One of the points emerging is that the Jays farm system isn’t really what we like to think it is. There are some strong top end guys but beyond that the pieces aren’t really there. Buster Olney tweeted that other teams weren’t that enthusiastic about Jays prospects. Management wasn’t prepared to move Moreno or Tiedeman for any of the starters or relievers or bats available.
- Canada Cup

Perhaps it would help if a blogger wrote about their top 40 prospects.

So what you're saying is you love the Shanaplan
- Zezel

Love the Shanatkinplan

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Ross Stripling heading to IL with a right flute/hip strain. Matt Peacock is up and will be in the bullpen today.

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Well, poop

I don't know if I posted it here or not but I was talking to real life friends about it, I don't know if Shatkins is the right guys to pull the trigger on moves to push their team over the top.

They certainly can build prospects and a farm system but that's about it.
- Aaron_85

Dont lie to us.

Marner >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eichel
- Zezel

Yup.

They're the former expos alright.... selling players like it's 1995.


- Scabeh

Except they won a world series.

He's not an improvement on Espinal. He's an improvement on Zimmer, late inning base stealer who can come in and pinch run. He's also a right handed bat, not what was needed. Jays failed to a add a Left handed bat. Only three hitters on Jays hit from the left side. Biggio and Tapia - who are solid and Zimmer - who is putrid. Jays don't have a single left handed bat that can be called up in September either.
- winsix

Honestly, Merrifield 100% felt like a last second panic addition that they only did because they failed to get anyone/anything else.

Happ isn't that great. If he wasn't moved then Chicago was asking too much. There were a lot of players in yesterday's deadline - the expanded playoffs has made more buyers. I don't know why the Cubs didn't move him, but that's not my business.

Merrifield is having a poor season, but both Sens and Law have noted that he has been coming on of late, and it's true. His first month was terrible. If you look at their historical numbers, you get this:

Merrifield is faster, can steal, and plays more positions. He's a better contact hitter. Historically, he averages as a 3.2 WAR guy over 162 games.

Happ is still versatile, but largely an outfielder. He has more swing and miss but it comes with a bit more power and he takes more walks. Historically, he averages 2.4 WAR over 162 games.

Merrifield gives you the ability to move Biggio, Espinal, Bo, Springer, Teo or Gurriel in and out of games as required down the stretch and not hurt like you're putting in f'n Zimmer. Tapia has been ok, although I will say that he just can't draw a walk. If you held a gun to someone's head and said, "Take a walk or else I shoot," there would definitely be a funeral. If Merrifield continues to elevate his game, playing Tapia less might also be helpful.

It was an underwhelming deadline for them, there's no doubt. I would have liked to see maybe one more utility bat to ensure Zimmer is gone, and maybe just one more bp arm to ensure we don't see Richards again.
- Monkeypunk

Merrifield will provide a good shot in the arm for the Jays.

One of the points emerging is that the Jays farm system isn’t really what we like to think it is. There are some strong top end guys but beyond that the pieces aren’t really there. Buster Olney tweeted that other teams weren’t that enthusiastic about Jays prospects. Management wasn’t prepared to move Moreno or Tiedeman for any of the starters or relievers or bats available.
- Canada Cup

Blair mentioned this.
Maybe Jays management overvalues their prospects.

Except they won a world series.
- Fakepartofme

Well that's just depressing.

Lol

I mean, you can win with the Chris Osgoode of goalies, but has a team ever won with a Chris Osgoode equivalent of a top line centre? I don't think so.
- Zezel

Scott Gomez of the New Jersey Devils has entered the chat.

when there is no baseball talk there is like 1 post an hour

Scott Gomez of the New Jersey Devils has entered the chat.



- Cush29

Now we obviously remember the fiasco that was Gomez's time in Montreal.

But he had good seasons in New Jersey with Patrick Elias.

when there is no baseball talk there is like 1 post an hour
- senstroll

Just wait till Toronto sweeps Tampa in the Wild Card series

Blair mentioned this.
Maybe Jays management overvalues their prospects.
- Fakepartofme

There's just not that many. So, if you look at the June draft history, in 2010 under Anthopolous, the Jays had 50 picks and 12 of them made the majors. Some only for a cup of coffee - and a rotten one at that - and some of those picks weren't even with the Jays (Like Kris Bryant, drafted in the 17th round, who did not sign with us, and re-entered the draft to be selected by the Cubs 2nd overall). That year they notably drafted Sanchez, Syndergaard, Dyson and Chad Green.

In 2011 , out of 50 picks, 16 made it to the majors. Notables were Pillar, DeSclafani, Norris, Musgrove - and Aaron Nola (22nd round), who like Bryant, re-entered the draft 3 years later and was drafted in the 1st round by the Phillies.

In 2012, out of 50 picks only 8 made it, and really it was only Stroman who was notable.

2013, 15 out of 40 - notably Tellez, Jansen, Mayza, Graveman and Boyd

2014, 10 out of 40 - Romano was in this group - so was Zach Pop, who we just acquired (was talking to some guys last night who told me Zach opted not to sign because he was going to school in Kentucky, so it wasn't a failure to sign him)

2015, 5 out of 40 - the only notable player was Brady Singer who did not sign with us, and re-entered to be drafted 18th overall by Kansas.

In 2016, under the new group, their first draft saw 7 out of 40 but notably included Bichette and Biggio.

In 2017 it's been 5/40; we picked Pearson and no one else who is really worth mentioning (Adams, Smith, Logue, and Tice)

2018 and onwards is a little tough because some guys are still developing in the minors, the draft further shrank from 40 rounds to 20 (with only 5 rounds being performed in 2020), and of those picks - only Manoah has emerged so far, and there's very little fanfare about the rest of them. Austin Martin, Groshans, Tiedemann and Hoglund are really the notables - and Martin and Groshans have taken a serious tumble in prospect rankings, and Hoglund was never even a top-100 prospect despite his lofty draft position (twice).

So while I do think the development patience and some of the trades exercised by Atkins have been promising, the tenure of AA is more notable for it's ability to actually draft major league players - and players who were trade-worthy candidates. I even recall AA saying that he liked to just draft high-end pitching because at the end of the day, pitching is the ultimate currency in the MLB trade market.

There's just not that many. So, if you look at the June draft history, in 2010 under Anthopolous, the Jays had 50 picks and 12 of them made the majors. Some only for a cup of coffee - and a rotten one at that - and some of those picks weren't even with the Jays (Like Kris Bryant, drafted in the 17th round, who did not sign with us, and re-entered the draft to be selected by the Cubs 2nd overall). That year they notably drafted Sanchez, Syndergaard, Dyson and Chad Green.

In 2011 , out of 50 picks, 16 made it to the majors. Notables were Pillar, DeSclafani, Norris, Musgrove - and Aaron Nola (22nd round), who like Bryant, re-entered the draft 3 years later and was drafted in the 1st round by the Phillies.

In 2012, out of 50 picks only 8 made it, and really it was only Stroman who was notable.

2013, 15 out of 40 - notably Tellez, Jansen, Mayza, Graveman and Boyd

2014, 10 out of 40 - Romano was in this group - so was Zach Pop, who we just acquired (was talking to some guys last night who told me Zach opted not to sign because he was going to school in Kentucky, so it wasn't a failure to sign him)

2015, 5 out of 40 - the only notable player was Brady Singer who did not sign with us, and re-entered to be drafted 18th overall by Kansas.

In 2016, under the new group, their first draft saw 7 out of 40 but notably included Bichette and Biggio.

In 2017 it's been 5/40; we picked Pearson and no one else who is really worth mentioning (Adams, Smith, Logue, and Tice)

2018 and onwards is a little tough because some guys are still developing in the minors, the draft further shrank from 40 rounds to 20 (with only 5 rounds being performed in 2020), and of those picks - only Manoah has emerged so far, and there's very little fanfare about the rest of them. Austin Martin, Groshans, Tiedemann and Hoglund are really the notables - and Martin and Groshans have taken a serious tumble in prospect rankings, and Hoglund was never even a top-100 prospect despite his lofty draft position (twice).

So while I do think the development patience and some of the trades exercised by Atkins have been promising, the tenure of AA is more notable for it's ability to actually draft major league players - and players who were trade-worthy candidates. I even recall AA saying that he liked to just draft high-end pitching because at the end of the day, pitching is the ultimate currency in the MLB trade market.
- Monkeypunk

Yeah, I’m not so sure that management overvalues the prospects so much as the fan base does expecting all kinds of riches from trading guys not named Moreno or Tiedemann.

suck
- BINGO!

Lol

Nylander...underrated Leaf.. or the MOST underrated Leaf, ever?

Subway doesn't have roast beef subs anymore. That seems like a curious choice.

Love the Shanatkinplan
- Fakepartofme

I love you, the real part of you.

Fave 5 pies

1. Pumpkin
2. Strawberry Rhubarb
3. Blueberry
4. Apple
5. Lemon Meringue

Perhaps it would help if a blogger wrote about their top 40 prospects.
- Atomic Wedgie

The cruel part is that the Leafs have like half of a prospect at best

Sports prospects are meaningless

Nylander...underrated Leaf.. or the MOST underrated Leaf, ever?

Subway doesn't have roast beef subs anymore. That seems like a curious choice.
- Zezel

Beef isn’t sustainable 🤫

Nylander...underrated Leaf.. or the MOST underrated Leaf, ever?

Subway doesn't have roast beef subs anymore. That seems like a curious choice.
- Zezel

Well subway sux. So no loss at all.

whos watchin the jays game?

Now we obviously remember the fiasco that was Gomez's time in Montreal.

But he had good seasons in New Jersey with Patrick Elias.
- Scabeh

One big season where we scored 33 goals....never broke 20 goals in one single NHL season and only broke 80 points once.

He is the Chris Osgood of centres?!