The problem I have with the Canes and their lack of top end talent. Aho is a nice player as is Svechnikov, but they are not enough to propel this team to the final 4 tier IMO. Defensive structure and coaching can only get them so far. If he can stay healthy Pacioretty is an upgrade over Trocek, and at 37 Burns may be a slight upgrade over DeAngelo, but these moves are not enough IMO.
- jd250

The Canes have plenty of offense to get to the final 4.

Your read that Aho and Svechnikov are not top end talent is on par with your opinion that McAvoy is not a top defenseman in this league.

I get it. The sky is always falling. Everything is negative, 24/7/365. And yet you will be watching. Why?

I am not optimistic about the upcoming season. I realize they need a whole lot of things to go right just to be a bubble team and that it's a very tough Division to be in even under ideal circumstances. I expect the Flyers to be in the bottom 1/3 of the NHL.

But do I think it's impossible for them to overachieve relative to those modest expectations? No. Impossible for a couple of clearly talented but thus far underachieving young players to break through? No.
- bmeltzer

No you don't get it. If you do you keep it to yourself. No I will not be going out of my way to watch. I will tune in and go from there. They will not get one penny from me that I can assure you 100%.

Tired of the need a whole lot of things to go right BS mantra that gets tossed around every year. That's not how good organizations are run.

Overachieve. Again that isn't anything to hang you hat on.

They will be better by health and coaching alone. That is how the organization will sell it and the beat writers will follow suit. When really they are no closer to contention. Last place in the division is very realistic.

There is very little to be positive about for the foreseeable future.

Are you talking about deadline cap space or start of season cap space? According to Cap friendly the Canes have about $1.8M in projected cap space. And if Gardiner comes back, the Canes are neck deep with cap issues.
- jd250

This post suggests that you don't understand that it's okay to be against the cap if you're a contender.

That deadline projection is not accurate yet. Canes still have to fill out their roster. Cap picture is only with 11 forwards. There is also the issue with Jake Gardiner. I've heard reports that he may be healthy.
- MJL

Good point.

But as for Gardiner, he is clearly included already in the cap hit. The cap space is with him added in. Otherwise, the forwards+Dmen+goalie leaves them 6.3m under the cap, not the 1.8m currently.

Can we please stop putting Allison in lineups
- ClaudeFather

I totally agree.
if writing him in a lineup pencil would be best...

Who is NINE MILLION under the cap?
- Glak18

Gee I dunno but not the Canes. Rough calculation of their TDL projected cap space is:
current 1.83 m under the cap. Season is 186 days long, TDL is after 145 days I think

AT the time of the TDL, if nothing had changed and they did indeed have a full roster signed (which they don't, as MJL pointed out), they would have been able to take on a salary that is 1.83*(186/41)=8.1 m approx.

They would also bank the daily savings of the 1.83 for the 145 days, which is 1.83*(145/186)=1.42.

That adds up to about 9.5m, whereas the projected cap space is about 8.7m. I honestly don't know about the 0.8 m discrepancy but I assume it is due to salary bonuses etc or other minor (no pun intended) adjustments.

Gee I dunno but not the Canes. Rough calculation of their TDL projected cap space is:
current 1.83 m under the cap. Season is 186 days long, TDL is after 145 days I think

AT the time of the TDL, if nothing had changed and they did indeed have a full roster signed (which they don't, as MJL pointed out), they would have been able to take on a salary that is 1.83*(186/41)=8.1 m approx.

They would also bank the daily savings of the 1.83 for the 145 days, which is 1.83*(145/186)=1.42.

That adds up to about 9.5m, whereas the projected cap space is about 8.7m. I honestly don't know about the 0.8 m discrepancy but I assume it is due to salary bonuses etc or other minor (no pun intended) adjustments.
- PT21

There isn't two separate calculations involved. Cap space banked is cap space banked.

No you don't get it. If you do you keep it to yourself. No I will not be going out of my way to watch. I will tune in and go from there. They will not get one penny from me that I can assure you 100%.

Tired of the need a whole lot of things to go right BS mantra that gets tossed around every year. That's not how good organizations are run.

Overachieve. Again that isn't anything to hang you hat on.

They will be better by health and coaching alone. That is how the organization will sell it and the beat writers will follow suit. When really they are no closer to contention. Last place in the division is very realistic.

There is very little to be positive about for the foreseeable future.
- hello it's me 2050

Lighten Up Francis! People luv to cry and female dog on this site so much that it is pathetic.

Do I know they will suck yes, but I am not going to female dog about it, I accept it and move on.

I will be watching Tippet, Frost and the other new kids. I will be watching Hart who I don't think has lived up to the high expectations we all had for him.

If people think the Flyers are going to be as bad as they think they are why even comment or watch them. Get a life and move on.

Lighten Up Francis! People luv to cry and female dog on this site so much that it is pathetic.

Do I know they will suck yes, but I am not going to female dog about it, I accept it and move on.

I will be watching Tippet, Frost and the other new kids. I will be watching Hart who I don't think has lived up to the high expectations we all had for him.

If people think the Flyers are going to be as bad as they think they are why even comment or watch them. Get a life and move on.
- WhiskeyMan

big yawn

The problem I have with the Canes and their lack of top end talent. Aho is a nice player as is Svechnikov, but they are not enough to propel this team to the final 4 tier IMO. Defensive structure and coaching can only get them so far. If he can stay healthy Pacioretty is an upgrade over Trocek, and at 37 Burns may be a slight upgrade over DeAngelo, but these moves are not enough IMO.
- jd250

I hear what you are saying, and I don't necessarily disagree. You were also correct with your prediction about the Canes through the playoffs last year, and they ended up losing every single game outside, iirc, and then broke their own home streak capitulating under pressure.

This is a critical year for them.

There isn't two separate calculations involved. Cap space banked is cap space banked.
- MJL

I did it that way to highlight the role of the day (timing) when they are under the cap. Lets say they were 1.83 under at the TDL but not before. Then they could add that 8.1m player but no more. The fact they can add a more expensive player is because they have the 1.83 right at the beginning instead of at the TDL. If they were at 1.83 under at the midpoint of the season but not before they could have added that 8.1m salary and an additional 0.91. And so on.

I did it that way to highlight the role of the day (timing) when they are under the cap. Lets say they were 1.83 under at the TDL but not before. Then they could add that 8.1m player but no more. The fact they can add a more expensive player is because they have the 1.83 right at the beginning instead of at the TDL. If they were at 1.83 under at the midpoint of the season but not before they could have added that 8.1m salary and an additional 0.91. And so on.
- PT21

Over complicating it as usual. It's a simple calculation of cap space divided by days of the season X remaining days of the season. Having the cap space at the beginning of the season or later in the season makes zero difference. Cap calculating is done daily.

Over complicating it as usual. It's a simple calculation of cap space divided by days of the season X remaining days of the season. Having the cap space at the beginning of the season or later in the season makes zero difference. Cap calculating is done daily.
- MJL

I think you are saying the same thing I am but differently. Here is an example of the importance of WHEN a team is the same $ amount under the cap.

Case 1: A team is 2.2 million under the cap at the start of the season and there are no further changes in cap situation till TDL.

Case 2. A team is right at the cap and trades a 10 million player away for picks hours before the TDL. There are 41 out of 186 days left, which is 22% of the season.Thus, this team is also 2.2 million under the cap but it is so at the TDL (and not at start of season).

In case 1, the team will be able to add players at the TDL whose AAV is 11.71 mil
In case 2, the team will be only able to add players whose AAV is 10 mil.

I think you are saying the same thing I am but differently. Here is an example of the importance of WHEN a team is the same $ amount under the cap.

Case 1: A team is 2.2 million under the cap at the start of the season and there are no further changes in cap situation till TDL.

Case 2. A team is right at the cap and trades a 10 million player away for picks hours before the TDL. There are 41 out of 186 days left, which is 22% of the season.Thus, this team is also 2.2 million under the cap but it is so at the TDL (and not at start of season).

In case 1, the team will be able to add players at the TDL whose AAV is 11.71 mil
In case 2, the team will be only able to add players whose AAV is 10 mil.
- PT21

Ok nvm, this is incorrect and I was wrong. Both would only be able to add a 10 mil addition.

Gee I dunno but not the Canes. Rough calculation of their TDL projected cap space is:
current 1.83 m under the cap. Season is 186 days long, TDL is after 145 days I think

AT the time of the TDL, if nothing had changed and they did indeed have a full roster signed (which they don't, as MJL pointed out), they would have been able to take on a salary that is 1.83*(186/41)=8.1 m approx.

They would also bank the daily savings of the 1.83 for the 145 days, which is 1.83*(145/186)=1.42.

That adds up to about 9.5m, whereas the projected cap space is about 8.7m. I honestly don't know about the 0.8 m discrepancy but I assume it is due to salary bonuses etc or other minor (no pun intended) adjustments.
- PT21

I was wrong about this. MJL is right. Not only was I overcomplicating things, I was incorrect to add to my sins.

1.83 mil under the cap now projects to a TDL space of 8.1m. That's it. No second calculation. The rest must be adjustments.

(Somehow, I have some kind of mental log jam about the salary cap. I keep making the same mistakes over and over. Tomahawk and that warampsx guy corrected me for making the exact same mistake a year ago)

I think you are saying the same thing I am but differently. Here is an example of the importance of WHEN a team is the same $ amount under the cap.

Case 1: A team is 2.2 million under the cap at the start of the season and there are no further changes in cap situation till TDL.

Case 2. A team is right at the cap and trades a 10 million player away for picks hours before the TDL. There are 41 out of 186 days left, which is 22% of the season.Thus, this team is also 2.2 million under the cap but it is so at the TDL (and not at start of season).

In case 1, the team will be able to add players at the TDL whose AAV is 11.71 mil
In case 2, the team will be only able to add players whose AAV is 10 mil.
- PT21

LOL, that is not correct at all. Where are you getting this from? If you are 2.2M under the cap at the trade deadline, the formula is the same for both teams. Cap accounting is done daily

LOL, that is not correct at all. Where are you getting this from? If you are 2.2M under the cap at the trade deadline, the formula is the same for both teams. Cap accounting is done daily
- MJL

Carelessness and laziness, is where

Carelessness and laziness, is where
- PT21

Nah, it comes from always thinking you're the smartest guy in the room syndrome. Needing to create a new mathematical formula for 1+1=2.

Nah, it comes from always thinking you're the smartest guy in the room syndrome. Needing to create a new mathematical formula for 1+1=2.
- MJL

Well MJL if you represent the room... 😀

Well MJL if you represent the room... 😀
- PT21

I represent the guy who understands how the cap works and is teaching it to you.

I represent the guy who understands how the cap works and is teaching it to you.

- MJL

Correct. You represent the guy who only understands how the cap works and is teaching it to me. ,🤗🤗

The Canes have plenty of offense to get to the final 4.

Your read that Aho and Svechnikov are not top end talent is on par with your opinion that McAvoy is not a top defenseman in this league.
- MJL

Dude go talk canes hockey over there...
Who cares you are the best GM move on....
Nobody here cares about the canes.
It was one phucking sentence and you make it a dissertation.
Get a life bro...