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A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 22 @ 5:42 PM ET
I'm sticking with it's better to let him walk for nothing than sign him to a bad deal.
- VanHockeyGuy

I think that's where Aquilini is, make the playoffs get 10-15 mil in your pocket and let Miller walk and save 70 mil, it's a smart business move, he can buy more blueberry fields with that 10-15 mil and get stronger control of the berry market. The hockey team will still make the same money the next season. I support it all the way.

He is a businessman after all.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Aug 22 @ 6:10 PM ET
I think that's where Aquilini is, make the playoffs get 10-15 mil in your pocket and let Miller walk and save 70 mil, it's a smart business move, he can buy more blueberry fields with that 10-15 mil and get stronger control of the berry market. The hockey team will still make the same money the next season. I support it all the way.

He is a businessman after all.

- A_SteamingLombardi

We should try alternate uniforms in blueberry colours as they ripen. Green, white, blue.
NightBeast
Location: Darkville
Joined: 07.09.2021

Aug 22 @ 6:12 PM ET
Right and that's why some aren't happy with the team yet, it's quite simple.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Yes quite simple ....6 weeks till the start of the season no time to do anything...got it

some unhappy fans boo hooooo who cares.
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Aug 22 @ 6:13 PM ET
Not that I think any canuck management could juggle this many balls in the air at once, but I actually thought it made sense to trade miller for the prospects/picks and sign kadri. End up with free assets, not much of a downgrade and probably a PR win as well with Van likely having one of the largest muslim fan bases. Kadri perhaps one of the few that might entertain Van as a FA destination as well having just won the cup and winning near-term maybe not as important.

Alas, Tree beat us to it and used the free asset to turn his lemon situation into some damn fine lemonade!

- Sayros


I like Kadri, but no way would I give him the term for the Canucks. That lemonade will actually be a jar of piss in 4 years.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Aug 22 @ 6:13 PM ET
I think by funny you might mean stupid
- neem55

I don't think it's stupid. We're referring to a soon to be 30 year old player who has never once reached 100pts as our 100 point player.

He has legit cracked 80 pts once. He was on pace to one other season but never to crack 90 even before last season.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Aug 22 @ 6:27 PM ET
If they moved him at TDL or draft, they would have had the summer as their best opportunity to iron out the roster for this and future seasons... a good start. Now they are in a completely different situation and painted themselves into a corner. Now it's a much lesser return or get the best out of this season and let him walk for reasons I stated above.

There is still chances they come out of it with a good trade but in reality, that likelihood has greatly narrowed and continues to do so...

- boonerbuck

With a team on the cusp of doing something decent if they move Miller now and set the club back another 5 years either way they can't win. It's a weird situation. Basically, they'll see what they have until TDL this coming season and go from there. Plus if a Miller trade happens and the return(s) end up being a dud...well then there that too lol. No harm in seeing what this team can do under Boudreau.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 22 @ 6:36 PM ET
We should try alternate uniforms in blueberry colours as they ripen. Green, white, blue.
- golfingsince

Blueberries are perfect for the Canucks because when you open them they're yellow inside.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Aug 22 @ 6:37 PM ET
Your war on 99 vs 100 points is really funny to me
- NorthNuck

boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Aug 22 @ 6:37 PM ET
With a team on the cusp of doing something decent if they move Miller now and set the club back another 5 years either way they can't win. It's a weird situation. Basically, they'll see what they have until TDL this coming season and go from there. Plus if a Miller trade happens and the return(s) end up being a dud...well then there that too lol. No harm in seeing what this team can do under Boudreau.
- LordHumungous


Trading Miller sets the team back this season not 5 seasons. You are assuming he'll be here 5 seasons? Not bloody likely.

So have a decent run this season but in reality, that will be what sets the team back multiple seasons when he walks for nothing and management fills holes with UFA's or has to trade youth away to make up for it...
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Aug 22 @ 6:38 PM ET

- dbot

Facts are so silly.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Aug 22 @ 6:43 PM ET
Trading Miller sets the team back this season not 5 seasons. You are assuming he'll be here 5 seasons? Not bloody likely.

So have a decent run this season but in reality, that will be what sets the team back multiple seasons when he walks for nothing and management fills holes with UFA's or has to trade youth away to make up for it...

- boonerbuck

1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Aug 22 @ 6:48 PM ET
I think by funny you might mean stupid
- neem55


I bet you if you polled 100 NHL players who have scored 100 points in a season, and asked them if they would consider a player who scored 99 as one of the 100 point guys, all 100 of those players would tell you to go (frank) yourself.

That’s a significant milestone that not that many people achieve, and there is a lot of pride by those who did.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Aug 22 @ 6:54 PM ET
I bet you if you polled 100 NHL players who have scored 100 points in a season, and asked them if they would consider a player who scored 99 as one of the 100 point guys, all 100 of those players would tell you to go (frank) yourself.

That’s a significant milestone that not that many people achieve, and there is a lot of pride by those who did.

- 1970vintage

Except in this forum, where the reference doesn't have to do with the exact total, it's much more about suggesting relative value of the player, much in the way you'll sometimes see people refer to a guy who put up 80 as a point-per-game player.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Aug 22 @ 6:57 PM ET
I bet you if you polled 100 NHL players who have scored 100 points in a season, and asked them if they would consider a player who scored 99 as one of the 100 point guys, all 100 of those players would tell you to go (frank) yourself.

That’s a significant milestone that not that many people achieve, and there is a lot of pride by those who did.

- 1970vintage

Yup, Miller himself, was pissed that he didn't hit the 100 mark.
When he walks for nothing everyone can say "at least he wasn't a 100 point player".
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Aug 22 @ 6:59 PM ET
I bet you if you polled 100 NHL players who have scored 100 points in a season, and asked them if they would consider a player who scored 99 as one of the 100 point guys, all 100 of those players would tell you to go (frank) yourself.

That’s a significant milestone that not that many people achieve, and there is a lot of pride by those who did.

- 1970vintage


Exactly and thank you.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Aug 22 @ 6:59 PM ET
Except in this forum, where the reference doesn't have to do with the exact total, it's much more about suggesting relative value of the player, much in the way you'll sometimes see people refer to a guy who put up 80 as a point-per-game player.
- NorthNuck

So, if his contract gives him a $500,000 bonus for 100 points , do you give it to him for almost getting 100?
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Aug 22 @ 6:59 PM ET
I bet you if you polled 100 NHL players who have scored 100 points in a season, and asked them if they would consider a player who scored 99 as one of the 100 point guys, all 100 of those players would tell you to go (frank) yourself.

That’s a significant milestone that not that many people achieve, and there is a lot of pride by those who did.

- 1970vintage


I agree. In the eyes of players it is like this when talking milestones. When it comes to agreeing on contracts in negotiations between agents and management.... or trade negotiations between managements on the value of a player.... 1 single point doesn't create a large gap in salary or trade value. The arguments are light years apart between milestones and values.

99 points.... 100 points.... the difference of touching the puck for a secondary assist... hardly worth a debate...
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Aug 22 @ 7:05 PM ET
So, if his contract gives him a $500,000 bonus for 100 points , do you give it to him for almost getting 100?
- Marwood


Not a fkn chance.

Do you think 1 point is the difference of millions in contract negotiations over base salary? Nope... no difference at all.

It's splitting hairs in the argument with Lordy. Like saying I live 10km down that road.... "no you don't... you live 9.9km down that road...."
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Aug 22 @ 7:14 PM ET
Except in this forum, where the reference doesn't have to do with the exact total, it's much more about suggesting relative value of the player, much in the way you'll sometimes see people refer to a guy who put up 80 as a point-per-game player.
- NorthNuck


Reasonable post...
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Aug 22 @ 7:18 PM ET
I like Kadri, but no way would I give him the term for the Canucks. That lemonade will actually be a jar of piss in 4 years.
- Load Management


https://twitter.com/blame...&t=MjGujpW6t-UWIewt_gXyHg
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Aug 22 @ 7:24 PM ET
Except in this forum, where the reference doesn't have to do with the exact total, it's much more about suggesting relative value of the player, much in the way you'll sometimes see people refer to a guy who put up 80 as a point-per-game player.
- NorthNuck


He’s going to command more than Kadri did because he scored more, and is still seen as a gritty two way guy (though I disagree with that), but he won’t get the same contract offers as a guy who did actually score 100points. For example, he won’t get Johnny Hockey money.

I also disagree that it’s some generic reference. It’s suggesting that Miller IS A 100 point player - i.e. he will continue to be, not that he had a great season, well above his normal output. Could he continue to be that guy? Sure, he could. He could also be a 70 point player… I guess we’ll see.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Aug 22 @ 7:25 PM ET
I agree. In the eyes of players it is like this when talking milestones. When it comes to agreeing on contracts in negotiations between agents and management.... or trade negotiations between managements on the value of a player.... 1 single point doesn't create a large gap in salary or trade value. The arguments are light years apart between milestones and values.

99 points.... 100 points.... the difference of touching the puck for a secondary assist... hardly worth a debate...

- boonerbuck


I don’t think he’ll get 100 point money.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Aug 22 @ 7:30 PM ET
I don't think it's stupid. We're referring to a soon to be 30 year old player who has never once reached 100pts as our 100 point player.

He has legit cracked 80 pts once. He was on pace to one other season but never to crack 90 even before last season.

- golfingsince

It’s far less of a stretch than folks constantly referring to Boeser as a 30 goal scorer. What in the (frank)
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Aug 22 @ 7:34 PM ET
https://twitter.com/blame...&t=MjGujpW6t-UWIewt_gXyHg
- 1970vintage


Damn....lol.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Aug 22 @ 7:35 PM ET
It’s far less of a stretch than folks constantly referring to Boeser as a 30 goal scorer. What in the (frank)
- CanuckDon


The difference is basically 1% in the Miller argument vs 10% in the Boeser argument. So, yeah, you are right.
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