No you do not get it. That is pretty much clear with the majority of post you make daily.

Oskar is not a 4th line player. That is an absolute fact. To think ND replaced Oskar is just downright laughable. Two totally different players. Not even in the same galaxy.
- furio16

Who said Oskar Lindblom is a fourth line player? I said he was playing on the fourth line (which he was) I didn’t say he was a fourth line player.

Who said Oskar Lindblom is a fourth line player? I said he was playing on the fourth line (which he was) I didn’t say he was a fourth line player.
- SuperSchennBros

Did you say ND was his replacement?

Let me be clear. Coots is a nice player. Any team would want him. But he’s not even close to an almost 8 mil per season player. Never had been and never will be. In a cap world you can’t sign deals like that


Please tell me how he’s worth almost 8 mil? Look around the league. What warrants almost 8 mil?


- Stayin alive

Couturier is a steal at 7.75M a year. He is a 30 goal 70 point players who at his best is dominant defensively and at 5 on 5 hockey. Can put up that production while playing against top lines. He makes every player who plays with him better.

And I better not get the he’s close to Bergy comparison because he’s not even same stratosphere of record holder 5 time selke winner one of best of all time defensive player Bergy.


- Stayin alive

Of course due to longevity and career, the edge would go to Bergeron. Bergeron is probably going into the hall of fame. 5 time Selke winner and Cup winner. Couturier has only come into his own the last 5 years or so. However if we would look at both players at their peek individually. There isn't a huge divide.

Coots was underpaid on last deal by a little for sure. Same as simmonds was. Tough. You still made great money. Let someone else sign you to overpaid horrible contract.

Coots SHOULD have gotten no more than 5 years times 5 maybe 6 mil per year. That’s where his production and real cap worth to team was.

That’s the problem with this team. They over pay EVERYONE.

THATS WHY THEYRE CAPPED OUT WITH NO TOP TALENT OR ABILITY TO DO ANYTHING
- Stayin alive

The Couturier contract is a good contract. The only issue is how he recovers from his back injury. That decision is not one of the contracts that is the issue with this team.

As usual, your post here is completely empty. Just uninformed opinion that is not backed up by anything.

Did you say ND was his replacement?
- furio16

I said who came out and in what spot and who is coming in, in what spot. In very basic terms.

I don't understand you could have faith in an organization that has essentially made the wrong decisions at every corner to play the kids or even focus on one kid after the signings they've made. The Flyers still have high hopes for Wade Allison, Isaac Ratcliffe or maybe Tyson Foerster is ready to step in. If Noah Cates is that guy, god bless but there is no way his spot is set in stone after 15 games, especially with a new coach coming in.

If this is tough for you to follow, that’s a you problem, not a me problem.

Couturier is a steal at 7.75M a year. He is a 30 goal 70 point players who at his best is dominant defensively and at 5 on 5 hockey. Can put up that production while playing against top lines. He makes every player who plays with him better.



Of course due to longevity and career, the edge would go to Bergeron. Bergeron is probably going into the hall of fame. 5 time Selke winner and Cup winner. Couturier has only come into his own the last 5 years or so. However if we would look at both players at their peek individually. There isn't a huge divide.



The Couturier contract is a good contract. The only issue is how he recovers from his back injury. That decision is not one of the contracts that is the issue with this team.

As usual, your post here is completely empty. Just uninformed opinion that is not backed up by anything.
- MJL

It's not a steal until we see how it turns out. I'd rather of given him 9 mil a year for 4 years. This 8 year deal is going to be a major albatross IMO, but I guess time will tell.

No you do not get it. That is pretty much clear with the majority of post you make daily.

Oskar is not a 4th line player. That is an absolute fact. To think ND replaced Oskar is just downright laughable. Two totally different players. Not even in the same galaxy.
- furio16

I don't think he is trying to say that Lindblom is a 4th line talent. I think he is simply looking at where Lindblom played. He played significant time on the 4th line. He is correct about that.

It's not a steal until we see how it turns out. I'd rather of given him 9 mil a year for 4 years. This 8 year deal is going to be a major albatross IMO, but I guess time will tell.
- Phillywhiteout

By all reports, Couturier was skating by the end of the season. Time will tell how he is health wise. I don't have any issue with the contract. Which was signed before the back injury.

I said who came out and in what spot and who is coming in, in what spot. In very basic terms.

I don't understand you could have faith in an organization that has essentially made the wrong decisions at every corner to play the kids or even focus on one kid after the signings they've made. The Flyers still have high hopes for Wade Allison, Isaac Ratcliffe or maybe Tyson Foerster is ready to step in. If Noah Cates is that guy, god bless but there is no way his spot is set in stone after 15 games, especially with a new coach coming in.

If this is tough for you to follow, that’s a you problem, not a me problem.
- SuperSchennBros

You said:
:You really don’t get it. Lindblom is out, out of the organization.
Nic D is in and Nic D will play. Nic D will be on the fourth line where Lindblom was."

So if that isn't saying he isn't replacing Oskar then what is it saying? Says to any logical person he is replacing Oskar.

Can you define what high hopes means in regards to those players?

I don't think he is trying to say that Lindblom is a 4th line talent. I think he is simply looking at where Lindblom played. He played significant time on the 4th line. He is correct about that.
- MJL

Very hard to decipher much of what he says.

You said:
:You really don’t get it. Lindblom is out, out of the organization.
Nic D is in and Nic D will play. Nic D will be on the fourth line where Lindblom was."

So if that isn't saying he isn't replacing Oskar then what is it saying? Says to any logical person he is replacing Oskar.

Can you define what high hopes means in regards to those players?
- furio16

Very hard to decipher much of what he says.
- furio16

Oh it’s hard to understand who is being take out and who is coming in, you have to split hairs???

By all reports, Couturier was skating by the end of the season. Time will tell how he is health wise. I don't have any issue with the contract. Which was signed before the back injury.
- MJL

Bad contract for where they Flyers were when he signed it, bad contract now where they are currently.

Has nothing to do with the player himself. 2 different issue imo.

- SuperSchennBros

Please define high hopes for those players.

Bad contract for where they Flyers were when he signed it, bad contract now where they are currently.

Has nothing to do with the player himself. 2 different issue imo.
- furio16

I don't think it's a bad contract on any level. The only think that could make it a bad contract is if he get debilitated by a serious injury. Which is a possibility with any long term contract.

Let me be clear. Coots is a nice player. Any team would want him. But he’s not even close to an almost 8 mil per season player. Never had been and never will be. In a cap world you can’t sign deals like that


Please tell me how he’s worth almost 8 mil? Look around the league. What warrants almost 8 mil?


And I better not get the he’s close to Bergy comparison because he’s not even same stratosphere of record holder 5 time selke winner one of best of all time defensive player Bergy.

Coots was underpaid on last deal by a little for sure. Same as simmonds was. Tough. You still made great money. Let someone else sign you to overpaid horrible contract.

Coots SHOULD have gotten no more than 5 years times 5 maybe 6 mil per year. That’s where his production and real cap worth to team was.

That’s the problem with this team. They over pay EVERYONE.

THATS WHY THEYRE CAPPED OUT WITH NO TOP TALENT OR ABILITY TO DO ANYTHING
- Stayin alive

Well said regarding Couturier. One of the worse contracts on a team full of bad contracts....

Couturier is a steal at 7.75M a year. He is a 30 goal 70 point players who at his best is dominant defensively and at 5 on 5 hockey. Can put up that production while playing against top lines. He makes every player who plays with him better.



Of course due to longevity and career, the edge would go to Bergeron. Bergeron is probably going into the hall of fame. 5 time Selke winner and Cup winner. Couturier has only come into his own the last 5 years or so. However if we would look at both players at their peek individually. There isn't a huge divide.



The Couturier contract is a good contract. The only issue is how he recovers from his back injury. That decision is not one of the contracts that is the issue with this team.

As usual, your post here is completely empty. Just uninformed opinion that is not backed up by anything.
- MJL

Not comfortable with the term but he was about to be UFA so this was his big payday shot and he landed it. About $1—1.5M overpayment IMO. He's a gem of a player and does a ton of things for the team. He's a perfect 2C for a deep cup contending team.

I don't think it's a bad contract on any level. The only think that could make it a bad contract is if he get debilitated by a serious injury. Which is a possibility with any long term contract.
- MJL

The Flyers are a bottom team. They will not contend any time soon. That is why it is a bad contract. At some point it will be a case diminishing returns.

What good does having Couterier on this roster do? All he does the next few years is, assuming he plays the same, is keep the Flyers in the 10-14 range more than likely best case. What good is that at the end of the day. Yes you need vets to show the way. However at almost 8 million for 8 years you can find vets on short term deals.

When you look long term at other teams rosters and organizational depth this was not a good singing. There is no plan. You either build around him or trade him. Same situation as Giroux.

Please define high hopes for those players.
- furio16

Boy does this question smell a lot like desperation to further an argument you’re already losing.

You know what’s sad? As a lifelong Flyers fan, I could tell you in the middle of August when training camp begins in years past. Yesterday someone asked me and my honest answer was “I really don’t know, nor do I care.” Indifference and apathy is not a fun combination for a fan.

Well said regarding Couturier. One of the worse contracts on a team full of bad contracts....
- mr4tno

Nah the JvR contract takes the cake IMO. Hayes was another example of a UFA player demanding both salary and term — they get to dictate and all NHL teams overpay. Hopefully both Hayes and Coots can play out their contracts but most likely not.

Boy does this question smell a lot like desperation to further and argument you’re already losing.
- SuperSchennBros

Please define high hopes for those players.

Not comfortable with the term but he was about to be UFA so this was his big payday shot and he landed it. About $1—1.5M overpayment IMO. He's a gem of a player and does a ton of things for the team. He's a perfect 2C for a deep cup contending team.
- Pixote Andolini

Not sure how you've come to that conclusion. He's actually underpaid by that amount on his current deal. You wouldn't get a 30 goal 70 point Selke center for 7.75M a year on the open UFA market.

The Flyers are a bottom team. They will not contend any time soon. That is why it is a bad contract. At some point it will be a case diminishing returns.

What good does having Couterier on this roster do? All he does the next few years is, assuming he plays the same, is keep the Flyers in the 10-14 range more than likely best case. What good is that at the end of the day. Yes you need vets to show the way. However at almost 8 million for 8 years you can find vets on short term deals.

When you look long term at other teams rosters and organizational depth this was not a good singing. There is no plan. You either build around him or trade him. Same situation as Giroux.
- furio16

You can't find a vet on a short term deal like Couturier. That vet can't do what Couturier can do. Which is make players he plays with better. It was very important to keep Couturier for that very reason. I disagree that it was not a good signing. I don't have any issue nor do I think that anyone who thinks trading him for future assets was what they should've done is wrong. However I don't see it as a bad contract.

Not sure how you've come to that conclusion. He's actually underpaid by that amount on his current deal. You wouldn't get a 30 goal 70 point Selke center for 7.75M a year on the open UFA market.
- MJL

He is a former. Do the analytics back that up the last couple years that he is still a selke level center?

So what do you think he would have got on the open market on a long term deal?

You can't find a vet on a short term deal like Couturier. That vet can't do what Couturier can do. Which is make players he plays with better. It was very important to keep Couturier for that very reason. I disagree that it was not a good signing. I don't have any issue nor do I think that anyone who thinks trading him for future assets was what they should've done is wrong. However I don't see it as a bad contract.
- MJL

You can find vets that have leadership qualities as that is what you have said in the past. Again doing what he does helps this team how? They are not contenders. They will not be anytime soon.

He is a luxury on a bad team.