade.

But there is a huge difference in the calculus. Not many teams will have the cap space needed to do a deal next summer and the following summer will be even harder. DeBrincat and Chychrun will be easier to resign to long term deals than a lot of observers might think. But, the assumption behind this is that the Sens are contenders.

- spatso


Chych has 3 year left at 4.6M Cat has 1 year at 6.4 and 1 year at 9M, to keep Cat OTT would need to bridge Stu, Pinto and Sanderson if Cat stays at 9M if he wants more, trade him, tho considering Kadri is still unsigned and Klingberg only got a 1 year deal with a bottom team, maybe Cat accept 8.5-9M on a long term deal with OTT
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 16 @ 9:08 PM ET
Chych has 3 year left at 4.6M Cat has 1 year at 6.4 and 1 year at 9M, to keep Cat OTT would need to bridge Stu, Pinto and Sanderson if Cat stays at 9M if he wants more, trade him, tho considering Kadri is still unsigned and Klingberg only got a 1 year deal with a bottom team, maybe Cat accept 8.5-9M on a long term deal with OTT
- Mithos


Sens will not be able to keep everyone. The issue is also about control. If they have control with some contract runway or rights remaining they will be fine. Sanderson will be really hard if he is as good as folks hope he is.
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Aug 17 @ 3:50 AM ET
The Sens need to hold onto those first round picks because they're going to need them to get rid of DeBrincat who will be much harder to move than Zaitsev. If you can't see that now don't worry; the light should start to come on around trade deadline time.

Some of course will never see it. They're already starting to talk about playing hardball with Stutzle and Sanderson and Pinto. If Sanderson and his ELC and top D potential need to go because you've brought in a good top 4D like Chychrun and so can't afford to keep what will probably be the much better D, Sanderson, because you're stuck with the cap hit of the wee little person, who no other team will touch, than so be it they'll proudly say. You made your team better for one year so who gives a damn what happens after that.

Same goes with Stutzle they'll say, if he wants to be paid what he'll more than likely be worth when the time comes round for his contract and they can't do it because no one will take the wee little person and his cap hit off their hands. Begone, Timmy, they'll say.

Maybe the Sens get lucky and really good players agree to play for peanuts for a year or two until the Sens can have walked away from the wee little person for nothing while the salary cap gets a bump, but I'm not optimistic. Getting DsBrincat will inevitably cost the Sens greatly in the not too distant future. Hopefully it doesn't get turned into a complete debacle that ruins any hope for a Cup down the road.

On the bright side I was listening to the boys at TSN yesterday and some of them are saying they wouldn't even consider trading Greig straight up for Chychrun because they think he's that good. Some are saying that not only will he be a top 6 player but that three years down the road he'll be one of the best players on the team. They're saying that the first round draft of Stutzle, Sanderso and Greig will go down as the best draft by a team in NHL history. Gotta love it. Kind of boggles the mind that there are those who think it's perfectly reasonable to sacrifice a couple of those guys for Chychrun and a wee little person and his pot of gold.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 17 @ 5:21 AM ET
The Sens need to hold onto those first round picks because they're going to need them to get rid of DeBrincat who will be much harder to move than Zaitsev. If you can't see that now don't worry; the light should start to come on around trade deadline time.

Some of course will never see it. They're already starting to talk about playing hardball with Stutzle and Sanderson and Pinto. If Sanderson and his ELC and top D potential need to go because you've brought in a good top 4D like Chychrun and so can't afford to keep what will probably be the much better D, Sanderson, because you're stuck with the cap hit of the wee little person, who no other team will touch, than so be it they'll proudly say. You made your team better for one year so who gives a damn what happens after that.

Same goes with Stutzle they'll say, if he wants to be paid what he'll more than likely be worth when the time comes round for his contract and they can't do it because no one will take the wee little person and his cap hit off their hands. Begone, Timmy, they'll say.

Maybe the Sens get lucky and really good players agree to play for peanuts for a year or two until the Sens can have walked away from the wee little person for nothing while the salary cap gets a bump, but I'm not optimistic. Getting DsBrincat will inevitably cost the Sens greatly not too far down the road. Hopefully it doesn't get turned into a complete debacle that ruins any hope for a Cup down the road.

On the bright side I was listening to the boys at TSN yesterday and some of them are saying they wouldn't even consider trading Greig straight up for Chychrun because they think he's that good. Some are saying that not only will he be a top 6 player but that three years down the road he'll be one of the best players on the team. They're saying that the first round draft of Stutzle, Sanderso and Greig will go down as the best draft by a team in NHL history. Gotta love it.

- Whatisavailable


I don't understand your worries. An asset is an asset is an asset. DeBrincat remains a negotiable asset. He is an RFA at the end of this coming season and a UFA as soon as two summers from now.

The big mistake many rebuilding teams make is that they wait too long and remain in the rebuild stage forever. They continue acquiring picks and prospects. They do not know how to go for it when their competitive window is opened. Rebuilds stall when teams fail to grasp the timing of an open competitive window.

For fans, this has been the best Sens summer hockey season ever. And, the regular season may prove out to be one of the most fun years ever.

However, if they falter, and need to swap out DeBrincat at the deadline they should get back the 1st and 2nd picks to offset their original acquisition cost. Even if they only get a 1st, the net cost from both ends of the deal would be a 2nd. Pretty reasonable price for all the oxygen and opportunity it has given to the franchise over this summer.

If DeBrincat is merely a rental, even only, a one year rental, it still remains an incredibly shrewd move by the Sens.
HoweHatrick
Joined: 01.02.2014

Aug 17 @ 7:25 AM ET
The Sens need to hold onto those first round picks because they're going to need them to get rid of DeBrincat who will be much harder to move than Zaitsev. If you can't see that now don't worry; the light should start to come on around trade deadline time.

Some of course will never see it. They're already starting to talk about playing hardball with Stutzle and Sanderson and Pinto. If Sanderson and his ELC and top D potential need to go because you've brought in a good top 4D like Chychrun and so can't afford to keep what will probably be the much better D, Sanderson, because you're stuck with the cap hit of the wee little person, who no other team will touch, than so be it they'll proudly say. You made your team better for one year so who gives a damn what happens after that.

Same goes with Stutzle they'll say, if he wants to be paid what he'll more than likely be worth when the time comes round for his contract and they can't do it because no one will take the wee little person and his cap hit off their hands. Begone, Timmy, they'll say.

Maybe the Sens get lucky and really good players agree to play for peanuts for a year or two until the Sens can have walked away from the wee little person for nothing while the salary cap gets a bump, but I'm not optimistic. Getting DsBrincat will inevitably cost the Sens greatly in the not too distant future. Hopefully it doesn't get turned into a complete debacle that ruins any hope for a Cup down the road.

On the bright side I was listening to the boys at TSN yesterday and some of them are saying they wouldn't even consider trading Greig straight up for Chychrun because they think he's that good. Some are saying that not only will he be a top 6 player but that three years down the road he'll be one of the best players on the team. They're saying that the first round draft of Stutzle, Sanderso and Greig will go down as the best draft by a team in NHL history. Gotta love it. Kind of boggles the mind that there are those who think it's perfectly reasonable to sacrifice a couple of those guys for Chychrun and a wee little person and his pot of gold.

- Whatisavailable


It's funny. This fellow cries to Kevin when anyone dares to call him on his bullpoop but loves to disparage players at any chance he gets.

Talk about a little man. Look that up and you will see the photo of whatisavailable beside the definition in the dictionary.
TDBSenatoR
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 09.28.2018

Aug 17 @ 8:27 AM ET
The Sens need to hold onto those first round picks because they're going to need them to get rid of DeBrincat who will be much harder to move than Zaitsev. If you can't see that now don't worry; the light should start to come on around trade deadline time.

Some of course will never see it. They're already starting to talk about playing hardball with Stutzle and Sanderson and Pinto. If Sanderson and his ELC and top D potential need to go because you've brought in a good top 4D like Chychrun and so can't afford to keep what will probably be the much better D, Sanderson, because you're stuck with the cap hit of the wee little person, who no other team will touch, than so be it they'll proudly say. You made your team better for one year so who gives a damn what happens after that.

Same goes with Stutzle they'll say, if he wants to be paid what he'll more than likely be worth when the time comes round for his contract and they can't do it because no one will take the wee little person and his cap hit off their hands. Begone, Timmy, they'll say.

Maybe the Sens get lucky and really good players agree to play for peanuts for a year or two until the Sens can have walked away from the wee little person for nothing while the salary cap gets a bump, but I'm not optimistic. Getting DsBrincat will inevitably cost the Sens greatly in the not too distant future. Hopefully it doesn't get turned into a complete debacle that ruins any hope for a Cup down the road.

On the bright side I was listening to the boys at TSN yesterday and some of them are saying they wouldn't even consider trading Greig straight up for Chychrun because they think he's that good. Some are saying that not only will he be a top 6 player but that three years down the road he'll be one of the best players on the team. They're saying that the first round draft of Stutzle, Sanderso and Greig will go down as the best draft by a team in NHL history. Gotta love it. Kind of boggles the mind that there are those who think it's perfectly reasonable to sacrifice a couple of those guys for Chychrun and a wee little person and his pot of gold.

- Whatisavailable


I don't get all the worry. Debrincat has proven that he can score tons of goals with a good setup man in Patrick Kane. Stutzle, while not Patrick Kane, should be expected to be an absolutely fine setup man for him. You can be big and rough all you want but you need to score lots of goals to be a top team.

Two solid top lines with a setup guy, goal scorer and power forward would be fantastic and that is almost what the Sens have in their projected top lines. If anything Giroux is more redundant that Debrincat is and it would be better to have a Kadri type in that position but having him around to mentor and shore up faceoffs for the next 3 years isn't a bad deal either and if Greig somehow becomes worthy of a 2nd line position, with the grit he plays with that would give you an ideal top two lines.

The only way you could possibly see the Debrincat acquisition (a proven goal scorer when paired with a great setup man) as a failure without seeing any games yet has to mean that you have zero faith in Stutzle to be a great playmaker and if that is true the root problem is not the Debrincat situation.

I for one have faith in Stutzle and Debrincat is exactly the kind of guy he needs on his wing to shine. Ideally you get a power forward on a line with them but Giroux should still be great on that line giving Stutzle multiple options to dish the puck to.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Aug 17 @ 8:58 AM ET
The Sens need to hold onto those first round picks because they're going to need them to get rid of DeBrincat who will be much harder to move than Zaitsev. If you can't see that now don't worry; the light should start to come on around trade deadline time.

Some of course will never see it. They're already starting to talk about playing hardball with Stutzle and Sanderson and Pinto. If Sanderson and his ELC and top D potential need to go because you've brought in a good top 4D like Chychrun and so can't afford to keep what will probably be the much better D, Sanderson, because you're stuck with the cap hit of the wee little person, who no other team will touch, than so be it they'll proudly say. You made your team better for one year so who gives a damn what happens after that.

Same goes with Stutzle they'll say, if he wants to be paid what he'll more than likely be worth when the time comes round for his contract and they can't do it because no one will take the wee little person and his cap hit off their hands. Begone, Timmy, they'll say.

Maybe the Sens get lucky and really good players agree to play for peanuts for a year or two until the Sens can have walked away from the wee little person for nothing while the salary cap gets a bump, but I'm not optimistic. Getting DsBrincat will inevitably cost the Sens greatly in the not too distant future. Hopefully it doesn't get turned into a complete debacle that ruins any hope for a Cup down the road.

On the bright side I was listening to the boys at TSN yesterday and some of them are saying they wouldn't even consider trading Greig straight up for Chychrun because they think he's that good. Some are saying that not only will he be a top 6 player but that three years down the road he'll be one of the best players on the team. They're saying that the first round draft of Stutzle, Sanderso and Greig will go down as the best draft by a team in NHL history. Gotta love it. Kind of boggles the mind that there are those who think it's perfectly reasonable to sacrifice a couple of those guys for Chychrun and a wee little person and his pot of gold.

- Whatisavailable

Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Aug 17 @ 9:44 AM ET
The Sens need to hold onto those first round picks because they're going to need them to get rid of DeBrincat who will be much harder to move than Zaitsev. If you can't see that now don't worry; the light should start to come on around trade deadline time.

Some of course will never see it. They're already starting to talk about playing hardball with Stutzle and Sanderson and Pinto. If Sanderson and his ELC and top D potential need to go because you've brought in a good top 4D like Chychrun and so can't afford to keep what will probably be the much better D, Sanderson, because you're stuck with the cap hit of the wee little person, who no other team will touch, than so be it they'll proudly say. You made your team better for one year so who gives a damn what happens after that.

Same goes with Stutzle they'll say, if he wants to be paid what he'll more than likely be worth when the time comes round for his contract and they can't do it because no one will take the wee little person and his cap hit off their hands. Begone, Timmy, they'll say.

Maybe the Sens get lucky and really good players agree to play for peanuts for a year or two until the Sens can have walked away from the wee little person for nothing while the salary cap gets a bump, but I'm not optimistic. Getting DsBrincat will inevitably cost the Sens greatly in the not too distant future. Hopefully it doesn't get turned into a complete debacle that ruins any hope for a Cup down the road.

On the bright side I was listening to the boys at TSN yesterday and some of them are saying they wouldn't even consider trading Greig straight up for Chychrun because they think he's that good. Some are saying that not only will he be a top 6 player but that three years down the road he'll be one of the best players on the team. They're saying that the first round draft of Stutzle, Sanderso and Greig will go down as the best draft by a team in NHL history. Gotta love it. Kind of boggles the mind that there are those who think it's perfectly reasonable to sacrifice a couple of those guys for Chychrun and a wee little person and his pot of gold.

- Whatisavailable

Call me whatever you want, but you are going to have to explain the first point of your post more for me to grasp how moving an RFA Debrincat would be harder to move than a pylon under contract in Zaitsev - who ironically has not been moved this summer despite pressure to do so. I can concede that perhaps Debrincat might need to be moved, but your notion just seems as an unfair exaggeration.

Folks need to tap the breaks on Greig. He’s playing in a make up tourney. Players are 8 months or so older than they normally would be for the tourney and there’s some players not playing because they are NHL bound in October. Greig has played well in-depth roles and has benefited with a few unsustainable percentages on offence. The world junior tourney, while a fun tourney to watch, is not the greatest tool for prospect evaluation. The subtle notions from folks saying he can be a top 6 forward and/or a replacement for Debrincat are quite lofty expectations for a guy drafted because he plays a hard 2-way game and with a bit of an edge. Other than Brady, Sens have not been overly successful with those types of prospects. Certainly, a prospect to keep an eye on. I don’t doubt he can be an NHLer. I have managed expectations to suggest he can be anything more than a 3rd liner, which not a terrible outcome.
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Aug 17 @ 10:14 AM ET
Call me whatever you want, but you are going to have to explain the first piint of your post more for me to grasp how moving an RFA Debrincat would be harder to move than a pylon under contract in Zaitsev - who ironically has not been moved this summer despite pressure to do so.

Folks need to tap the breaks on Greig. He’s playing in a make up tourney. Players are 8 months or so older than they normally would be for the tourney and there’s some players not playing because they are NHL bound in October. Greig has played well in-depth roles and has benefited with a few unsustainable percentages on offence. The world junior tourney, while a fun tourney to watch, is not the greatest tool for prospect evaluation. The subtle notions from folks saying he can be a top 6 forward and/or a replacement for Debrincat are quite lofty expectations for a guy drafted because he plays a hard 2-way game and with a bit of an edge. Other than Brady, Sens have not been overly successful with those types of prospects. Certainly, a prospect to keep an eye on. I don’t doubt he can be an NHLer. I have managed expectations to suggest he can be anything more than a 3rd liner, which not a terrible outcome.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


Fair point on Greig, he's having a good tournament so far, but we've all made the mistake of overvalueing a player's game at the Juniors before, with very mixed results.

Regardless, it seems with the fanfare, and the Greig being that type of player managment loves, that they'll be very reluctant to trade him.

So it raises the question of which "high end" prospects are left to include in any trade. It wont be Boucher, could Pinto be traded? They would likely want one of JBD or Thomson.

Octavarium
New York Islanders
Joined: 01.03.2007

Aug 17 @ 10:50 AM ET
For a quiet random week in August there sure is a lot of trade chatter this week. I wish Dorion will stand his ground on Chyc. The ask is too high.
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Aug 17 @ 11:54 AM ET
This high end prospect Arizona wants can't be Pinto either because Greig is not ready yet and that would leave them thin at C with just Norris and Stutzle.

Also I would like to underline that although I've been watching Greig play at this tournament and have been impressed with his play to this point I would not use that as an indicator of just how well he'll do in the NHL. It's some of the sports talking heads that have been saying he'll transition very well and that has a nice ring to it for me and so I don't mind passing along what they're saying.

Personally I can easily see Greig developing into a very affordable, very good number 3C capable of shutting down an opponent's top line with high energy while contributing significantly offensively. I'd be good with that.

I wish Pinto would have played last year but will be interested to see if he can stay healthy and just how well he will develop. Keeping my fingers crossed. Ideally a couple of years from now I would like their Cs to be Stutzle, Pinto and Greig with Norris moved to the wing which would suit him better I think but it's way too soon to speculate about such things.

What they need to do is extend Zub and get rid of Zaitsev or else Chabot will be stuck with him all year. Poor Chabot because even if they treat Zaitsev to an all expense paid vacation to Russia he'll just be stuck with Hamonic instead.

If they do go ahead and trade for Chychrun or Weeger or some such then they better draft protect any 2023 first at least top 5 because it's going to be a deep draft and they sure as hell better not give up Greig or Pinto. Those two firsts, with the 2023 top 5 protected, are more than enough and throw in that second they got for Brown to move Zaitsev.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Aug 17 @ 2:33 PM ET
“He’s unreal,” Tyson Foerster said of Greig later Monday, following the eventual win over Finland. “His work ethic is insane. His heart. He blocks shots, backchecks, scores goals. He does it all.”

“Greig’s been outstanding in this tournament,” head coach Dave Cameron said of the centreman Monday. “With two guys, Josh (Roy) and Will (Dufour) — pretty good players, and heavy. I think it’s a good combination of heaviness, good sticks, and hockey IQ.”


I really like Pinto, but if he has a healthy productive year, it may be good to trade him to get a quality D-man - like when Foligno was traded for Methot
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Aug 17 @ 3:17 PM ET
“He’s unreal,” Tyson Foerster said of Greig later Monday, following the eventual win over Finland. “His work ethic is insane. His heart. He blocks shots, backchecks, scores goals. He does it all.”

“Greig’s been outstanding in this tournament,” head coach Dave Cameron said of the centreman Monday. “With two guys, Josh (Roy) and Will (Dufour) — pretty good players, and heavy. I think it’s a good combination of heaviness, good sticks, and hockey IQ.”


I really like Pinto, but if he has a healthy productive year, it may be good to trade him to get a quality D-man - like when Foligno was traded for Methot

- AlfieisKing


I am afraid to say my choice when it comes to moving a centre.

Let's say Grieg makes the team coming out of training camp and Ottawa has 4 centres playing the game: Norris, Stutzle, Pinto and Grieg.

We can all agree Stutzle is not going anywhere. Choices are more complex after that.
CooCooKaChoo
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.15.2008

Aug 17 @ 3:19 PM ET
For a quiet random week in August there sure is a lot of trade chatter this week. I wish Dorion will stand his ground on Chyc. The ask is too high.
- Octavarium


I agree, if the price comes down a bit, make the move; but don't make the move just because you think you have to at this point. I'm willing to roll the dice and see if another young guy steps up, although that's a lot of young on the back end. Maybe people need to manage those playoff expectations this year.

The thing that has to happen is moving Zaitsev. Please take away Smith's toy.
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