I think we have to look around and evaluate the chances this team takes a significant step forward with their 9th place finish last season.
In my book, Ottawa and Detroit finished below the Sabres by 2 and 1 pt respectfully, and added quite a bit of veteran talent to their team, combined with young players who should also grow.
Conversely, I don't see any team that finished higher in the East last season that is poised to take the required slide backwards enough to finish lower.

In the West, SJS probably slides back and maybe Winnipeg folds enough as well. The rest probably stays relatively the same.

So, two puts and two takes. I'd say finishing 9 or 10th again is more likely than not.
Up or down a spot or two is certainly fathomable; so bottom 12 -> 8 is what I suspect.

The real point however is how the young guys play. As 36 mentioned, if it is on the G's again ... that is "better" than if the young guys poop the bed.


took pretty significant steps forward
- IonSabres

I agree it’s better if the goalies are the reason while the skaters improve. The problem that Adams thinks he can verbally repeat and it’ll go away is that rostered talented players will want out.

The hope built on the late entertaining run to 9th place last season will only temporarily hide the ugly 12 year history.

The struggle to find players who want to be here will grow, the problem retaining these players the organization has invested NHL seasons in to evaluate will jump ship and boss will be the only one left in the arena.

And there it is!
100% wrong on my position.
- IonSabres

You said the Bill's should wait and see how it played out.

I absolutely 100% disagreed

Bill's cut the punter = you 100% wrong

I assume the Bill's have more information available to them. Would be interesting to know what it is.
Of paramount importance, to me anyway is what he knew and did related to the gang rape portion. If he participated and she was unwilling...then the worst punishment isn't strong enough. If he did not know, nor contribute...I stand with my position and call the Bill's cowards for not supporting him against unjust accusations.
- IonSabres

Uncle ion = coward, not the Bill's.

Keep standing by your position 😀

Uncle ion = coward, not the Bill's.

Keep standing by your position 😀
- Boss34

Continue to puff you chest out that as of NOW, he's been run out of town by the media and fan's overreaction to a narrative heard from just one side.
You obviously dont agree with Due Process, facts, and innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
It is a great side you are on, until it turns against you, then you'll be yelling and screaming.
Let it play out. No harm, no foul.

Uncle ion = coward, not the Bill's.

Keep standing by your position 😀
- Boss34

Continue to puff you chest out that as of NOW, he's been run out of town by the media and fan's overreaction to a narrative heard from just one side.
You obviously dont agree with Due Process, facts, and innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
It is a great side you are on, until it turns against you, then you'll be yelling and screaming.
Let it play out. No harm, no foul.

Continue to puff you chest out that as of NOW, he's been run out of town by the media and fan's overreaction to a narrative heard from just one side.
You obviously dont agree with Due Process, facts, and innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
It is a great side you are on, until it turns against you, then you'll be yelling and screaming.
Let it play out. No harm, no foul.
- IonSabres

if this broke the week of the super bowl and the bills were in it

they let the process play itself out

if this broke the week of the super bowl and the bills were in it

they let the process play itself out
- homiedclown

Absolutely no doubt.

It is interesting to over react by position group.

Punter, meh fvck him.
Starting WR, QB, S, CB, LB, C, RT?...oh hell no!

Wonder who holds for FG's. They need to find a guy quick.

Absolutely no doubt.

It is interesting to over react by position group.

Punter, meh fvck him.
Starting WR, QB, S, CB, LB, C, RT?...oh hell no!

Wonder who holds for FG's. They need to find a guy quick.
- IonSabres

Beane said yesterday more information came out to them in the last 48 hours, it's why they waited.

It's pretty clear at best case he had sex with a minor. You can argue he didn't know her age and such, but the rest of the allegations are really messed up. It sounds like Matt lied to the team originally about what was really going on...

Continue to puff you chest out that as of NOW, he's been run out of town by the media and fan's overreaction to a narrative heard from just one side.
You obviously dont agree with Due Process, facts, and innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
It is a great side you are on, until it turns against you, then you'll be yelling and screaming.
Let it play out. No harm, no foul.
- IonSabres

The Buffalo Bills are not the law people need to get that straight they could give two poops about innocent until proven guilty. The main goal of the Buffalo Bills is to make money they are a business Araiza being on the team hurts that just like if it was me or you or anybody else in this position if the company found that having us employed hurt their bottom line we would be fired


The bills were in a lose lose lose scenario and it sounds like according to both McDermott and Bean Ariza did not tell them the whole story.

Cut him now take your lumps focus on football

Beane said yesterday more information came out to them in the last 48 hours, it's why they waited.

It's pretty clear at best case he had sex with a minor. You can argue he didn't know her age and such, but the rest of the allegations are really messed up. It sounds like Matt lied to the team originally about what was really going on...
- Stripes77

I heard he lied, that's why McDermott was really caught of guard in his Press Conference.

The Buffalo Bills are not the law people need to get that straight they could give two poops about innocent until proven guilty. The main goal of the Buffalo Bills is to make money they are a business Araiza being on the team hurts that just like if it was me or you or anybody else in this position if the company found that having us employed hurt their bottom line we would be fired


The bills were in a lose lose lose scenario and it sounds like according to both McDermott and Bean Ariza did not tell them the whole story.

Cut him now take your lumps focus on football
- ImThatGuy

Good Post!! Once this broke there was no chance he made it through the weekend. The Bill's have a huge female following.

Found the perfect match for Fitz:

https://twitter.com/citiz...&t=aGHep5toD8E4x_A25NpDfQ

And Beady, why did you let your crazy aunt out again:

https://twitter.com/rncre...&t=aGHep5toD8E4x_A25NpDfQ
- washedup20

That’s no woman… It’s a man, baby!

Beane said yesterday more information came out to them in the last 48 hours, it's why they waited.

It's pretty clear at best case he had sex with a minor. You can argue he didn't know her age and such, but the rest of the allegations are really messed up. It sounds like Matt lied to the team originally about what was really going on...
- Stripes77

1. PR nightmare

2. rookie

3. PR nightmare

4. PR nightmare

5.PR nightmare


there was nothing new coming out between friday afternoon and saturday

my guess is they were cutting him by the time the plane landed in carolina, but they wanted to dot the i's and cross the t's and push it off until after practice yesterday

That’s no woman… It’s a man, baby!
- BeadyEyedDouche

1. PR nightmare

2. rookie

3. PR nightmare

4. PR nightmare

5.PR nightmare


there was nothing new coming out between friday afternoon and saturday

my guess is they were cutting him by the time the plane landed in carolina, but they wanted to dot the i's and cross the t's and push it off until after practice yesterday
- homiedclown

Yep, as soon as they checked a few legal things he was gone!! Once this got out in Social media his NFL Career was atleast gonna be put on hold until this is all settled. And if he's found guilty I am sure some of the Prisoners could show him a proper Train

https://thehockeynews.com...the-sabres-shining-knight
Decent read

Yep, as soon as they checked a few legal things he was gone!! Once this got out in Social media his NFL Career was atleast gonna be put on hold until this is all settled. And if he's found guilty I am sure some of the Prisoners could show him a proper Train
- Buff36

Haha wow!

1. PR nightmare

2. rookie

3. PR nightmare

4. PR nightmare

5.PR nightmare


there was nothing new coming out between friday afternoon and saturday

my guess is they were cutting him by the time the plane landed in carolina, but they wanted to dot the i's and cross the t's and push it off until after practice yesterday
- homiedclown

Few things, there was a roster freeze when the plane left Buffalo on Thursday so they couldn't cut him right then and there.

From what I am hearing, he wasn't fully truthful to the team in July, but I will say the Bills really couldn't have done more once they found, but I find it funny people are saying the Bills knew at the draft (they didn't) and saying they should have done more investigating in July when they found out like it's public record or something. The Bills are a football team, not a police force, what sort of investigation do you expect them to conduct? I'd expect them to call the school (the school which sounds like was covering it up), the police (which all they can say is there is an ongoing investigation and that's it) and they talked to the victims attorney, but at that point there was no lawsuit filed, and that is only one side. They talked to Matt and went from there.

You can say they shouldn't have given him the job which is a valid argument, but until they actually saw the full lawsuit and whatever he fessed up to the team once it came out, there wasn't much to go on at that time.

Few things, there was a roster freeze when the plane left Buffalo on Thursday so they couldn't cut him right then and there.

From what I am hearing, he wasn't fully truthful to the team in July, but I will say the Bills really couldn't have done more once they found, but I find it funny people are saying the Bills knew at the draft (they didn't) and saying they should have done more investigating in July when they found out like it's public record or something. The Bills are a football team, not a police force, what sort of investigation do you expect them to conduct? I'd expect them to call the school (the school which sounds like was covering it up), the police (which all they can say is there is an ongoing investigation and that's it) and they talked to the victims attorney, but at that point there was no lawsuit filed, and that is only one side. They talked to Matt and went from there.

You can say they shouldn't have given him the job which is a valid argument, but until they actually saw the full lawsuit and whatever he fessed up to the team once it came out, there wasn't much to go on at that time.
- Stripes77

Well if they expect to draft someone I would think they have the capability to do a Criminal Background Check on these guys. So if they really did look at him it wouldn't have been hard to find there was a open case file on him.

Well if they expect to draft someone I would think they have the capability to do a Criminal Background Check on these guys. So if they really did look at him it wouldn't have been hard to find there was a open case file on him.
- Buff36

Modern Professional sports should be at the point of having an entire PR team scrubbing the internet for info on every player they scout, let alone the ones they draft.

It’s inexcusable in the social media age to have not done a simple google search on a player they intend to draft.

Well if they expect to draft someone I would think they have the capability to do a Criminal Background Check on these guys. So if they really did look at him it wouldn't have been hard to find there was a open case file on him.
- Buff36

There isn't/wasn't a case opened against him at that time though.

It's an investigation, and until he is formally charged nothing would show up.

It happens all the time, for example a coach is under investigation for abusing a kid but does his background check before he is charged, nothing shows up on his background check at that time.

There isn't a case opened against him though.

It's an investigation, and until he is formally charged nothing would show up.

It happens all the time, for example a coach is under investigation for abusing a kid but does his background check before he is charged, nothing shows up on his background check at that time.
- Stripes77

let's say he never gets charged criminally and he wins the civil lawsuit

who does he sue for lost wages?

the bills?
her?
her lawyer?


if he is not guilty someone cost him some money

There isn't a case opened against him though.

It's an investigation, and until he is formally charged nothing would show up.

It happens all the time, for example a coach is under investigation for abusing a kid but does his background check before he is charged, nothing shows up on his background check at that time.
- Stripes77

let's say he never gets charged criminally and he wins the civil lawsuit

who does he sue for lost wages?

the bills?
her?
her lawyer?


if he is not guilty someone cost him some money

let's say he never gets charged criminally and he wins the civil lawsuit

who does he sue for lost wages?

the bills?
her?
her lawyer?


if he is not guilty someone cost him some money
- homiedclown

He sues her, you can't sue the Bills, NFL contracts aren't guaranteed, they can cut a player for anything.

He sues her, you can't sue the Bills, NFL contracts aren't guaranteed, they can cut a player for anything.
- Stripes77

I'd sue her creepy lawyer, he went on a social witch hunt thursday and friday