September is here!
Soon the bloviating and pontification ends.
Then regular season bloviating and pontificating starts!
- konalover711

LMAO! Post of the day right here! The regular season B&P is much more entertaining and I for one am looking forward to it.

SirVocea Dennis Is by far the best name in sports today.

Define long term contracts please.
- WhiskeyMan

Anyone at or approaching age of 30 for 5 years or more

It is ballsy to have over $14mil in dead space like the Wild will have in 2023-2024 and 2024-2025. That is no way to operate either. However, if you have the backing of ownership and the right collection of low cost players it can work. In the end, they will not win a cup. So did they really move the needle?
- mickel25

No maybe not but sets them up sooner

So now we're back to planning for 2-3 years down the road. I hope the Flyers learn along with some fans that this is not a 2-3 year fix. It's a 5-10 year fix with hopefully some steady incline of improvement along the way. What the Flyers did in firing Hextall, who wanted a patient approach to what they've done with Fletcher will wind up setting the team back for a decade overall. If they're lucky.
- MJL

You’re crazy. NO team or fan base would accept a 5-10 year rebuild

I have no issue with the Couturier extension. I don’t have an issue with trading for Ristolainen or extending him. What I have an issue when it comes to the Risto situation is the cost it took to get him, in a roster player and a first round pick. I would have never gave up a first for Risto but with this said, that trade looks even worse if you don’t extend Risto in my opinion. Like I’ve said, I’ll be judging the player purely by this coming season.
- SuperSchennBros

I’ll spare you the suspense.
1) Risto will suck as bad or worse than every other season
2) 8 more years of aging breaking once 76 career high should be 2c coots

Status quo

So now we're back to planning for 2-3 years down the road. I hope the Flyers learn along with some fans that this is not a 2-3 year fix. It's a 5-10 year fix with hopefully some steady incline of improvement along the way. What the Flyers did in firing Hextall, who wanted a patient approach to what they've done with Fletcher will wind up setting the team back for a decade overall. If they're lucky.
- MJL

Will you please stop with your rhetoric and worship of Hextall! They just had a ranking of the GMs across the league and Chuckles came in 32nd which we all already knew and your buddy came in 27th(fittingly). He had his chance and enough time to accomplish what he wanted, and he did nothing but leave them in no man's land (with mediocre drafting and suspect signings). No one is going to tolerate a 10 year rebuild in any sport at any time. That simply isn't reality. Now back to your debate team at once! I'm sure they miss your leadership.

I now agree with your take on the team? LMAO I've been telling you this for 3 years while you've been telling me I was wrong. Pisses me off? Hardly. It's absolutely hysterical. You don't have a take. You've never had one. Not one that was ever right. It's just at the point now where you have no choice but to get in line. The very end of the line. Last one off the ship. You trying to state that I now agree with you is shameful and shows no awareness whatsoever and no indication that you realize how wrong you've been.
- MJL

What I admitted to is the moves did not work out and a new plan needs to put in place, one that so happens to be similar to what you have been saying for years. I give you that. However, its very easy for someone like you to constantly tout doom and gloom, and then leap for joy if and when it finally happens. To use your analogy, you are nothing more than the 3rd class passenger in the Titanic that from the time the ticket was bought stated they didn't want to go because the ship is going to sink. In spite all the assurances from others, you kicked and screamed as you boarded the vessel stating that the ship is going to sink. Then when the ship hits the ice berg, you leap for joy stating "See .., I told you all .. the ship would Sink!!". Well, I was hoping for a better outcome, but unfortunately Fletcher has hit an iceberg, consisting of Covid, an unprecedented number of major injuries to key players, and panic from himself in the face of danger. So if you want to tell everyone I told you so, fine, do that. In the mean time, enjoy watching a bottom rung team this season again, and for years to come if Fletcher does not focus on retooling from the 2023 draft, with as many higher picks as he can obtain.

Absolutely no chance but he could be a call up when the flyers luck goes into effect. I'd rather them develop while torts is here, imo. He has a track record and resource and examples of how the kids develop under his tool age. This franchise needs torts right now
- Bob Habib

Or remember, this team is cursed with injuries, they may need Foerster by the time camp ends

Will you please stop with your rhetoric and worship of Hextall! They just had a ranking of the GMs across the league and Chuckles came in 32nd which we all already knew and your buddy came in 27th(fittingly). He had his chance and enough time to accomplish what he wanted, and he did nothing but leave them in no man's land (with mediocre drafting and suspect signings). No one is going to tolerate a 10 year rebuild in any sport at any time. That simply isn't reality. Now back to your debate team at once! I'm sure they miss your leadership.

- Phillywhiteout

Its an addiction with MJL, he just can't skip an opportunity to praise Hextall, you know, that real patient GM that picked Nolan Patrick against the advice of his staff, signed Dale Weise to 4 years and JVR to 5 year contracts, missed on several 1st and 2nd round picks over his 5 years, did not draft and develop one player with top-end talent in the entire system and shutout or turned off just about everyone in the Flyers organization. Ya, he was a real winner! I can visual MJL with posters of Hextall on every wall in his room and at the center of the room a recliner with a small table beside it. I'll let you all fill in the rest, if you watched the movie "I Love you Man!"

No maybe not but sets them up sooner
- Stayin alive

They will be in cap hell for 3 seasons. After this season, they will have 14 million less to spend on their 7 free agents (one of them being Dumba) in the 23-24 season and 14 million less again on free agents in the 24-25 season.

They are hoping their 37 year old goalie does not break down.

You’re crazy. NO team or fan base would accept a 5-10 year rebuild
- Stayin alive

Numerous, too many to mention fan bases will and already have.

Will you please stop with your rhetoric and worship of Hextall! They just had a ranking of the GMs across the league and Chuckles came in 32nd which we all already knew and your buddy came in 27th(fittingly). He had his chance and enough time to accomplish what he wanted, and he did nothing but leave them in no man's land (with mediocre drafting and suspect signings). No one is going to tolerate a 10 year rebuild in any sport at any time. That simply isn't reality. Now back to your debate team at once! I'm sure they miss your leadership.

- Phillywhiteout

The debate team is not required nor would it get involved in commenting on the ridiculous stupidity that you posted above.

What I admitted to is the moves did not work out and a new plan needs to put in place, one that so happens to be similar to what you have been saying for years. I give you that. However, its very easy for someone like you to constantly tout doom and gloom, and then leap for joy if and when it finally happens. To use your analogy, you are nothing more than the 3rd class passenger in the Titanic that from the time the ticket was bought stated they didn't want to go because the ship is going to sink. In spite all the assurances from others, you kicked and screamed as you boarded the vessel stating that the ship is going to sink. Then when the ship hits the ice berg, you leap for joy stating "See .., I told you all .. the ship would Sink!!". Well, I was hoping for a better outcome, but unfortunately Fletcher has hit an iceberg, consisting of Covid, an unprecedented number of major injuries to key players, and panic from himself in the face of danger. So if you want to tell everyone I told you so, fine, do that. In the mean time, enjoy watching a bottom rung team this season again, and for years to come if Fletcher does not focus on retooling from the 2023 draft, with as many higher picks as he can obtain.
- jd250

Why would anyone need you to or care if you admitted to the painfully obvious fact that the moves did not work out? That something that is plainly not in dispute. So your comment there doesn't make any sense. What you haven't done and refuse to do is admit how wrong you were. About pretty much everything. Compounded by the fact that you pretend you weren't and are now at the forefront of seeing what needs to be done. When in effect you're just a sheep following along with the masses because your actual rhetoric is not viable in any manner.

You're mistaken that I leap for joy that I was right but I was right. And you argued with me vociferously. Here is he evidence. This was said the day after the Atkinson aquisition

https://hockeybuzz.com/bo...p?thread_id=173820&page=2

"Or are you looking for the team to be on the path to becoming a true Cup contender with a wide open window? More than likely, the recent moves damaged that hope more than they helped it." MJL

You response

https://hockeybuzz.com/bo...p?thread_id=173820&page=3

"Sorry, I 1000% disagree with you on that latter point. CF just created a real window for this team to compete for the cup, similar to what Homer did back in 2007. I don't understand what he gave up that you think would damage their path to being a true contender?? What .. Myers? Hagg? The 13th pick?? Really?

CF just got rid of our worst players and replaced them with really good hockey players that can play for this team at a high level for another 3-5 years. That is the definition of a path to the Cup! jd250


You didn't have the knowledge to know then or now that Fletcher traded the better player in the Atkinson deal. Now a year and change later, you claim that Atkinson is no longer a top 6 forward. LOL


Created a real window for this team to compete for the Cup? A path to the Cup?

Its an addiction with MJL, he just can't skip an opportunity to praise Hextall, you know, that real patient GM that picked Nolan Patrick against the advice of his staff, signed Dale Weise to 4 years and JVR to 5 year contracts, missed on several 1st and 2nd round picks over his 5 years, did not draft and develop one player with top-end talent in the entire system and shutout or turned off just about everyone in the Flyers organization. Ya, he was a real winner! I can visual MJL with posters of Hextall on every wall in his room and at the center of the room a recliner with a small table beside it. I'll let you all fill in the rest, if you watched the movie "I Love you Man!"
- jd250

You can't even figure out that the post in question had nothing to do with praising Hextall. It had to do with the Flyers abandoning a patient draft and develop process and going back to a try and win every year process and trying to trade and sign their way to contention. Which only set them back.

You just continually embarrass yourself.

You’re crazy. NO team or fan base would accept a 5-10 year rebuild
- Stayin alive

Soo, you think there is a quick way out of this?

You’re crazy. NO team or fan base would accept a 5-10 year rebuild
- Stayin alive

Tell that to the AVS, Kings and Blackhawks fans. Fans want a clear direction and plan. At least most do.

Soo, you think there is a quick way out of this?
- ClaudeFather

Some can't understand the difference between what a fan base will accept and what the reality is and what it will actually take. If the Flyers are going to become a true top team in the league. 5-10 years. That's not to say that they can't incrementally get better over that time period and become a competitive playoff team on the way.

Some can't understand the difference between what a fan base will accept and what the reality is and what it will actually take. If the Flyers are going to become a true top team in the league. 5-10 years. That's not to say that they can't incrementally get better over that time period and become a competitive playoff team on the way.
- MJL

Correct, in a few years they could be a competitive team, that could even miss playoffs still. Look at a team like Ottawa, different circumstances but they’ve become competitive and pulled the trigger now once they believe they will turn a corner. And they still might miss the playoffs this upcoming season

Soo, you think there is a quick way out of this?
- ClaudeFather

Risto, Hayes, Deslaurier and Ellis are 100% untradeable without adding significant assets. That is $20mil on the cap for the next four years. You could trade Farabee, TK, Provy and Sanheim but if you are doing a quick turnaround you would probably keep them.

Simple answer is if they get Bedard in the draft than they have a quick way out. If not, you are looking at five years minimum before they consistently compete.

Correct, in a few years they could be a competitive team, that could even miss playoffs still. Look at a team like Ottawa, different circumstances but they’ve become competitive and pulled the trigger now once they believe they will turn a corner. And they still might miss the playoffs this upcoming season
- ClaudeFather

If you're a fan in Ottawa, you see a vision. You see a path. Their collection of quality young players. They made some moves which didn't damage that future. They're going to be competitive and will likely be fun to watch. Even if they don't make the playoffs this season. Fans will be on board because there is a vision and there is hope. The Flyers are so dysfunctional in their management, player development and coaching. That there doesn't appear to be any current hope. I wonder why the fan base is so pissed off.

Risto, Hayes, Deslaurier and Ellis are 100% untradeable without adding significant assets. That is $20mil on the cap for the next four years. You could trade Farabee, TK, Provy and Sanheim but if you are doing a quick turnaround you would probably keep them.

Simple answer is if they get Bedard in the draft than they have a quick way out. If not, you are looking at five years minimum before they consistently compete.
- mickel25

Just getting Bedard is also not a quick way out. All of those contracts you mentioned are hampering this team, and very tough to move like you said. This is a long game.

If you're a fan in Ottawa, you see a vision. You see a path. Their collection of quality young players. They made some moves which didn't damage that future. They're going to be competitive and will likely be fun to watch. Even if they don't make the playoffs this season. Fans will be on board because there is a vision and there is hope. The Flyers are so dysfunctional in their management, player development and coaching. That there doesn't appear to be any current hope. I wonder why the fan base is so pissed off.
- MJL

100%, they’ve built something. The Flyers haven’t built anything in a decade. Hextall tried to do something, but the collection of players just wasn’t good enough. The Ottawa core of young guys is very solid.

Just getting Bedard is also not a quick way out. All of those contracts you mentioned are hampering this team, and very tough to move like you said. This is a long game.
- ClaudeFather

Overall I agree.

Why would anyone need you to or care if you admitted to the painfully obvious fact that the moves did not work out? That something that is plainly not in dispute. So your comment there doesn't make any sense. What you haven't done and refuse to do is admit how wrong you were. About pretty much everything. Compounded by the fact that you pretend you weren't and are now at the forefront of seeing what needs to be done. When in effect you're just a sheep following along with the masses because your actual rhetoric is not viable in any manner.

You're mistaken that I leap for joy that I was right but I was right. And you argued with me vociferously. Here is he evidence. This was said the day after the Atkinson aquisition

https://hockeybuzz.com/bo...p?thread_id=173820&page=2

"Or are you looking for the team to be on the path to becoming a true Cup contender with a wide open window? More than likely, the recent moves damaged that hope more than they helped it." MJL

You response

https://hockeybuzz.com/bo...p?thread_id=173820&page=3

"Sorry, I 1000% disagree with you on that latter point. CF just created a real window for this team to compete for the cup, similar to what Homer did back in 2007. I don't understand what he gave up that you think would damage their path to being a true contender?? What .. Myers? Hagg? The 13th pick?? Really?

CF just got rid of our worst players and replaced them with really good hockey players that can play for this team at a high level for another 3-5 years. That is the definition of a path to the Cup! jd250


You didn't have the knowledge to know then or now that Fletcher traded the better player in the Atkinson deal. Now a year and change later, you claim that Atkinson is no longer a top 6 forward. LOL


Created a real window for this team to compete for the Cup? A path to the Cup?

- MJL

cant wait for the re sponse