baseballbuzz - (frank)ing boring as poop - even in the dogs days of hockeytalk

Welp. (frank)ing scratch that off the board-

Jeff Sanders
@sdutSanders
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10m
Hosmer is heading to Boston, per team source.


- GreatGigInTheSky

Padres are either going to have to pay most of his salary or add a player

Toronto Blue Jays
@BlueJays
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6m
ROSTER MOVE:

🔹 LHP Anthony Banda has been designated for assignment

_____________________

More bullpen space

Did it to themselves, too.

If the trade for Soto didn't require him to be in it, then why the poop didn't they make a separate trade with him? It's like they just thought he'd accept their bullpoop.

Pretty trash way to treat a vet player, really.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Did I speak too soon? Who did the bosox trade to get him?

Let's put this in perspective - or at least the perspective I have on it:

Nick Robertson for Cedric Paquette and Ryan Dzingel. You're trading a player who has no actual professional success, but has the potential for it for two players who are largely borderline players / 4th line guys.

Bass was a waiver claim two years ago - but is having a good season. He has a great WHIP this year, and typically has always been decent in this area. His K9 this year is also not too bad. He's making $3m. You can accidentally make that after the age of 27 in baseball. I mean . . . Aaron Loup makes $7.5m.

Pop, I know, because I've watched him a lot - and I wanted us to get him. As I said, he's he friend's nephew. In 2020 he was rehabbing Tommy John in his garage at home by throwing into a net. He couldn't go anywhere, so it was just there . . . throwing in the garage. When he finally made it, we were watching him pitch on TV - and he's got nice breaking stuff - nice movement.

But he was a Rule-5 claim by the Marlins. Both guys don't have a lot of trade value. I'm not saying they are not valuable, I'm saying that you should have been able to get them for less than Groshans and use him as a chip in a more valuable package.
- Monkeypunk

Would've been nice, for sure.

Yes and no. Just because you're rich, it doesn't change what $10 will buy. It just changes how much you value that $10. Being reckless with the $10 could come back to bite you in the ass - especially since you're not guaranteed to always be rich.
- Monkeypunk

I think you are getting caught up in where a player was drafted or how he came to be in the majors or on his current team. It's not always important when establishing value. Tyler Biggs was drafted in the first round by the Leafs at #22 and he was pure poop. Never played a single game in the NHL. Garnie's favorite player was drafted by the Leafs in the 7th round with the 188th pick. After his current contract expires, i expect the Oilers to sign him for $6M x 7

Toronto Blue Jays
@BlueJays
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6m
ROSTER MOVE:

🔹 LHP Anthony Banda has been designated for assignment

_____________________

More bullpen space
- GreatGigInTheSky

Good.

Jays LHP Andrew Vasquez has been claimed by philly.

Padres are either going to have to pay most of his salary or add a player
- Canada Cup

I heard something like $40M

Let's take this analogy and use it and we'll drop it because I will have at least felt that I illustrated my point that we overpaid by giving up Groshans in this deal:

When Potvin emerged and supplanted Fuhr, we didn't give away Fuhr because we had a better goalie and didn't need Fuhr - instead we parlayed him into Andreychuk, Puppa and a 1st (Kenny Jonsson).

When Cujo replaced Potvin, we didn't give away Felix because we had a better goalie and didn't need Felix - instead we held on for the right deal, and we traded him for Bryan Berard.

As long as something has value elsewhere, how you value it isn't what's important - because it's not about the value to you, it's about the value of the currency you're using. All I am saying is that Groshans may not have had much value to the Jays' organization, but he had greater value to MLB at large as a trade chip.
- Monkeypunk

I think 22' has had a significant impact on his 'prospect' status. He was a good, but not great, prospect coming into the season (at the most optimistic of times) and he's struggled all year. He's slowly defining himself as a contact/no power/corner fielder - not exactly a set of traits that excite.

Wins Above Replacement - #BlueJays Relievers

Bass 1.4
Romano 0.8
Garcia 0.7
Phelps 0.7
Cimber 0.6
Pop 0.3
Mayza 0.1
Thornton -0.2
Richards -0.5

wild, but pretty good indication of the Jays Pen so far...pretty meh
hopefully still more to come

wild, but pretty good indication of the Jays Pen so far...pretty meh
hopefully still more to come
- senstroll

Not surprising. 5th most blown saves in the majors.

Edit - I dislike Richards more than Gigsy dislikes Holl.

I think you are getting caught up in where a player was drafted or how he came to be in the majors or on his current team. It's not always important when establishing value. Tyler Biggs was drafted in the first round by the Leafs at #22 and he was pure poop. Never played a single game in the NHL. Garnie's favorite player was drafted by the Leafs in the 7th round with the 188th pick. After his current contract expires, i expect the Oilers to sign him for $6M x 7
- winsix

Again, his stock has fallen - especially since he's having a poor 2022 so far, but Groshans is still the #60 prospect on Baseball Prospectus. MLB had him #80 entering this year. He fell off of Baseball America's top 100 prospects list - but he was there.

I think his injury in 2019 has affected his performance and subsequently his prospect value. But not so much that being a top-100 guy doesn't still carry weight.

I think you are getting caught up in where a player was drafted or how he came to be in the majors or on his current team. It's not always important when establishing value. Tyler Biggs was drafted in the first round by the Leafs at #22 and he was pure poop. Never played a single game in the NHL. Garnie's favorite player was drafted by the Leafs in the 7th round with the 188th pick. After his current contract expires, i expect the Oilers to sign him for $6M x 7
- winsix

Jays gave up their 4th ranked prospect (#82 in baseball).
I could see how it might be considered a little high.
Pop has 4 more years of control (2-0 3.60 ERA), Bass is in his 2nd year of a 2 year deal (2-3 1,41 ERA).

I think 22' has had a significant impact on his 'prospect' status. He was a good, but not great, prospect coming into the season (at the most optimistic of times) and he's struggled all year. He's slowly defining himself as a contact/no power/corner fielder - not exactly a set of traits that excite.
- The Law

I said the same thing above - this year is not helping him.

This is two guys from our system I can immediately think of - Groshans and Martin - who have come back from injury and not been able to find their power through the adjustments they've been making. Is this a normal thing that just happens to prospects, or is there some problematic approach to the hitting instruction going on in A/AA ball?

Padres are either going to have to pay most of his salary or add a player
- Canada Cup

Think I read something about paying most all of it. But not sure if it was just a path they might need to take, or if it's what they're actually doing.

Jays gave up their 4th ranked prospect (#82 in baseball).
I could see how it might be considered a little high.
But Pop has 4 more years of control, Bass is in his 2nd year of a 2 year deal.
- Fakepartofme

Jays have Bass for this year and a team option at $3M for next season

Jays have Bass for this year and a team option at $3M for next season
- winsix

Ah ok.
Nice.

Not surprising. 5th most blown saves in the majors.

Edit - I dislike Richards more than Gigsy dislikes Holl.
- winsix

I am willing to fight you on who hates Richards more.

And for once on this site, I'm not talking about Richards.

Did I speak too soon? Who did the bosox trade to get him?
- Fakepartofme

Yup.

So my cheering for Hosmer redemption lasted, like, 20 minutes. (frank) him now.

Good.
- Monkeypunk

Need Richards gone next

I am willing to fight you on who hates Richards more.

And for once on this site, I'm not talking about Richards.
- Monkeypunk

Not surprising. 5th most blown saves in the majors.

Edit - I dislike Richards more than Gigsy dislikes Holl.
- winsix

Hating both makes sense. They're both all world useless.

I am willing to fight you on who hates Richards more.

And for once on this site, I'm not talking about Richards.
- Monkeypunk

Seeing the Richards hate is making me happy. I've never liked the guy.

Jays gave up their 4th ranked prospect (#82 in baseball).
I could see how it might be considered a little high.
Pop has 4 more years of control (2-0 3.60 ERA), Bass is in his 2nd year of a 2 year deal (2-3 1,41 ERA).
- Fakepartofme

I wonder who the PTBNL is. I'm sort of hoping it's someone like Sixto Sanchez - that would at least make sense to me.

He may never make it back, but he has potential - and has been rehabbing TJ surgery since last July. By 2023, he should be ready to resume his career. He'll be 23 next year, and it would make sense that two guys who were higher on prospect lists, but have fallen down those lists to injuries could get swapped for one another.