My main point is I do not think they wont rebuild or what not has anything to do with revenue or lack of people going to the game. They are just a poorly run franchise when it comes to hockey.

Will also add a few down years rebuilding will not harm the value of the franchise in any way.
- furio16

I agree with you. If fans see a path to the future and some young exciting players, even if they're not a playoff team. Fans will still support that for a period of time. Not to the same level as being a contender but they won't completely bail.

Even though this a small slice of the fan base. I think this website illustrates the mindset of the fans. Empathy is growing by the day. Fans will tune in or go in the beginning but if they start sinking. The leash will be very short.

My handle back then was mcphillthy. And that 3C argument happened every single day that coots played 3C.

He was a bust
He won't ever be a 1c
He can't skate
Blah blah blah

But yea.... I remember it clearly
- Bob Habib

And he still isn’t a 1c that’s the funniest part.

I for the record always said he’s at best a 2c

And that’s exactly what he should be.

Anyone thinking he’s a 1c is delusional.

And he still isn’t a 1c that’s the funniest part.

I for the record always said he’s at best a 2c

And that’s exactly what he should be.

Anyone thinking he’s a 1c is delusional.
- Stayin alive

Actually it's the other way around. Couturier is unquestionably a 1st line center in this league.

Owning the Flyers is a very small thing under the Comcast umbrella. They have said in the past they make no money unless they get to the 2nd round of the playoffs. So they are losing money every year pretty much.

Owning the Flyers isn't revenue maker for the company. It is a toy. The arena takes care of making the money

When it comes to hockey they just have uneducated people running the show at all ends. Just look at the bad decisions they make year in and year out. They truly think they are good and doing the right thing. I do not think revenue comes into play that much at all. This is a hobby for Comcast.
- furio16

That might be in jeopardy as well with the Sixers new place.

You are thinking of private owners. And those guys typically are also making money anyway irrespective of how they run their team. Like, Dan Snyder, Pegula, Al Davis, etc.

Not quite sure what you are getting at. What does "as large as Comcast" have to do with it? Are you suggesting Comcast will present a statement of earnings and there will be a red ink line next to Flyers and if someone questions why it is in red they will say "aw, shucks, that's our hobby?"
- PT21

what other spots team are owned by national companies since you brought it up.

That might be in jeopardy as well with the Sixers new place.
- missingmike

Maybe. Comcast has a longer reach to attract events. I am very skeptical that arena gets built in China town vicinity.

And he still isn’t a 1c that’s the funniest part.

I for the record always said he’s at best a 2c

And that’s exactly what he should be.

Anyone thinking he’s a 1c is delusional.
- Stayin alive

LOL anyone who says he isn't a 1c is delusional.

Maybe. Comcast has a longer reach to attract events. I am very skeptical that arena gets built in China town vicinity.
- furio16

I think they'll wind up in Camden

There is no rationality in adopting an aggressive win now posture and aggressively capping out the team year after year in a cap league.
- MJL

Oh isn't there now?

I already posted the operating income for them pre-pandemic and post 2013 lockout. Now look at stadium attendance figures for the same time by %.


This is a business, run by a business. Imbibe that fact and you will at least see that my pov is not indefensible even if you don't agree.

what other spots team are owned by national companies since you brought it up.
- furio16

The Braves are owned by some national company or the other. Forget name. I know Red Sox are owned by same company that owns I think Liverpool FC in the Premier League.

But again, the point is, no business runs a small subsidiary/component as a hobby.

For Athletic subscribers, Dom Luszczyszyn has his annual fan survey out. Flyers are going to drop significantly for the second year in a row. Let your voice be heard. Wish I could have given a zero for vision but alas, it is a 1-5 scale.

Comparing Starbucks to the Flyers is an off base comparison. Name me national companies who own sports teams that are as big as Comcast.

Owning a sports team is a hobby for those who have them.
- furio16

You are both right in a sense

Comcast as a whole is worth so many BILLIONS that yes the flyers are a toy.

They look at flyers as toy that can make them money in future. It’s an investment knowing well they will lose money now but have potential to make money later

That same business model is used in Starbucks or any other mega company

The question is when do they get tired of the hassle or bored with the tiny losses to their bottom lines and sell team?

It’s so funny how some people think they know business (mjl) (oh league lost 500mil) from having no fans divided by 30+ teams oh they care so much)

But in the grand scheme with mega companies it’s not even a blip on their screen.

It’s the equivalent of cashier handing you your change back and you dropping a penny on the ground.

You don’t even bay an eye at it

Actually it's the other way around. Couturier is unquestionably a 1st line center in this league.
- MJL

Yep 👍🏻Keep believing that

LOL anyone who says he isn't a 1c is delusional.
- MBFlyerfan

Yep. 👍🏻19 year career in Philly. Career high 76 points. Never won poop beyond 1 token selke

Yep he’s a 1c


As good as record holder selke king Bergeron.


Yep
Yep
Yep

The Braves are owned by some national company or the other. Forget name. I know Red Sox are owned by same company that owns I think Liverpool FC in the Premier League.

But again, the point is, no business runs a small subsidiary/component as a hobby.
- PT21

That is your opinion.

You are both right in a sense

Comcast as a whole is worth so many BILLIONS that yes the flyers are a toy.

They look at flyers as toy that can make them money in future. It’s an investment knowing well they will lose money now but have potential to make money later

That same business model is used in Starbucks or any other mega company

The question is when do they get tired of the hassle or bored with the tiny losses to their bottom lines and sell team?

It’s so funny how some people think they know business (mjl) (oh league lost 500mil) from having no fans divided by 30+ teams oh they care so much)

But in the grand scheme with mega companies it’s not even a blip on their screen.

It’s the equivalent of cashier handing you your change back and you dropping a penny on the ground.

You don’t even bay an eye at it
- Stayin alive

I will disagree with that analogy. You know why? Because guys at the top, like Brian Roberts, can both avoid paying much attention to Flyers and also ensure that Comcast Spectator is run with an very vigilant eye towards profits. How: Simple.

1. Hire a competent, known guy with a track record of excellence who understands the company.
2. Link that guy's pay to Comcast Spectator earnings.
3. Fugged about it.

Comcast (Roberst family) doesn't need to care anymore about Flyers' income. The competent guy they hired will do the job for them. That guy/s name is Dave Scott.

That’s a bingo
- StepfordSam

We just say bingo

I will disagree with that analogy. You know why? Because guys at the top, like Brian Roberts, can both avoid paying much attention to Flyers and also ensure that Comcast Spectator is run with an very vigilant eye towards profits. How: Simple.

1. Hire a competent, known guy with a track record of excellence who understands the company.
2. Link that guy's pay to Comcast Spectator earnings.
3. Fugged about it.

Comcast (Roberst family) doesn't need to care anymore about Flyers' income. The competent guy they hired will do the job for them. That guy/s name is Dave Scott.
- PT21

Isn’t that exactly what I said?

You’re right they have a hierarchy in place.

They don’t care about it now.

The flyers will never factor in Comcast thoughts beyond a small meeting of updates.

Whether it’s Scott fletch whoever.

What’s the numbers? Up Down?
What’s the projections?


Until they get bored.

If ever

Yep. 👍🏻19 year career in Philly. Career high 76 points. Never won poop beyond 1 token selke

Yep he’s a 1c


As good as record holder selke king Bergeron.


Yep
Yep
Yep
- Stayin alive

I see letters in some order, but they don't make sense.

Isn’t that exactly what I said?

You’re right they have a hierarchy in place.

They don’t care about it now.

The flyers will never factor in Comcast thoughts beyond a small meeting of updates.

Whether it’s Scott fletch whoever.

What’s the numbers? Up Down?
What’s the projections?


Until they get bored.

If ever
- Stayin alive

Not the way I read it. In your cashier analogy, link the cashier's pay to the degree to which cashier change matches cashier receipts. In that case, if the cashier drops a penny, he will scramble to get it back.

Raty had a sold season as a teammate of Tuomaala on Jukurit scoring 40 points in 41 games. He finished last season in the AHL, scoring a game winner in OT for Bridgeport in the playoffs. He actually scored more points, 4, in last nights WJC game than Tuomaala scored in his entire season with 3 teams last year. So yeah I think at 6’2”, 185lbs with skill, he was a better pick than Tuomaala.
- Djapana

Many of us were calling for one of Raty, Stankoven or Chibrikov to be selected. We ended up with Tuomaala. It was a mistake then, it's a mistake now.

Not the way I read it. In your cashier analogy, link the cashier's pay to the degree to which cashier change matches cashier receipts. In that case, if the cashier drops a penny, he will scramble to get it back.
- PT21

No if the cashier is giving you YOUR. Change and YOU. Drop a Penney YOU don’t bat an eye

No if the cashier is giving you YOUR. Change and YOU. Drop a Penney YOU don’t bat an eye
- Stayin alive

Ah ok. In that case you would have to increase the amounts because your actions are that of an individual when you are shopping like that (so the contract analogy would not work).

See, the Flyers are not quite that small a part of Comcast earnings as that. Their yearly profits are about 40 billion last 3 odd years. Flyers had about 40m profit pre-pandemic. So Flyers contributed about .1% of Comcast profits.

So, for a guy who makes 50k, say, that would be a $50 note he dropped. Would it make much difference? Probably not. But would he care to avoid dropping it or pick it up? I would think so.

several remaining moves to ponder to shore up some holes:

sign Holtby - 1 yr ~$850k
sign Gagner - 1 yr ~$800k

several remaining moves to ponder to shore up some holes:

sign Holtby - 1 yr ~$850k
sign Gagner - 1 yr ~$800k
- Bayareaflyer

Holtby is hurt and why would they want to sign Gagner?