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Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Aug 12 @ 12:15 AM ET
This has been brought up before and while I don't dispute his skill set, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to use that skill at wing.

My reasons for not wanting Krebs at centre is that for the moment, he looks totally lost without the puck. Every line he's played on gets caved in defensively. He's 21, so this could change as soon as this year, but for now I need him to put together 10 games of not getting crushed at 5v5 before I could entertain the idea that he's a full time centre.

- Michael Ghofrani


If you are concerned about Krebs being lost at the age of 20 into 21 years old this season

Then you should be very worried about Tage. I get he had almost 40 goals. But some games I’ve watch in person thinking he sucks at center and then he pots 2 goals. Most people and the media will think he had a good game.

We are about to pay tage 7x7 to suck at playing center
Michael Ghofrani
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.14.2020

Aug 12 @ 12:36 AM ET
If you are concerned about Krebs being lost at the age of 20 into 21 years old this season

Then you should be very worried about Tage. I get he had almost 40 goals. But some games I’ve watch in person thinking he sucks at center and then he pots 2 goals. Most people and the media will think he had a good game.

We are about to pay tage 7x7 to suck at playing center

- Sabretooth9


Im worried about tage's off puck play too, but if he maintains the shooting talent and plays with someone like Asplund or Tuch, the line as a whole should be able to excel at 5v5.

Tage's case is different in that the move to centre allowed him the space to utilize his shot. Im not sure that's the case with Krebs, but I don't know.
Michael Ghofrani
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.14.2020

Aug 12 @ 12:38 AM ET
In fairness, that describes at least half their forwards last year. It's a real problem.
- Lunaion


It does, and it is, but he was the worst of that bunch. If his talent is legit though he really only needs to elevate his defensive game just enough that it's not horrible and let his playmaking drive his value.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Aug 12 @ 4:45 AM ET
https://youtu.be/pzG4BJrt00E
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Aug 12 @ 4:46 AM ET
If you are concerned about Krebs being lost at the age of 20 into 21 years old this season

Then you should be very worried about Tage. I get he had almost 40 goals. But some games I’ve watch in person thinking he sucks at center and then he pots 2 goals. Most people and the media will think he had a good game.

We are about to pay tage 7x7 to suck at playing center

- Sabretooth9


What's your solution to Tage then?

Are you not signing him long term?

Are you not signing him at all?

Trading him?
MLew65
Buffalo Sabres
Location: hamburg, NY
Joined: 01.23.2013

Aug 12 @ 7:33 AM ET
As far as Buffalo Sabres property in net, You can’t hang your hat on anyone not signed. Comries it and I wouldn’t be surprised that he makes things hard for the Sabres brass.
You all talk like Levi & Portillo are the final pieces in net to take us to the promised land (I’ll call it the double Dom effect) along with the gods of defense, Owen Powers & Rasmussen Dahlin, on offense the tower of Buffalo, Tage Thompson, “get rid of him” goaloffson, along with the holy resurrections of Jeff Skinner and Kyle Okposo (someone should be up for sainthood, who is it?).

This teams gonna be the dark buffalo of the league.

Chips Savoie!





Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Aug 12 @ 7:47 AM ET
Ostlund and Kulich with big games.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Aug 12 @ 8:24 AM ET
Im worried about tage's off puck play too, but if he maintains the shooting talent and plays with someone like Asplund or Tuch, the line as a whole should be able to excel at 5v5.

Tage's case is different in that the move to centre allowed him the space to utilize his shot. Im not sure that's the case with Krebs, but I don't know.

- Michael Ghofrani


Even with Tuch on RW that top line got outplayed at 5v5 more often then not,

Ideally they are a second line that gets heavy o-zone usage and favourable lineups as Skinner and Tage are only effective in 1/3 of the ice.

Unless Tage improves defensively this year which he undoubtedly has to for that line to work
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Aug 12 @ 8:51 AM ET
Im worried about tage's off puck play too, but if he maintains the shooting talent and plays with someone like Asplund or Tuch, the line as a whole should be able to excel at 5v5.

Tage's case is different in that the move to centre allowed him the space to utilize his shot. Im not sure that's the case with Krebs, but I don't know.

- Michael Ghofrani


Even with Tuch on RW that top line got outplayed at 5v5 more often then not,

Ideally they are a second line that gets heavy o-zone usage and favourable lineups as Skinner and Tage are only effective in 1/3 of the ice.

Unless Tage improves defensively this year which he undoubtedly has to for that line to work
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Aug 12 @ 8:54 AM ET
Even with Tuch on RW that top line got outplayed at 5v5 more often then not,

Ideally they are a second line that gets heavy o-zone usage and favourable lineups as Skinner and Tage are only effective in 1/3 of the ice.

Unless Tage improves defensively this year which he undoubtedly has to for that line to work

- Pegullaville

I actually thought Skinner did a decent job of back checking last year. That line was already getting almost 70% Ozone starts, can't get much more.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Aug 12 @ 8:56 AM ET
I actually thought Skinner did a decent job of back checking last year. That line was already getting almost 70% Ozone starts, can't get much more.
- Buff36


Overplaying LOG feels like it's been a 10 year problem for them, with no sign of anything changing.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Aug 12 @ 9:07 AM ET
Overplaying LOG feels like it's been a 10 year problem for them, with no sign of anything changing.
- Lunaion

Good Post, Donnie wants to play a uptempo game, let that line do what they do. I am a big D proponent, that's why I wanted a few of those guys in the draft. Sabres are gonna score some goals, can there D play sound enough D to prevent enough.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Aug 12 @ 9:08 AM ET
I actually thought Skinner did a decent job of back checking last year. That line was already getting almost 70% Ozone starts, can't get much more.
- Buff36


Skinner's problem has always been the brain cramps on defense. The one thing Kruger got right was nailing him to the bench in overtime.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Aug 12 @ 9:25 AM ET
Skinner's problem has always been the brain cramps on defense. The one thing Kruger got right was nailing him to the bench in overtime.
- Slump Buster


He wasn't all bad. He knew to pull VO off the top line in close games too.

At some point, they have to find another capable two-way line. Probably starts with Cozens.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Aug 12 @ 9:35 AM ET
Overplaying LOG feels like it's been a 10 year problem for them, with no sign of anything changing.
- Lunaion


Correct statement, but I bet we feel differently about the loG's playing time.

Still a very young inexperienced group of players.

Having a solid 4th line helps this team stay fresh
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Aug 12 @ 9:44 AM ET
Overplaying LOG feels like it's been a 10 year problem for them, with no sign of anything changing.
- Lunaion


If Asplund is on one of the top 3 lines again, the hope is he helps his line at least be neutral defensively, which would then give you a solid line defensively along with the LOG line doing what they do.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Aug 12 @ 9:47 AM ET
Correct statement, but I bet we feel differently about the loG's playing time.

Still a very young inexperienced group of players.

Having a solid 4th line helps this team stay fresh

- Boss34


Having a strong 4th line is a great help to the team, but you need at least one other line to be good defensively, if not two, to try and help your team not get caved in on the road when the opposing team can set the matchups in their favor.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Aug 12 @ 9:50 AM ET
When you add Krebs and somewhat Olofsson into the equation there are a lot of Defensive liabilities throughout the top 9. And Mitts ain't exactly top notch. Are D will need to hold up and I don't think we have the depth there yet for that.
Michael Ghofrani
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.14.2020

Aug 12 @ 9:56 AM ET
Even with Tuch on RW that top line got outplayed at 5v5 more often then not,

Ideally they are a second line that gets heavy o-zone usage and favourable lineups as Skinner and Tage are only effective in 1/3 of the ice.

Unless Tage improves defensively this year which he undoubtedly has to for that line to work

- Pegullaville


The line's XG% for the year was 52.5% which is pretty good even before factoring in the shooting talent.

They had their weaknesses for sure, but as long as it hovers around 50 and Tage still brings the shot it should be fine as one of the top 6 lines.

That being said, he looked much better at 5v5 with Asplund on his wing so it wouldn't surprise me if that's how it starts this season.
Michael Ghofrani
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.14.2020

Aug 12 @ 9:57 AM ET
When you add Krebs and somewhat Olofsson into the equation there are a lot of Defensive liabilities throughout the top 9. And Mitts ain't exactly top notch. Are D will need to hold up and I don't think we have the depth there yet for that.
- Buff36


Im really surprised they didn't add a defensive C. Gives you a lot of flexibility and prevents any one line from getting crushed. Hopefully something they look at next summer.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Aug 12 @ 10:02 AM ET
Im really surprised they didn't add a defensive C. Gives you a lot of flexibility and prevents any one line from getting crushed. Hopefully something they look at next summer.
- Michael Ghofrani

Adams is really playing out the development card and hopefully some of these guys taking that next step. Hopefully it works, but not bringing in help can also hurt and sometimes destroy development.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Aug 12 @ 10:06 AM ET
Im really surprised they didn't add a defensive C. Gives you a lot of flexibility and prevents any one line from getting crushed. Hopefully something they look at next summer.
- Michael Ghofrani


They knew they needed one, but prioritized bringing Vinny back. Makes you question the decision making process.

When LOG struggles on faceoffs, it's not going to be as effective.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Aug 12 @ 10:08 AM ET
The line's XG% for the year was 52.5% which is pretty good even before factoring in the shooting talent.

They had their weaknesses for sure, but as long as it hovers around 50 and Tage still brings the shot it should be fine as one of the top 6 lines.

That being said, he looked much better at 5v5 with Asplund on his wing so it wouldn't surprise me if that's how it starts this season.

- Michael Ghofrani


Tuch fixes a line and Asplund fixes a line. One is SOL.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Aug 12 @ 10:10 AM ET
Having a strong 4th line is a great help to the team, but you need at least one other line to be good defensively, if not two, to try and help your team not get caved in on the road when the opposing team can set the matchups in their favor.
- kingcong39


I think this is a very reasonable statement, especially road matchups.

Cozens should help, asplund is a selke guy 😉
Michael Ghofrani
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.14.2020

Aug 12 @ 10:12 AM ET
They knew they needed one, but prioritized bringing Vinny back. Makes you question the decision making process.

When LOG struggles on faceoffs, it's not going to be as effective.

- Lunaion



The decision that worries me more is their refusal to move Mittelstadt to the wing to make room for a centre.

But yeah they seem to be betting a lot on the collective faceoff numbers improving enough to offset the loss.

Even under a tight budget it's fair to ask why they dropped 6+ million on olofsson and VH with the winger depth they have instead of a centre.
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