I'm not concerned about his confidence - it's the workload - it's going to be heavy in terms of games played as well as how taxing each individual game will be - he's going to face a lot of high quality shots
- Scoob

unpossible - td and rr are top tier defenseman

Well. It’s different since he will be on ltir. Funny a few weeks ago you were stating how great Vinny was and how his contract was fair and worth it basically.

The contract hurts but isn’t as obstructive as umberger.

Was a SS bros quote that didn’t work.
- Peter Richards

Getting a bad player in Rj Umberger with 3 seasons remaining at a cap of 4.5 million (I believe), makes those seasons very long, very slow. One season of which, we had to buyout.

Physical and mental workload, we will be the lesser team most nights.
- ClaudeFather

definitely

You spell it out for yourself in these man, figure it out
- ClaudeFather

I know…it was an awful deal. You’re too slow to figure out why.

I know…it was an awful deal. You’re too slow to figure out why.
- SuperSchennBros

It was an awful deal…this is why you can’t have conversations with people on here, you can’t go past a surface level statement. The Flyers knew they were getting back a lesser player.

When it's all said and done. He will surely wind up in the Flyers hall of fame.
- MJL

As he should... for the most expensive 4 games in the history of the Flyers franchise.

It was an awful deal…this is why you can’t have conversations with people on here, you can’t go past a surface level statement. The Flyers knew they were getting back a lesser player.
- ClaudeFather

Which is why they shouldn’t have made that deal but that’s not what this conversation is about. It’s about learning from your mistakes, which is why I listed the players I did.

Ellis, not a bad player but entering his 30’s, large cap it with multiple seasons. Umberger, was a bad player, large cap hit with multiple seasons. It’s just a waste even if the long game is two or three years down the road. This willingness to take on questionable contracts with questionable players is a lesson not learned with the Flyers.

Which is why they shouldn’t have made that deal but that’s not what this conversation is about. It’s about learning from your mistakes, which is why I listed the players I did.

Ellis, not a bad player but entering his 30’s, large cap it with multiple seasons. Umberger, was a bad player, large cap hit with multiple seasons. It’s just a waste even if the long game is two or three years down the road.
- SuperSchennBros

They were two totally different scenarios, I’m done here.

They were two totally different scenarios, I’m done here.
- ClaudeFather

Each trade is its own scenario. They’re never the same.

Each trade is its own scenario. They’re never the same.
- SuperSchennBros

👏

👏
- ClaudeFather

This isn’t a hindsight argument. There were always red flags surrounding Ellis long before the trigger was pulled. Same as Umberger. Same as the other players I named, with the exception of Pronger who was a freak accident.

unpossible - td and rr are top tier defenseman
- corduroy

impossible for grammar sake and all intents and purposes.

impossible for grammar sake and all intents and purposes.
- Minnyhock

Ah, Go suck beer through a hot dog...

impossible for grammar sake and all intents and purposes.
- Minnyhock

- corduroy

Lol. You win.

Ah, Go suck beer through a hot dog...
- dmark44

Eminem says “show me.”

Once we put him on LTIR we will be under the cap! Yay!
- Sir_Robot_Farts

Ummm, no. A team that is using LTIR is by definition over the upper limit.

ND - 1.7m
Stastny- .1.5m

Way to go, fleece me feltcher!


My brave prediction ... chuck is the first GM to get fired this season

More remarkable is the fact that the Flyers chose Patrick when there were so many gifted players selected after him. The CHL/OHL definitely has instilled a favoritism and biased take on talent.

ND - 1.7m
Stastny- .1.5m

Way to go, fleece me feltcher!


My brave prediction ... chuck is the first GM to get fired this season
- Bob Habib

I know what you're saying, but Stastny wouldn't have signed with the Flyers anyway. FIRE CHUCK! Thanks!

ND - 1.7m
Stastny- .1.5m

Way to go, fleece me feltcher!


My brave prediction ... chuck is the first GM to get fired this season
- Bob Habib

Speaking of a guy getting a ton of praise. I don’t think the moves Carolina made put them over the top, they’re stuck in the same place. Unless guys like Aho and Svechnikov can raise their games in the playoffs they are going nowhere again. And Patches already out long term.

ND - 1.7m
Stastny- .1.5m

Way to go, fleece me feltcher!


My brave prediction ... chuck is the first GM to get fired this season
- Bob Habib

Stastny isn't going to sign for 1.5M to play for a bottom feeder like the Flyers.

Speaking of a guy getting a ton of praise. I don’t think the moves Carolina made put them over the top, they’re stuck in the same place. Unless guys like Aho and Svechnikov can raise their games in the playoffs they are going nowhere again. And Patches already out long term.
- ClaudeFather

Kind of true. I'm not sure any of the guys they have acquired are upgrades to what departed and I'd say they've certainly lost some speed. Patches is officially becoming injury prone, so who knows what they will get out of him when he comes back from that injury.

Sweet. Thanks Bill. Is the camp full contact then?

Speaking of a guy getting a ton of praise. I don’t think the moves Carolina made put them over the top, they’re stuck in the same place. Unless guys like Aho and Svechnikov can raise their games in the playoffs they are going nowhere again. And Patches already out long term.
- ClaudeFather

Carolina is going to be in the mix for the east. No doubt.