Rangers are better than Pens in every aspect. Better offensively..defensively and in net...the advantage the Pens had was in experience by a longshot...Rangers have closed that gap after last year. Pens had their run and it was a great one but they are on their last legs.
- hfc355

Rangers had no answer for the Crosby line, against a 3rd string AHL goaltender then Crosby got hurt. The Rangers deserved to win the series but they were not the better team. They are very mediocre 5 on 5 (And that's being nice), Panarin and Kreider disappear at times for long stretches, they rely way to much on their goalie and the loss of Copp, Vatrano ect... will be felt. My father, brother in law and best friend are all die hard Rags fans and these are there words pretty much verbatim

He can't. They lock him down there to keep him away from other people.
- Rinosaur

Typical Pens fan..clueless

Wow, that's original. Pens fans are so damn witty!

- Phillywhiteout

Go ear rape yourself to Nickelback

Typical Pens fan..clueless
- hfc355

Trouba won you the series. If you didn't see that, then you are the clueless one who doesn't watch hockey. Again have a nice summer.

Trouba won you the series. If you didn't see that, then you are the clueless one who doesn't watch hockey. Again have a nice summer.
- 668710

Every fan base has trolls and homers with zero perspective, but some Ranger fans seem to have an inferiority complex when it comes to the Penguins. I listen to boomer Esiason every morning (who i usually like btw)... he's still complaining about the Kappo non goal and was calling for Gallant to be fired after game 4 because in quotes "he has no system". The same fans still argue 30 years later that the "graves slash on Mario was legal and a good hockey play.... They don't talk about Washington, the illes, the flyers and the devils the same way...

Go ear rape yourself to Nickelback
- 668710

That was so wonderfully random lol

Every fan base has trolls and homers with zero perspective, but some Ranger fans seem to have an inferiority complex when it comes to the Penguins. I listen to boomer Esiason every morning (who i usually like btw)... he's still complaining about the Kappo non goal and was calling for Gallant to be fired after game 4 because in quotes "he has no system". The same fans still argue 30 years later that the "graves slash on Mario was legal and a good hockey play.... They don't talk about Washington, the illes, the flyers and the devils the same way...
- Brianandr1

Ranger fans keep a tally of everything that's happened since 1967 to use against everyone anytime they commit something wrong.

Trouba elbows in Sid in the head? Ranger fan response: "In 1987, Doug Bodger hit Brian Leetch in the face when he was about to score a goal and there was no call!"

Ranger fans keep a tally of everything that's happened since 1967 to use against everyone anytime they commit something wrong.

Trouba elbows in Sid in the head? Ranger fan response: "In 1987, Doug Bodger hit Brian Leetch in the face when he was about to score a goal and there was no call!"
- Rinosaur

That's nothing; TML have a day of mourning for the non call on Gretzky.

That's nothing; TML have a day of mourning for the non call on Gretzky.
- jmatchett383

They're not much different than Ranger fans. Fans of both clubs play the victim/conspiracy card all day long.

Every fan base has trolls and homers with zero perspective, but some Ranger fans seem to have an inferiority complex when it comes to the Penguins. I listen to boomer Esiason every morning (who i usually like btw)... he's still complaining about the Kappo non goal and was calling for Gallant to be fired after game 4 because in quotes "he has no system". The same fans still argue 30 years later that the "graves slash on Mario was legal and a good hockey play.... They don't talk about Washington, the illes, the flyers and the devils the same way...
- Brianandr1

The should have one because they are been rooting for an inferior team for a long while.

Look at all the HOF players the Pens' fans have been able to cheer for going on 4 decades. The great seasons, 5 Stanley Cup Championships. A Pens' player has lead the season in scoring 15 different times. How many times someone for the Rangers ever done that? ZERO!

So, the smallest edge the Rangers get on the Pens, their fans are running with it!

The should have one because they are been rooting for an inferior team for a long while.

Look at all the HOF players the Pens' fans have been able to cheer for going on 4 decades. The great seasons, 5 Stanley Cup Championships. A Pens' player has lead the season in scoring 15 different times. How many times someone for the Rangers ever done that? ZERO!

So, the smallest edge the Rangers get on the Pens, their fans are running with it!
- stevens87

They have a special hatred and jealousy of Pittsburgh, living here i hear it all the time. They dont even talk about the Devils and Illes (Who you would think they hate more!) like this. On a hockey note, im not sure what the Rags are in 2022-23. They really only have 4 of their top 6 in place, unless were assuming Goodrow is top 6, or lafrieniere is going to step up. Will Igor be as great next year? Trotchek helps with face offs and 5 on 5... and this russian kid has yet to play in the NHL... losing Vatranao and Copp is huge! I give the Rags credit they had a great run last year, but are they really better then Carolina? Pittsburgh? Healthy Illes? and aging but still good Washington team?

That was so wonderfully random lol
- Rinosaur

I gave him something somewhat unoriginal, he asked for it lol

Honest question: how good is Petry? Any player comparison? Pelech? McDonough? Jiri Slegr or Kevin Hatcher?lol

I somehow see him as a Pacioretty on D. That’s the kind of level I see in him.

Honest question: how good is Petry? Any player comparison? Pelech? McDonough? Jiri Slegr or Kevin Hatcher?lol

I somehow see him as a Pacioretty on D. That’s the kind of level I see in him.
- Barnaby36

Well he's not Letang, however if we lost him to free agency Petry was the guy I wanted. So I'm super happy to have both haha.

Honest question: how good is Petry? Any player comparison? Pelech? McDonough? Jiri Slegr or Kevin Hatcher?lol

I somehow see him as a Pacioretty on D. That’s the kind of level I see in him.
- Barnaby36

Paciotetty is still quietly one of the best goal scorers in the league. I don’t think Petry is elite at any particular thing but he’s a high end top 4 guy that is capable of being a lower end but effective 1D. Having him as our 2RD is a pretty nice luxury. Upgrade over Matheson as our 2D in my opinion, but I think there’s plenty of argument to be had that we needlessly made our left side super week to facilitate an upgrade we didn’t really need and tied cap that should have been used for forwards

Trouba won you the series. If you didn't see that, then you are the clueless one who doesn't watch hockey. Again have a nice summer.
- 668710

Yeah. Why the Pens don’t have a Trouba is mind Boggling. Trouba basically just does what he wants. poop in todays NHL it would be easy as poop to just go hurt guys. That’s what this team needs. And Malkin could score more goals than Jeff Carter in a playoff series. That would help too considering that’s what he’s paid for.

Rangers had no answer for the Crosby line, against a 3rd string AHL goaltender then Crosby got hurt. The Rangers deserved to win the series but they were not the better team. They are very mediocre 5 on 5 (And that's being nice), Panarin and Kreider disappear at times for long stretches, they rely way to much on their goalie and the loss of Copp, Vatrano ect... will be felt. My father, brother in law and best friend are all die hard Rags fans and these are there words pretty much verbatim
- Brianandr1

Umm. I think they had an answer for the Crosby line. Haha.

Umm. I think they had an answer for the Crosby line. Haha.
- Grinder47

I think they meant while he was playing haha. But yea they took care of that eventually.

Paciotetty is still quietly one of the best goal scorers in the league. I don’t think Petry is elite at any particular thing but he’s a high end top 4 guy that is capable of being a lower end but effective 1D. Having him as our 2RD is a pretty nice luxury. Upgrade over Matheson as our 2D in my opinion, but I think there’s plenty of argument to be had that we needlessly made our left side super week to facilitate an upgrade we didn’t really need and tied cap that should have been used for forwards
- Victoro311

There's a few what-ifs at play here. Before JR traded for Matheson, most people here agreed that Dumo-Pettersson-Riikola/POJ would have been a solid left side, so while I actually became quite a fan of Matheson, I don't think the left side suffered.

The first what-if is Dumo. I don't think any rational person thinks he can bounce back to four years ago, but being healthy should certainly let him perform better than last season. That said, if it had nothing to do with injury and this is the new Dumo? then yes, losing MM hurts the left side.

I was also a BIG fan of Marino, but while Petry isn't as good defensively as Marino, he's a huge upgrade offensively over Marino, and you can argue an upgrade over Matheson in terms of who can fill in for Letang during injury.

I think the net effect to the defense has been an improvement and I'm not including Rutta in this.

There's a few what-ifs at play here. Before JR traded for Matheson, most people here agreed that Dumo-Pettersson-Riikola/POJ would have been a solid left side, so while I actually became quite a fan of Matheson, I don't think the left side suffered.

The first what-if is Dumo. I don't think any rational person thinks he can bounce back to four years ago, but being healthy should certainly let him perform better than last season. That said, if it had nothing to do with injury and this is the new Dumo? then yes, losing MM hurts the left side.

I was also a BIG fan of Marino, but while Petry isn't as good defensively as Marino, he's a huge upgrade offensively over Marino, and you can argue an upgrade over Matheson in terms of who can fill in for Letang during injury.

I think the net effect to the defense has been an improvement and I'm not including Rutta in this.
- Rinosaur

Agree with this. My big question is can Dumo gold the #2 spot down. Pettersson is a capable #4, vanilla but he's fine in that role. Smith and POJ are IMO the team's 2 best NHL ready prospects so I like the odds of one being at least a third pair guy and possibly pushing higher as the year goes on.

I'm worried about Petry bouncing back but then again I worried about Matheson regressing. Petry at least has a long track record of success and if last year was an aberration and not the beginnings of decline he's a strong #3.

Agree with this. My big question is can Dumo gold the #2 spot down. Pettersson is a capable #4, vanilla but he's fine in that role. Smith and POJ are IMO the team's 2 best NHL ready prospects so I like the odds of one being at least a third pair guy and possibly pushing higher as the year goes on.

I'm worried about Petry bouncing back but then again I worried about Matheson regressing. Petry at least has a long track record of success and if last year was an aberration and not the beginnings of decline he's a strong #3.
- Tojo.

If Dumo is 50% better than he was last year I have no worries about him. I'm sure we'll see POJ and Smith swapped in and out throughout the season. When Dumo leaves after this season I'm sure they'll both be in the lineup unless they blow it.

I'm not worried about Petry. He's not a true #1 and was the #1 on an abysmal team. He probably will only see 2nd PP time, so I wouldn't expect big numbers, but I think he'll surely do better than last year. I really have no concerns about the defense. Rutta is so completely unnecessary, but I'm sure he's going to flourish on a 3rd pairing role.

My real concern is the bottom six scoring. My hopes are that Carter sucked the second half of the year because he was playing too far out of his role for his age because of Geno missing half the year, and that in a more controlled role he'll be better and that Zucker sees some positive regression in the scoring department.

Agree with this. My big question is can Dumo gold the #2 spot down. Pettersson is a capable #4, vanilla but he's fine in that role. Smith and POJ are IMO the team's 2 best NHL ready prospects so I like the odds of one being at least a third pair guy and possibly pushing higher as the year goes on.

I'm worried about Petry bouncing back but then again I worried about Matheson regressing. Petry at least has a long track record of success and if last year was an aberration and not the beginnings of decline he's a strong #3.
- Tojo.

Petry was going through some stuff with not being able to get to family easily with them being in America. He'll be good to go.

If Dumo is 50% better than he was last year I have no worries about him. I'm sure we'll see POJ and Smith swapped in and out throughout the season. When Dumo leaves after this season I'm sure they'll both be in the lineup unless they blow it.

I'm not worried about Petry. He's not a true #1 and was the #1 on an abysmal team. He probably will only see 2nd PP time, so I wouldn't expect big numbers, but I think he'll surely do better than last year. I really have no concerns about the defense. Rutta is so completely unnecessary, but I'm sure he's going to flourish on a 3rd pairing role.

My real concern is the bottom six scoring. My hopes are that Carter sucked the second half of the year because he was playing too far out of his role for his age because of Geno missing half the year, and that in a more controlled role he'll be better and that Zucker sees some positive regression in the scoring department.
- Rinosaur

Yea I agree with Carter, if he's going into the top 6 it cant be anything more than a winger. But hopefully he never has to go to the top 6.

There's a few what-ifs at play here. Before JR traded for Matheson, most people here agreed that Dumo-Pettersson-Riikola/POJ would have been a solid left side, so while I actually became quite a fan of Matheson, I don't think the left side suffered.

The first what-if is Dumo. I don't think any rational person thinks he can bounce back to four years ago, but being healthy should certainly let him perform better than last season. That said, if it had nothing to do with injury and this is the new Dumo? then yes, losing MM hurts the left side.

I was also a BIG fan of Marino, but while Petry isn't as good defensively as Marino, he's a huge upgrade offensively over Marino, and you can argue an upgrade over Matheson in terms of who can fill in for Letang during injury.

I think the net effect to the defense has been an improvement and I'm not including Rutta in this.
- Rinosaur

I wanted the 1st pairing to be Matheson/Letang. They were playing well together.

That said I won't lose any sleep with Dumoulin back with Letang. He had a down year but I bet he'll be much better next year. He's always been rock solid for us. Nothing flashy about his game.

Petry was going through some stuff with not being able to get to family easily with them being in America. He'll be good to go.
- 668710

Thanks, HockeyyInsiderr haha Remember this guy from 2-3 years ago? On trade deadline he'd show up on twitter talking like he knew it all