From March on (Sabres wins and Anderson in net only)

Anderson GA(S%): @TOR .967(1), MIN .879(4), VGS .968(1), TOR .944(2), @VAN .938(2), PIT .885(3), NSH .880(3), CAR .941(2), @TOR .923(2), PHI .857(3), NJD .935(2)

I see MIN. PIT, NSH, and PHI aren't great, but he gave up 3 against in the 3 games. 7 games of .923 or higher out of 11.

Yeah, totally except no.
- SDSabre

now do the loses....

Just asking the question. Never know how camp will go and if everyone is healthy. I think Anderson goes in as #1.
- Lunaion

And I guess we'll see. I'm not trying to be the "What would you have done so spectacularly guys" but honest question right back, what would have been a better realistic outcome.

Maybe I'm just in an optimistic mood because of the end of the year and will fall right back into despair around Thanksgiving.

I actually have some good players I would be willing to dump
- TheSabresTaco

👍

Appreciate the gesture

now do the loses....
- ImThatGuy

Sure, I mentioned before he's really good or really bad. The question at hand was did the team pull him to all of those wins. Data says no. The loses:

Anderson S%(GA): FLA .806(6), @EDM .833(6), @NYR (OTL) .839(5), WPG .926(2), @CAR .871(4), @TBL .821(5), STL .815(5)

7 Ls, with 6 being clunkers post March. Would think that 11 Ws with 1 clunker and 7 Ls and 1 solid are decent enough for a guy who should be the backup.

now do the loses....
- ImThatGuy

Some ugly numbers below.

3/7 Loss to Panthers GA 6 .806%
3/17 Loss to Oilers GA 6 .833%
3/27 Loss to Rangers GA 5 .839%
3/30 Loss to Winnipeg GA 2 .926%
4/7 Loss to Hurricanes GA 4 .871%
4/10 Loss to Tampa GA 5 .821%
4/14 Loss to Blues GA 5 .815%

https://www.hockey-refere.../a/andercr01/gamelog/2022

From March on (Sabres wins and Anderson in net only)

Anderson GA(S%): @TOR .967(1), MIN .879(4), VGS .968(1), TOR .944(2), @VAN .938(2), PIT .885(3), NSH .880(3), CAR .941(2), @TOR .923(2), PHI .857(3), NJD .935(2)

I see MIN. PIT, NSH, and PHI aren't great, but he gave up 3 against in the 3 games. 7 games of .923 or higher out of 11.

Yeah, totally except no.
- SDSabre

Anderson had the worst goals saved above average in the entire league from March 1st till the end of the season.

Anderson had the worst goals saved above average in the entire league from March 1st till the end of the season.
- Michael Ghofrani

And as I mentioned already, those are inflated by his bad games. Which he had 7 of. Out of 18. When he’s bad, he’s bad. That's why this particular fancy stat is dubious when considering goalies imo. One bad game, and everyone has them, really tanks you.

And I guess we'll see. I'm not trying to be the "What would you have done so spectacularly guys" but honest question right back, what would have been a better realistic outcome.

Maybe I'm just in an optimistic mood because of the end of the year and will fall right back into despair around Thanksgiving.
- SDSabre

I think the reality is that they are treading water waiting for Levi. Rooting for him, but it's a big gamble. Feels like they are waiting until 24/25 to make a real effort.

Detroit traded for Nedeljkovic and Husso in back to back years. NJ traded for Vanecek. Ottawa traded for Talbot. There were decent trade options available to them, but they cost assets and require a bigger commitment (except Talbot).

I think the reality is that they are treading water waiting for Levi. Rooting for him, but it's a big gamble. Feels like they are waiting until 24/25 to make a real effort.

Detroit traded for Nedeljkovic and Husso in back to back years. NJ traded for Vanecek. Ottawa traded for Talbot. There were decent trade options available to them, but they cost assets and require a bigger commitment (except Talbot).
- Lunaion

Eric Comrie come on down. Ville Husso was bad prior to last season. Had similar stats to Comrie (double the games, but also on a better defensive team in STL) Nedeljkovic had a worse year by far then Anderson. Vanecek was ok, and might blossom. Talbot is really the only one that makes even a mild upgrade that Buffalo didn't get. All the others are either on par or worse than Comrie right now.

And as I mentioned already, those are inflated by his bad games. Which he had 7 of. Out of 18. When he’s bad, he’s bad. That's why this particular fancy stat is dubious when considering goalies imo. One bad game, and everyone has them, really tanks you.
- SDSabre

40 year olds shouldn't play back to back. And he shouldn't have to this year with Comrie and UPL.

I think the reality is that they are treading water waiting for Levi. Rooting for him, but it's a big gamble. Feels like they are waiting until 24/25 to make a real effort.

Detroit traded for Nedeljkovic and Husso in back to back years. NJ traded for Vanecek. Ottawa traded for Talbot. There were decent trade options available to them, but they cost assets and require a bigger commitment (except Talbot).
- Lunaion

Something Something 14yrs

And as I mentioned already, those are inflated by his bad games. Which he had 7 of. Out of 18. When he’s bad, he’s bad. That's why this particular fancy stat is dubious when considering goalies imo. One bad game, and everyone has them, really tanks you.
- SDSabre

This doesn't make it an inflated stat though. "When he's bad, he's bad" is another way of saying that his floor or downside is really low, much lower than his upside. If it were a case of him putting up strong numbers most games and then a stinker once every 2 weeks or something, that would be reflected in his numbers (the good outweighing the bad).

What they got out of him was, when they played really well in front of him, he didn't give the game away, made the saves you would expect an NHL goaltender to make. And when they didn't, well...yeah. Its not a case of him stealing some games and having some bad ones.

Sure, I mentioned before he's really good or really bad. The question at hand was did the team pull him to all of those wins. Data says no. The loses:

Anderson S%(GA): FLA .806(6), @EDM .833(6), @NYR (OTL) .839(5), WPG .926(2), @CAR .871(4), @TBL .821(5), STL .815(5)

7 Ls, with 6 being clunkers post March. Would think that 11 Ws with 1 clunker and 7 Ls and 1 solid are decent enough for a guy who should be the backup.
- SDSabre

Those are all clunkers aside from the Jets game.

Anderson had 14 quality starts and 7 really bad starts.

Kotarski had 13 and 7. Hell, the dude went almost 5 and a half years between NHL starts he was so bad.

They're both dogpoop and should not be on an NHL roster.

Eric Comrie come on down. Ville Husso was bad prior to last season. Had similar stats to Comrie (double the games, but also on a better defensive team in STL) Nedeljkovic had a worse year by far then Anderson. Vanecek was ok, and might blossom. Talbot is really the only one that makes even a mild upgrade that Buffalo didn't get. All the others are either on par or worse than Comrie right now.
- SDSabre

I'd prefer all of them to Anderson.

Comrie is an unknown, he could easily go either way. All of the others have a stronger history, and clearly the market values them much higher.

This doesn't make it an inflated stat though. "When he's bad, he's bad" is another way of saying that his floor or downside is really low, much lower than his upside. If it were a case of him putting up strong numbers most games and then a stinker once every 2 weeks or something, that would be reflected in his numbers (the good outweighing the bad).

What they got out of him was, when they played really well in front of him, he didn't give the game away, made the saves you would expect an NHL goaltender to make. And when they didn't, well...yeah. Its not a case of him stealing some games and having some bad ones.
- Michael Ghofrani

The guys 40. He's serviceable if he doesn't have to have a heavy workload.

Something Something 14yrs
- Buff36

Sorry to break it to you 36, none of the guys mentioned above move the needle any further than Comrie, most are significantly worse, and some are definitely worse then Anderson. Det trades for Nedeljkovic, he posts .901 3.31 in 59 GP. Talbot got benched for an ancient in his own right, Fluery. Husso might be something, he's not much different in terms of potential then Comrie. Vanecek couldn't decide if he wanted to be good or not, and didn't even get a QO. Are these the guys we are really lamenting not getting?

Edit: Was thinking Samsonov for Vanecek, but the not deciding if he wanted to be good or not still pertains.

The guys 40. He's serviceable if he doesn't have to have a heavy workload.
- DirtyDan

He hurt the team more than he helped. He's here cause for the moment, nobody else wants to be.

This doesn't make it an inflated stat though. "When he's bad, he's bad" is another way of saying that his floor or downside is really low, much lower than his upside. If it were a case of him putting up strong numbers most games and then a stinker once every 2 weeks or something, that would be reflected in his numbers (the good outweighing the bad).

What they got out of him was, when they played really well in front of him, he didn't give the game away, made the saves you would expect an NHL goaltender to make. And when they didn't, well...yeah. Its not a case of him stealing some games and having some bad ones.
- Michael Ghofrani

It's a flawed stat to look at a season on the whole (or a chunk of games). It really is. If you can get -3 in one game, but most likely not be able to get +3 the next game to balance it out, to me it's disingenuous to look at the whole when looking at a goalie. You are more than welcome to think otherwise. And I don't know why I feel the need to reiterate, but he shouldn't be the starter. If he's getting the bulk of the games, Buffalo is in trouble. But if he gets an odd game every now and again, he's not gonna kill you.

He hurt the team more than he helped. He's here cause for the moment, nobody else wants to be.
- Michael Ghofrani

The tough thing for me to accept was the need to sign him before the off-season really got started.

Sorry to break it to you 36, none of the guys mentioned above move the needle any further than Comrie, most are significantly worse, and some are definitely worse then Anderson. Det trades for Nedeljkovic, he posts .901 3.31 in 59 GP. Talbot got benched for an ancient in his own right, Fluery. Husso might be something, he's not much different in terms of potential then Comrie. Vanecek couldn't decide if he wanted to be good or not, and didn't even get a QO. Are these the guys we are really lamenting not getting?
- SDSabre

Wasn't even talking about those other guys, and those were just a few that were available. Adams hasn't done anything about the goaltending in 2yrs. They are in development mode, hopefully his goalie squad holds up, cause It could hurt the team in other areas of development.

I'd prefer all of them to Anderson.

Comrie is an unknown, he could easily go either way. All of the others have a stronger history, and clearly the market values them much higher.
- Lunaion

You'd take Nedeljkovic over Anderson? I mean like as someone to play regularly, if you need like 60 games and you don't want to be investigated for murder, I guess, but in a single game that's... something.

It's a flawed stat to look at a season on the whole (or a chunk of games). It really is. If you can get -3 in one game, but most likely not be able to get +3 the next game to balance it out, to me it's disingenuous to look at the whole when looking at a goalie. You are more than welcome to think otherwise. And I don't know why I feel the need to reiterate, but he shouldn't be the starter. If he's getting the bulk of the games, Buffalo is in trouble. But if he gets an odd game every now and again, he's not gonna kill you.
- SDSabre

Why is this disingenuous? -3 relative to your XG is very bad. If it was a scenario where he was getting a -3GSAA one game but then put up a string of games that were all positive before the next clunker, that would be one thing. But that's not the case here.

In 31 starts/appearances, he only performed above or at the expected goals he faced 12 times. 7 of those 12 came in games where the Sabres gave up below the league average amount of XG.

He hurt the team more than he helped. He's here cause for the moment, nobody else wants to be.
- Michael Ghofrani

I have to disagree. Kids took a liking to him. Experience and leadership are key to growing a young team. and Okposo ain't gunna do it himself.

You'd take Nedeljkovic over Anderson? I mean like as someone to play regularly, if you need like 60 games and you don't want to be investigated for murder, I guess, but in a single game that's... something.
- SDSabre

Last summer, wouldn't have to think twice. This summer, still yes.

The tough thing for me to accept was the need to sign him before the off-season really got started.
- Lunaion

Given what we know now, the way the goalie market went and the NTC blocks, I can see why they did it. The FA market was barren in terms of good value options, they got one of the only ones. And the trade market was just too steep for where they are at right now.

It really feels like they did it so that he can tell the next goalie nice things about the organization. It sounds insane, but given the hit their rep took over the years, and the respect people have for Anderson around the league, it's not a crazy idea.