- Symba007

Frank Sinatra or Satre. I’m always getting those two mixed up

I assume most teams want Moreno for any decent Pitching. which is a

Rodon and Pablo Lopez still very good options. get one shapkins

Him and Loup for the pen in a multiplayer deal perhaps?

Wouldn't mind my braves snagging him at all either.
- Roadrunner75

It's not like Syndergaard isn't a better option than Castro or Kikuchi, but this revived Syndergaard is a shell of Thor. This is like dad-bod Thor. His strikeouts are way down, walks are up, hits are up, WHIP is obviously up and his HR/9 is up from his norms.

If he's cheap, he's a good #5, but I wouldn't give up much more than a fledgling prospect for him.

. . . and maybe it's just me, but I hope to never see Loup in a Jays uniform again. He had a good year with the Mets last year, but he's back to himself this year. We don't need more relievers who put too many men on base and can't be trusted with inherited runners. He also has a WAR of -0.9, which is a team worst.

I assume most teams want Moreno for any decent Pitching. which is a

Rodon and Pablo Lopez still very good options. get one shapkins
- senstroll

They could pick up Joc Pederson when they get Rodin. It would be nice to have a Swede who hits

It's not like Syndergaard isn't a better option than Castro or Kikuchi, but this revived Syndergaard is a shell of Thor. This is like dad-bod Thor. His strikeouts are way down, walks are up, hits are up, WHIP is obviously up and his HR/9 is up from his norms.

If he's cheap, he's a good #5, but I wouldn't give up much more than a fledgling prospect for him.

. . . and maybe it's just me, but I hope to never see Loup in a Jays uniform again. He had a good year with the Mets last year, but he's back to himself this year. We don't need more relievers who put too many men on base and can't be trusted with inherited runners. He also has a WAR of -0.9, which is a team worst.
- Monkeypunk

He’s a rental. He’d have to be cheap

He’s a rental. He’d have to be cheap
- Canada Cup

so a B prospect, a 1st and a 4th round pick?

Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
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6m
In the Juan Soto sweepstakes, sources say 3 finalists remain -- the #Padres, #STLCards, and #Dodgers.

The #BlueJays inquired in July but are not actively discussing Soto with the #Nats.

@MLBNetwork

@Sportsnet

______________________________

They could make a good trade still and this will still go down as a failure. No excuse to not even be in the discussion, if this is true. Shame.

According to Morosi - the reason the Jays backed off on the Soto deal was that the first piece Washington wanted was Bo Bichette. So they wanted Bo Bichette +++ including Moreno and a couple of other top prospects.
- winsix

Crazy to me that with teams offers coming out, that the Jays offer supposedly has to be 100x the others.

All things considered, Washington should be begging for it to be Toronto. All other teams in it are in the West and they'll have to face him multiple times a season. So stupid.

Crazy to me that with teams offers coming out, that the Jays offer supposedly has to be 100x the others.

All things considered, Washington should be begging for it to be Toronto. All other teams in it are in the West and they'll have to face him multiple times a season. So stupid.
- GreatGigInTheSky

You can’t compare a supposed offer by the Padres that Washington turned down to what the Nats told the Jays they want from them. That makes no sense. The Jays could have offered Kikuchi and Zimmer. What matters is the minimum that Washington accepts.

Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
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6m
In the Juan Soto sweepstakes, sources say 3 finalists remain -- the #Padres, #STLCards, and #Dodgers.

The #BlueJays inquired in July but are not actively discussing Soto with the #Nats.

@MLBNetwork

@Sportsnet

______________________________

They could make a good trade still and this will still go down as a failure. No excuse to not even be in the discussion, if this is true. Shame.
- GreatGigInTheSky

They were. The price was too high and they said thanks and bye

You can’t compare a supposed offer by the Padres that Washington turned down to what the Nats told the Jays they want from them. That makes no sense. The Jays could have offered Kikuchi and Zimmer. What matters is the minimum that Washington accepts.
- Canada Cup

Bo > the entirety of other offer made public. Never mind the added prospects wanted on top of it. So, yes, it can be compared.

If it turns out that the reason the Jays ended up out of the Soto sweepstakes is that the ask was insanely too high, then yeah, makes sense that they said no.

But to leave entirely, and not stick around to the end, is really dumb. Last second things could/probably will change. And the Jays have the literal top prospect in all of Baseball to offer. On top of being in a completely other league so Washington doesn't need to face him 10+ times for a decade.

Bo > the entirety of other offer made public. Never mind the added prospects wanted on top of it. So, yes, it can be compared.

If it turns out that the reason the Jays ended up out of the Soto sweepstakes is that the ask was insanely too high, then yeah, makes sense that they said no.

But to leave entirely, and not stick around to the end, is really dumb. Last second things could/probably will change. And the Jays have the literal top prospect in all of Baseball to offer. On top of being in a completely other league so Washington doesn't need to face him 10+ times for a decade.
- GreatGigInTheSky

You’re comparing what the Padres said they they wanted to pay to what Washington told the jays they wanted. Those are two very different things.

And forget the decade thing. This is two and half years.

You’re comparing what the Padres said they they wanted to pay to what Washington told the jays they wanted. Those are two very different things.

And forget the decade thing. This is two and half years.
- Canada Cup

I think it's 2 and a half years if you don't make him a fair extension offer.

What Washington offered - 15 years @ $440m works out to under $30m / year. Sure it's a metric (frank) ton of money, but it's also way less than he would make on the open market if he were taking one year terms - and it doesn't account for market growth and revenue increases. If that same deal were $570m, which is $38m and peaked at $50m for 5 years, you'd probably be in the ballpark Boras wants Soto to play in.

You’re comparing what the Padres said they they wanted to pay to what Washington told the jays they wanted. Those are two very different things.

And forget the decade thing. This is two and half years.
- Canada Cup

The Jays were in the talks. That in and of itself tells you that they were/are willing to offer their top prospects. And Washington wanted Bo+ them, apparently. Yeah, Washington turned down the Padres offer, but the deal that gets it done in the end will in all likelihood, be a bit above it. Which still doesn't equal the reported ask from the Jays. So yeah, they said no. But should 100% stay in contact until the end because the ask will lessen.

And no. I won't, and no one else should, forget about that. Every team willing/trying to trade for him is planning on him being around long term. Makes no sense otherwise. And Washington should also factor that in.

Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
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11m
Full deal, per sources:

Minnesota gets: closer Jorge Lopez

Baltimore gets: LHP Cade Povich, RHP Yennier Cano, RHP Juan Nuñez and LHP Juan Rojas

*watches Hlinka-Gretzky instead of brasebrall*

Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
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25m
Sources believe #Cubs could pair a hitter (Contreras or Happ) with a reliever (Robertson or Givens) to maximize the prospect return.

Toronto is interested in Happ plus a bullpen arm.

The Mets, linked to Contreras for weeks, also are looking for a reliever.

*watches Hlinka-Gretzky instead of brasebrall*
- AdamFrench

Is that on? Looked and don't see it. See it at 5pm, but that's a half day away.

The Jays were in the talks. That in and of itself tells you that they were/are willing to offer their top prospects. And Washington wanted Bo+ them, apparently. Yeah, Washington turned down the Padres offer, but the deal that gets it done in the end will in all likelihood, be a bit above it. Which still doesn't equal the reported ask from the Jays. So yeah, they said no. But should 100% stay in contact until the end because the ask will lessen.

And no. I won't, and no one else should, forget about that. Every team willing/trying to trade for him is planning on him being around long term. Makes no sense otherwise. And Washington should also factor that in.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I wouldn't say the Jays are out using that context. It's likely Washington said they want Bo and Moreno, and, and . . . and the Jays would have said they wouldn't move Bo, but were flexible on 'y' and 'z', and Washington might have pushed for Bo further and the Jays backed out.

Nothing stops Washington from picking up the phone and saying, "You know what? That same deal with player 'y' instead of Bo works for us."

It's like bidding on a house - you go to $1.1m, and you're informed that someone has offered 1.15 - but you're at your ceiling and you can't beat that bid. So you're out. But if the $1.15 falls through or they back out, they'll come back to you and your $1.1m offer and see if you're still interested.

Is that on? Looked and don't see it. See it at 5pm, but that's a half day away.
- GreatGigInTheSky

First game today is 11 MT. Eduard Sale from the Czech's is looking beastly. A guy people have as a darkhorse for the top-5.

Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
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11m
Full deal, per sources:

Minnesota gets: closer Jorge Lopez

Baltimore gets: LHP Cade Povich, RHP Yennier Cano, RHP Juan Nuñez and LHP Juan Rojas
- GreatGigInTheSky

I am not up on baseball prospects like hockey prospects, so looking at Fangraphs - Povich is Minnesota's 22nd ranked prospect (not in the top-100 or anything), and Cano is their 38th ranked prospect. The other two weren't ranked in the system.

The Jays should be trying to load their BP as well. Get a few closers - or a few solid BP guys. They overwork the pen as it is, and the pen has its unreliable guys like Richards, Thornton or Banda - swapping in Lawrence, Beasley, Gage, Castillo or Hatch as the need arises . . .

I wouldn't say the Jays are out using that context. It's likely Washington said they want Bo and Moreno, and, and . . . and the Jays would have said they wouldn't move Bo, but were flexible on 'y' and 'z', and Washington might have pushed for Bo further and the Jays backed out.

Nothing stops Washington from picking up the phone and saying, "You know what? That same deal with player 'y' instead of Bo works for us."

It's like bidding on a house - you go to $1.1m, and you're informed that someone has offered 1.15 - but you're at your ceiling and you can't beat that bid. So you're out. But if the $1.15 falls through or they back out, they'll come back to you and your $1.1m offer and see if you're still interested.
- Monkeypunk

For sure, but the reporting that they're out seems to say that they've moved on. And have done so for a bit now. Which is why I was saying they should've stayed in it, to at least have an open dialogue and stay aware of the goings on.

Being out of it, the Jays could be offering Soto package guys in other trades. So if they do come back, the trade capital could be gone. And they lose out on Soto solely because they stopped listening.

First game today is 11 MT. Eduard Sale from the Czech's is looking beastly. A guy people have as a darkhorse for the top-5.
- AdamFrench

I'll probably need to find the game on the computer, then. Baseball deadline isn't until 6pm, anyways.

What's his position and what not? He a big forward?

The Jays were in the talks. That in and of itself tells you that they were/are willing to offer their top prospects. And Washington wanted Bo+ them, apparently. Yeah, Washington turned down the Padres offer, but the deal that gets it done in the end will in all likelihood, be a bit above it. Which still doesn't equal the reported ask from the Jays. So yeah, they said no. But should 100% stay in contact until the end because the ask will lessen.

And no. I won't, and no one else should, forget about that. Every team willing/trying to trade for him is planning on him being around long term. Makes no sense otherwise. And Washington should also factor that in.
- GreatGigInTheSky

We don’t know how far above the Padres offer or how far below the demand of the Jays. We’ll see where it ends up.

I don’t know why you think Washington won’t face him for decades. Boras will bring him to market when his contract is up and there’s no reason to assume he doesn’t end up in the NL even on the Mets.

I am not up on baseball prospects like hockey prospects, so looking at Fangraphs - Povich is Minnesota's 22nd ranked prospect (not in the top-100 or anything), and Cano is their 38th ranked prospect. The other two weren't ranked in the system.

The Jays should be trying to load their BP as well. Get a few closers - or a few solid BP guys. They overwork the pen as it is, and the pen has its unreliable guys like Richards, Thornton or Banda - swapping in Lawrence, Beasley, Gage, Castillo or Hatch as the need arises . . .
- Monkeypunk

The word on Lopez is that he fits well in a place like Minnesota but would have more trouble in the small ballpark AL East.