boys, boys...

you're both really obnoxious
- black_francis

agreed. will drop it. i try to be a charming bumhole, not an obnoxious one.
"judge by his play" from now on..

Passing on Raty to draft Tuomaala in the 2nd is shaping up to be another drafting mistake by the Flyers. Raty already had the size and the tools to be an NHL player. He was even considered to be 1st overall earl in his draft season. Instead the Flyers draft a project who still looks like he’s 15 yrs old.
- Djapana

I have serious doubts Tuomaala and Andre will ever be NHL players.

agreed. will drop it. i try to be a charming bumhole, not an obnoxious one.
"judge by his play" from now on..
- biggbear77

I was referring to jd250. You’re ok in my book big bear 🐻

Basing this off of Raty's 2 AHL games played?
- MJL

Raty had a sold season as a teammate of Tuomaala on Jukurit scoring 40 points in 41 games. He finished last season in the AHL, scoring a game winner in OT for Bridgeport in the playoffs. He actually scored more points, 4, in last nights WJC game than Tuomaala scored in his entire season with 3 teams last year. So yeah I think at 6’2”, 185lbs with skill, he was a better pick than Tuomaala.

With the cap space the Flyers just waiting for Chuck to pounce on Kadri as he lingers on in free agency. Could get a bargain deal.

Raty had a sold season as a teammate of Tuomaala on Jukurit scoring 40 points in 41 games. He finished last season in the AHL, scoring a game winner in OT for Bridgeport in the playoffs. He actually scored more points, 4, in last nights WJC game than Tuomaala scored in his entire season with 3 teams last year. So yeah I think at 6’2”, 185lbs with skill, he was a better pick than Tuomaala.
- Djapana

I'm going to wait until he actually starts his pro career and plays a significant sample of games to judge the player but that's just me.

There's no use looking for a rational underpinning to how this team operates, when it's all really just nepotism, emotions and personal loyalties.

Chuck still has a job because Dave Scott and the luminaries like him. Simple as that.
- Tomahawk

Eh, I respectfully disagree.

Comcast wants the franchise run in a way that doesn't threaten a revenue floor. It is in their interest to keep the Old Boys around, for the latter have deep historical ties to club, are colorful characters who attract attention in and of themselves, and do not have a long term mentality in roster building. It is also possible that those who run the hockey side realize they do not have the mandate to incur long term revenue losses (such as through rebuilding).

Explicit or implicit, Its a win win outlook for Comcast. Either they win on the ice and fans flock to seats, or there is enough resulting dysfunction and drama, in which case fans are angered and tune in just for the spectacle and the curiosity and to curse.

I think Dave Scott runs the club very well indeed and quite rationally.

Eh, I respectfully disagree.

Comcast wants the franchise run in a way that doesn't threaten a revenue floor. It is in their interest to keep the Old Boys around, for the latter have deep historical ties to club, are colorful characters who attract attention in and of themselves, and do not have a long term mentality in roster building. It is also possible that those who run the hockey side realize they do not have the mandate to incur long term revenue losses (such as through rebuilding).

Explicit or implicit, Its a win win outlook for Comcast. Either they win on the ice and fans flock to seats, or there is enough resulting dysfunction and drama, in which case fans are angered and tune in just for the spectacle and the curiosity and to curse.

I think Dave Scott runs the club very well indeed and quite rationally.
- PT21

Owning the Flyers is a very small thing under the Comcast umbrella. They have said in the past they make no money unless they get to the 2nd round of the playoffs. So they are losing money every year pretty much.

Owning the Flyers isn't revenue maker for the company. It is a toy. The arena takes care of making the money

When it comes to hockey they just have uneducated people running the show at all ends. Just look at the bad decisions they make year in and year out. They truly think they are good and doing the right thing. I do not think revenue comes into play that much at all. This is a hobby for Comcast.

Eh, I respectfully disagree.

Comcast wants the franchise run in a way that doesn't threaten a revenue floor. It is in their interest to keep the Old Boys around, for the latter have deep historical ties to club, are colorful characters who attract attention in and of themselves, and do not have a long term mentality in roster building. It is also possible that those who run the hockey side realize they do not have the mandate to incur long term revenue losses (such as through rebuilding).

Explicit or implicit, Its a win win outlook for Comcast. Either they win on the ice and fans flock to seats, or there is enough resulting dysfunction and drama, in which case fans are angered and tune in just for the spectacle and the curiosity and to curse.

I think Dave Scott runs the club very well indeed and quite rationally.
- PT21

Well we know that they're not going to and aren't close to being able to win on the ice. So you think they're purposely causing drama and running the team dysfunctional in the hopes that fans get pissed and watch anyway to curse at the team? Pretty funny. There is no rational argument to show that Scott runs the club very well.

Well we know that they're not going to and aren't close to being able to win on the ice. So you think they're purposely causing drama and running the team dysfunctional in the hopes that fans get pissed and watch anyway to curse at the team? Pretty funny. There is no rational argument to show that Scott runs the club very well.
- MJL

Oddest take I have seen in a very long while.

Oddest take I have seen in a very long while.
- furio16

Symptom of smartest guy in the room syndrome. Scott is incompetent.

Owning the Flyers is a very small thing under the Comcast umbrella. They have said in the past they make no money unless they get to the 2nd round of the playoffs. So they are losing money every year pretty much.

Owning the Flyers isn't revenue maker for the company. It is a toy. The arena takes care of making the money

When it comes to hockey they just have uneducated people running the show at all ends. Just look at the bad decisions they make year in and year out. They truly think they are good and doing the right thing. I do not think revenue comes into play that much at all. This is a hobby for Comcast.
- furio16

Well arena sales are a part of the income stream. Anyway, it is bollocks that they don't make money except if they get to 2nd round. They had made money every single year since the lockout in 2013 until the pandemic year.

https://www.forbes.com/te...a-flyers/?sh=32b8196d312a

Also, I often hear this thing about the Flyers being a toy/hobby. Corporations don't buy toys or have hobbies.

Starbucks has zillions of cafes. Any single one of them is a toy. Then why do the store managers face so much pressure to perform and meet/surpass revenue expectations? Ditto for any such company.

Oddest take I have seen in a very long while.
- furio16

I wised up around 2018 or so, and have been largely saying this since then. 2014-2018 I thought it was all the fault of the Old Boys.

In fact, you and I had an exchange a few weeks back about the exact same thing.

Well arena sales are a part of the income stream. Anyway, it is bollocks that they don't make money except if they get to 2nd round. They had made money every single year since the lockout in 2013 until the pandemic year.


- PT21

In the context of looking at how the Flyers are run from a fan perspective, fans don't care how much revenue the arena is bringing in. Fans don't judge them on that. They judge them on how well run the actual hockey team is. If they're on a path to success. if they're providing a product that is entertaining that fans can support. On the actual success of the hockey team. Surely that is the perspective that Tomahawk was posting from.

Well arena sales are a part of the income stream. Anyway, it is bollocks that they don't make money except if they get to 2nd round. They had made money every single year since the lockout in 2013 until the pandemic year.

https://www.forbes.com/te...a-flyers/?sh=32b8196d312a

Also, I often hear this thing about the Flyers being a toy/hobby. Corporations don't buy toys or have hobbies.

Starbucks has zillions of cafes. Any single one of them is a toy. Then why do the store managers face so much pressure to perform and meet/surpass revenue expectations? Ditto for any such company.
- PT21

whether it is BS or not this is what they say. The arena is the money maker. Not the Flyers. You do not think it is a toy or hobby that is your opinion.

Comparing individually owned Starbucks to a one owner sports team isn't apples to apples.

In the context of looking at how the Flyers are run from a fan perspective, fans don't care how much revenue the arena is bringing in. Fans don't judge them on that. They judge them on how well run the actual hockey team is. If they're on a path to success. if they're providing a product that is entertaining that fans can support. On the actual success of the hockey team. Surely that is the perspective that Tomahawk was posting from.
- MJL

He suggested there was no rationality in the decision making.

But if I, for instance, were a mod and allowed someone like you to post 40 times a day, I would tilt the pitch towards making discussion here be voluminous, incoherent, riddled with rudimentary errors of reasoning, and full of obsessive childish arguments. Because I can count on you being you.

Now think of me the mod being Dave Scott and you being the Old Boys club. I can rationally count on your irrationality.

whether it is BS or not this is what they say. The arena is the money maker. Not the Flyers. You do not think it is a toy or hobby that is your opinion.

Comparing individually owned Starbucks to a one owner sports team isn't apples to apples.
- furio16

And please enlighten us, what would be an apple to apple? Name me ONE national company on the scale of Comcast who runs an unit worth a billion $ and runs it like a toy or a hobby?

Or are there no apples in your orchard?

whether it is BS or not this is what they say. The arena is the money maker. Not the Flyers. You do not think it is a toy or hobby that is your opinion.

Comparing individually owned Starbucks to a one owner sports team isn't apples to apples.
- furio16

I don't know that I would classify it as a toy or a hobby but I'm sure that it's a benefit financially even if the team isn't doing well. In terms of the overall business of comcast, it is a very small part. So from that viewpoint, maybe a hobby in a figure of speech.

He suggested there was no rationality in the decision making.


- PT21

He is correct. From a hockey perspective, there is little rationality. You just can't understand that apparently.

And please enlighten us, what would be an apple to apple? Name me ONE national company on the scale of Comcast who runs an unit worth a billion $ and runs it like a toy or a hobby?

Or are there no apples in your orchard?
- PT21

Comparing Starbucks to the Flyers is an off base comparison. Name me national companies who own sports teams that are as big as Comcast.

Owning a sports team is a hobby for those who have them.

He is correct. From a hockey perspective, there is no rationality. You just can't understand it apparently.
- MJL

Even there, I am not so sure.

If the hockey side has an explicit or implicit leash around their neck to not let the club's revenues languish too much, what are their choices? Full rebuild is out then. It's down to either competitive contention or roll the die and take your chances with retooling.

You saw the former with Hexy, and the latter now with CF.

I don't know that I would classify it as a toy or a hobby but I'm sure that it's a benefit financially even if the team isn't doing well. In terms of the overall business of comcast, it is a very small part. So from that viewpoint, maybe a hobby in a figure of speech.
- MJL

My main point is I do not think they wont rebuild or what not has anything to do with revenue or lack of people going to the game. They are just a poorly run franchise when it comes to hockey.

Will also add a few down years rebuilding will not harm the value of the franchise in any way.

Symptom of smartest guy in the room syndrome. Scott is incompetent.
- MJL

DRENCHED in irony here, folks

Comparing Starbucks to the Flyers is an off base comparison. Name me national companies who own sports teams that are as big as Comcast.

Owning a sports team is a hobby for those who have them.
- furio16

You are thinking of private owners. And those guys typically are also making money anyway irrespective of how they run their team. Like, Dan Snyder, Pegula, Al Davis, etc.

Not quite sure what you are getting at. What does "as large as Comcast" have to do with it? Are you suggesting Comcast will present a statement of earnings and there will be a red ink line next to Flyers and if someone questions why it is in red they will say "aw, shucks, that's our hobby?"

Even there, I am not so sure.

If the hockey side has an explicit or implicit leash around their neck to not let the club's revenues languish too much, what are their choices? Full rebuild is out then. It's down to either competitive contention or roll the die and take your chances with retooling.

You saw the former with Hexy, and the latter now with CF.
- PT21

There is no rationality in adopting an aggressive win now posture and aggressively capping out the team year after year in a cap league.