Im referring to the right to peacefully protest......which we saw all throughout the pandemic, be it BLM, or Antifa. The rules changed to illegally occupying when it goes against the orders of Trudeau. Im referring to truck drivers who sit alone in their cabs for days on end, who were told they could no longer sit alone in their trucks unless they got a vaccine that was not proven to stop the spread. Not only do I agree with their right to protest, but they were in fact right....as the mandates got lifted. Trudeau claimed the police were outnumbered and then declared the emergency act.......Chief of police in the hearings said that was never advised.....Trudeau just abused power.
The government was tracking peoples phones to see how many trips people were making to the liquor store. People were going door to door in Alberta and Ottawa to push the vaccine.
Im gonna go out on a limb and say that Trudeau was making money on the vaccine that we now know doesnt stop the spread.
- kindlyrick

First off, I too support the right to peacefully protest. Lets get that out of the way right off the hop.

But if I may be blunt, your brief assessment of the event is a gross oversimplification, nor is it entirely factual. While the “Freedom Convoy” certainly began as a peaceful protest, it quickly morphed into an absurd congregation of people with multiple motives, some of which had very little to do with “freedom”. It’s own original organizers freely admit this.

What’s more, you neglected to mention the curious circumstances concerning the funding the occupation received through crowd fund websites. The most glaring of which being the large number of donations coming from accounts outside of Canada. Nor do you mention the drunken behaviour displayed by many of the “protestors” (my own cousin said the affair was a “hell of a party”), nor how this affected local families and businesses. Though you did mention the liquor stores.

We do agree that the enactment of the Emergencies Act was an overreach so far as the local situation was concerned. That said, you neglected to mention the Alberta/Montana blockade, which was at serious risk of turning violent. Nor do you mention that the Emergencies Act was invoked to also crack down on said blockade, nor do mention the firepower seized as a result. A picture of which I’ve included below.



You also didn’t mention that small groups of radical individuals had infiltrated the blockade. I’ve included links so that you can read what their intentions were.

https://www.theglobeandma...r-officers-in-connection/

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6517101

As you can see, the situation was nowhere near as simple as you purport it to be. And while I myself have no love for Trudeau, I’ll not pretend that the “Freedom Convoy” and associated blockades shared none of the blame for the poop show that resulted.

A group of HCP’s just won a law suit in Chicago I believe and won. Northwell got sued a couple times and lost, they have hundreds of more lawsuits pending for Northwell alone. I played along and got vaxxed. Got mandated to get the booster. Got the booster. Then they lifted the mandate. Haven’t felt the same since I got that third shot.
- Cptmjl

I never got it. I was pressured at work to get it and I told them to fack off. A guy that I share an office with got multiple shots and caught it twice. He sits feet away from me and I haven't caught it once. If I did I was asymptomatic and didn't know it. Even worse every time he got the shot he was sick for two days. What's the point of taking a "vaccine" so you don't get sick if it makes you sick? Many other people in my office caught it as well, most of them vaxxed.

Calling it a vaccine should be criminal. It's false advertising.

First off, I too support the right to peacefully protest. Lets get that out of the way right off the hop.

But if I may be blunt, your brief assessment of the event is a gross oversimplification, nor is it entirely factual. While the “Freedom Convoy” certainly began as a peaceful protest, it quickly morphed into an absurd congregation of people with multiple motives, some of which had very little to do with “freedom”. It’s own original organizers freely admit this.

What’s more, you neglected to mention the curious circumstances concerning the funding the occupation received through crowd fund websites. The most glaring of which being the large number of donations coming from accounts outside of Canada. Nor do you mention the drunken behaviour displayed by many of the “protestors” (my own cousin said the affair was a “hell of a party”), nor how this affected local families and businesses. Though you did mention the liquor stores.

We do agree that the enactment of the Emergencies Act was an overreach so far as the local situation was concerned. That said, you neglected to mention the Alberta/Montana blockade, which was at serious risk of turning violent. Nor do you mention that the Emergencies Act was invoked to also crack down on said blockade, nor do mention the firepower seized as a result. A picture of which I’ve included below.



You also didn’t mention that small groups of radical individuals had infiltrated the blockade. I’ve included links so that you can read what their intentions were.

https://www.theglobeandma...r-officers-in-connection/

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6517101

As you can see, the situation was nowhere near as simple as you purport it to be. And while I myself have no love for Trudeau, I’ll not pretend that the “Freedom Convoy” and associated blockades shared none of the blame for the poop show that resulted.
- Wildschwein

We can go back and forth on this for hours on end. The bottom line was the protest was based on a mandate for people who sit alone in their trucks. Their livelihoods were compromised if they did not get the vaccine. Again, ill argue that peoples livelihoods are essential. We now know that the vaccine doesnt stop the spread. So now, instead of debating the protest being violent or what could have happened by 4 wackos, the fact of the matter is the protest had merit. Noone should have the right to stop you from working.
Funny, I didnt see anyone's bank accounts being frozen for anyone who donated to the riots in portland, chicago, minnesota, new york, california etc in the name of BLM or Antifa.
It was never about the trucker convoy being violent......it was everything to do with power, and not doing as you were told. Im still waiting for a real reason as to mandating a vaccine with no data, to those who sit alone in an 18 wheeler. Let us not overlook the reasoning behind this "unlawful" occupation of Ottawa.

I never got it. I was pressured at work to get it and I told them to fack off. A guy that I share an office with got multiple shots and caught it twice. He sits feet away from me and I haven't caught it once. If I did I was asymptomatic and didn't know it. Even worse every time he got the shot he was sick for two days. What's the point of taking a "vaccine" so you don't get sick if it makes you sick? Many other people in my office caught it as well, most of them vaxxed.

Calling it a vaccine should be criminal. It's false advertising.
- JimmyP

The concerted effort by the media, social media and the elites pushing a narrative are whats criminal. There was zero data on the vaccines, and yet they were mandated. Its criminal. If you were against the vaccine you were labeled a white supremacist, trump supporting deplorable, who was banned from social media for suggesting or sharing any link to a treatment of Covid that was not the vaccine. Now that we know that they were wrong about "get the vaccine and you wont get Covid".....now what? There's gonna be a lot of lawsuits...

We can go back and forth on this for hours on end. The bottom line was the protest was based on a mandate for people who sit alone in their trucks. Their livelihoods were compromised if they did not get the vaccine. Again, ill argue that peoples livelihoods are essential. We now know that the vaccine doesnt stop the spread. So now, instead of debating the protest being violent or what could have happened by 4 wackos, the fact of the matter is the protest had merit. No one should have the right to stop you from working.
Funny, I didnt see anyone's bank accounts being frozen for anyone who donated to the riots in portland, chicago, minnesota, new york, california etc in the name of BLM or Antifa.
It was never about the trucker convoy being violent......it was everything to do with power, and not doing as you were told. Im still waiting for a real reason as to mandating a vaccine with no data, to those who sit alone in an 18 wheeler. Let us not overlook the reasoning behind this "unlawful" occupation of Ottawa.
- kindlyrick

Agree completely with the bolded.

Where we disagree is whether the response was justified. You say no, I say not entirely.

What we both can probably agree on, is that if the original protestors had done a better job of policing their own ranks, then the response would've been entirely unjustified.

So we can just agree to amicably disagree.

That said, please don’t refer (even causally or just in passing) to the actions of the Canadian government in this situation as even remotely Hitler-esque, or Nazi-like. I’ve been to Dachau and Buchenwald. I’ve spoken to a holocaust survivor. Comparing the acts (even flippantly) of one to the other is wrong, and (I’d argue) disrespectful.

Agree completely with the bolded.

Where we disagree is whether the response was justified. You say no, I say not entirely.

What we both can probably agree on, is that if the original protestors had done a better job of policing their own ranks, then the response would've been entirely unjustified.

So we can just agree to amicably disagree.

That said, please don’t refer (even causally or just in passing) to the actions of the Canadian government in this situation as even remotely Hitler-esque, or Nazi-like. I’ve been to Dachau and Buchenwald. I’ve spoken to a holocaust survivor. Comparing the acts (even flippantly) of one to the other is wrong, and (I’d argue) disrespectful.
- Wildschwein

The reason for the protest was justified. Personally, id never go to any protest, but i'd imagine that they all would end up badly, with high levels of hostility. Telling people they will lose their jobs for not getting a vacccine is going to end poorly. Again, I didnt see the cities burning for an entire year drum up the same response by government officials. Instead, they were applauded under the auspices of fighting racism....while businesses and buildings were destroyed (police stations included).
I watched for 4 years Donald Trump being referenced to Hitler. I'd agree with your statement that its wrong and disrespectful to make light of Hitler in that reference. The reference to Nazi esque, was more in line with the one sided concerted effort of the media, social media and elites pushing a one sided narrative. None of the social media giants are elected officials, yet they controlled what we the people saw being posted. Trudeau falls on that one side.......its the side of Hubris, and dictating a mandate that was not nor is not accurate. We dont need to reference Dachau and Buchenwald as im a jew and im very aware of Germany/Poland in the 40s, and it started with controlling the narrative through the media.

The reason for the protest was justified. Personally, id never go to any protest, but i'd imagine that they all would end up badly, with high levels of hostility. Telling people they will lose their jobs for not getting a vacccine is going to end poorly. Again, I didnt see the cities burning for an entire year drum up the same response.
I watched for 4 years Donald Trump being referenced to Hitler. I'd agree with your statement that its wrong and disrespectful to make light of Hitler in that reference. The reference to Nazi esque, was more in line with the one sided concerted effort of the media, social media and elites pushing a one sided narrative. None of the social media giants are elected officials, yet they controlled what we the people saw being posted. Trudeau falls on that one side.......its the side of Hubris, and dictating a mandate that was not nor is not accurate. We dont need to reference Dachau and Buchenwald as im a jew and im very aware of Germany/Poland in the 40s, and it started with controlling the narrative through the media.
- kindlyrick

On this we also agree completely.

Thank you for keeping this discourse amicable kindlyrick. We don’t agree on everything, but I appreciate that we could each say our piece civilly.

On this we also agree completely.

Thank you for keeping this discourse amicable kindlyrick. We don’t agree on everything, but I appreciate that we could each say our piece civilly.
- Wildschwein

Always my man.....its called rational discourse. Something people forgot how to have. Mental illness is at all time highs....radicals on both sides are bananas. But, to be fair, i'd argue the far left liberals are probably against fighting in hockey so for that alone i lean right lol

Always my man.....its called rational discourse. Something people forgot how to have. Mental illness is at all time highs....radicals on both sides are bananas. But, to be fair, i'd argue the far left liberals are probably against fighting in hockey so for that alone i lean right lol
- kindlyrick

Today is the day!

Certainly not a fan of this guys site but he touches on maybe a center or Beau being moved which I think is becoming more possible the way this has dragged on…

https://nyihockeynow.com/...x7ttF32WMyff7NHak8mOTUNL0

Certainly not a fan of this guys site but he touches on maybe a center or Beau being moved which I think is becoming more possible the way this has dragged on…

https://nyihockeynow.com/...x7ttF32WMyff7NHak8mOTUNL0
- Cptmjl

If Lou trades Pageau, I’m gonna… well I’m gonna be quite upset.

Today is the day!
- Cptmjl

Now is this a good thing, or a bad thing?

Certainly not a fan of this guys site but he touches on maybe a center or Beau being moved which I think is becoming more possible the way this has dragged on…

https://nyihockeynow.com/...x7ttF32WMyff7NHak8mOTUNL0
- Cptmjl

Hate to see Beau traded just for a salary dump. We can say Beau is frustrating and the player is mostly to blame. It's still a failure on the team not bringing out the best in a player. The idea of needing to add a #1 to move Bailey is brutal.

On this we also agree completely.

Thank you for keeping this discourse amicable kindlyrick. We don’t agree on everything, but I appreciate that we could each say our piece civilly.
- Wildschwein

Aha!!! You're not actually Canadian! You had the amicable and civil part down, but you did not apologize for disagreeing with him.

Hate to see Beau traded just for a salary dump. We can say Beau is frustrating and the player is mostly to blame. It's still a failure on the team not bringing out the best in a player. The idea of needing to add a #1 to move Bailey is brutal.
- ses111

If Beau goes, then it's obvious that he has more value than Bailey. I would prefer they try to develop Beau more and see what happens. Then if he doesn't improve, trade him. Of course by then other teams will know didn't live up to potential and his value will have been diminished.

If Beau goes, then it's obvious that he has more value than Bailey. I would prefer they try to develop Beau more and see what happens. Then if he doesn't improve, trade him. Of course by then other teams will know didn't live up to potential and his value will have been diminished.
- Isleshockeyman

Just very funny that Bailey the player that cannot be called out or benched has very little value and it's a younger player that may need to be moved.

Now is this a good thing, or a bad thing?
- Wildschwein

Yes

Just very funny that Bailey the player that cannot be called out or benched has very little value and it's a younger player that may need to be moved.
- ses111

I think Josh Bailey still has value, and I do believe his development was hindered by having a fantasy hockey guru become GM for 12 years. I think Baileys peak value is at the dealine before the playoffs, when teams are injured or loading up to make a run.

Just very funny that Bailey the player that cannot be called out or benched has very little value and it's a younger player that may need to be moved.
- ses111

Let’s not fool ourselves Beau doesn’t have much value either or he would be gone already. Its just that he most likely has a little more trade value then Bailey does whose value is negative.

If Lou trades Pageau, I’m gonna… well I’m gonna be quite upset.
- Wildschwein

Does Lou really trade a guy that he just gave up a first for

Why anyone cares, whether it’s the NHL, or otherwise, if a player is vaxxed is beyond me. I don’t think anyone needs anymore proof if it prevents the spread. It doesn’t. The second part yeah that’s not good
- Cptmjl

I don't personally give a poop, but he'd be ineligible to play in Canada unless he had a change of heart

Does Lou really trade a guy that he just gave up a first for
- kindlyrick

If he has too yes imo. I said this a while back on here. He very well may be the odd man out if we’re signing Kadri. If he trades Nelson or Barzal he’s completely out of his mind and if can’t dump Bailey or Beau OR doesn’t want to move any of his centers to wing(not saying this is THE issue of course)to a lesser extent Pageau is the only “logical” choice. I don’t agree with it in any way and think it would be a bad move but it’s possible.

I agree and there is no reason for Lou to play Dr. Fauci.
- ses111

I agree with all stated about the Vaccine idiocy... but you can't really blame Lou. they literally would not let the guy in Canada for games without being Vaccinated.

I don't personally give a poop, but he'd be ineligible to play in Canada unless he had a change of heart
- eichiefs9

Yeah I know just completely moronic at this point imo.