That is not t what I said at all. Not surprised though that is your interpretation.

JVR will get you a mid rd pick is all.
- furio16

Huh?

JVR has no future with the Flyers.

So the question becomes: Is it more important for the Flyers future to develop Cates or whomever) under Torts at the NHL level or is it more important to hope to get 3rd round pick or later at the deadline for JVR?
- furio16

This is the Scenario you presented…

Why are people debating about JVR's value? Seriously, you aren't getting more than a 3rd round pick most likely. I'd be stunned if they get anything better than that. The league knows how soft he is. This is part of the problems with the Flyers. Their big bodied guys are all as soft as Charmain toilet paper. Jakey was soft and JVR is extra soft. Then you add Hayes to the mix and you get the soft as a baby's bottom triplets. JVR and Hayes should have never been signed here. Thankfully JVR's time is almost up here. Now what to do with Hayes? I dunno... FIRE CHUCK! Thanks!

Huh?

This is the Scenario you presented…
- SuperSchennBros

Go back and read your original comment :
“I don’t think it would be smart to play Cates ahead of Jvr”

Nowhere did I say in any post do not play JVR.

What I disagree with is thinking it isn’t smart to play Cates over him. If that is what it may come down to.

Go back and read your original comment :
“I don’t think it would be smart to play Cates ahead of Jvr”

Nowhere did I say in any post do not play JVR.

What I disagree with is thinking it isn’t smart to play Cates over him. If that is what it may come down to.
- furio16

I don’t have to go back and read it, I wrote it.

I think what you’ve failed to understand all summer is Cates doesn’t have a job as a Philadelphia Flyer. He played well at the end of last season but he played well when the games were meaningless, so he’s going to have earn spot under a new coach who wasn’t here to see Cates play last season. Not to mention Wade Allison, healthy or not, has been making news lately and it would seem the Flyers have wanted him on the roster for a couple seasons now.

Now the debate was, which you are now trying to change so it suits you, is how Cates can get on the roster. Well seeing how the left wing spots are likely to be filled by Farabee, JvR, Laughton and Deslauriers, my question to you would be how will Cates fit?

I don’t have to go back and read it, I wrote it.

I think what you’ve failed to understand all summer is Cates doesn’t have a job as a Philadelphia Flyer. He played well at the end of last season but he played well when the games were meaningless, so he’s going to have earn spot under a new coach who wasn’t here to see Cates play last season. Not to mention Wade Allison, healthy or not has been making news lately and it would seem the Flyers have wanted him on the roster for a couple seasons now.

Now the debate was, which you are now trying to change so it suits you, is how Cates can get on the roster. Well seeing how the left wing spots are likely to be filled by Farabee, JvR, Laughton and Deslauriers, my question to you would be how will Cates fit?
- SuperSchennBros

If I ever respond to any of your post going forward whoever the moderator is has my permission to give me a week ban.

So did JVR pad his stats in the same time frame?

Why are people debating about JVR's value? Seriously, you aren't getting more than a 3rd round pick most likely. I'd be stunned if they get anything better than that. The league knows how soft he is. This is part of the problems with the Flyers. Their big bodied guys are all as soft as Charmain toilet paper. Jakey was soft and JVR is extra soft. Then you add Hayes to the mix and you get the soft as a baby's bottom triplets. JVR and Hayes should have never been signed here. Thankfully JVR's time is almost up here. Now what to do with Hayes? I dunno... FIRE CHUCK! Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

What is your definition of soft?

Depending on your definition Ill give you JVR. But Jake was in no way shape or form a soft player.

Oh, and FIRE CHUCK!

If I ever respond to any of your post going forward whoever the moderator is has my permission to give me a week ban.

So did JVR pad his stats in the same time frame?
- furio16

JvR is a career NHL player. Cates isn’t.

And don’t give me this. You’re Rinaldo, Hello it’s me, login, Daryl Stanley. It’s not that tough to see you’ll just create another account.

What is your definition of soft?

Depending on your definition Ill give you JVR. But Jake was in no way shape or form a soft player.

Oh, and FIRE CHUCK!
- MBFlyerfan

Guys that don't engage physically and go nowhere near the net. I'll disagree on Jakey. For instance, he had 6 goals last season and 9 the year before. How does that happen with a guy making 8.2 mil a year and getting that much ice time? It's cause he is a perimeter player. He gets his pretty assists, but mainly stays out of the high combat areas. Yes, he is not as soft as JVR and probably not as soft as Hayes, but he is still soft for a player of his size in my eyes.

JvR is a career NHL player. Cates isn’t.

And don’t give me this. You’re Rinaldo, Hello it’s me, login, Daryl Stanley. It’s not that tough to see you’ll just create another account.
- SuperSchennBros

Been on this site since 2006. Long before you.

Words of wisdom in bold.

Been on this site since 2006. Long before you.

Words of wisdom in bold.
- furio16

noob

noob

- MBFlyerfan

I think he believes he’s a television character in a TV world where vague lines like that hold meaning. He’s actually quoting me.

Oh wait, he actually believes I have multiple accounts for the same reasons he does

If coach wants ND on his roster then I question his player personnel decisions. There is no doubt the flyers can put a better younger guy in there for that role.
Provorov is either going to have a very good year compared to his career so far or crash and burn.
I’m not picking much of a middle ground because I think IP is sick of all the losing and trash he’s been playing with.
I’m saying that I think he’s better than he’s played and that’s on him.
I used to be in the IP as a Norris candidate camp but that train has left the station.
If IP can pick up 15 goals and limit the unforced turnovers that’s a very good year for him.
TK in the mid 20 goal range is reasonable.
I’m hoping that TK responds more positively to JT as coach and limits the longer stretches without points.
For any of this to work JT has to rule with an iron fist.
That means if Hayes dogs it in a game then his ice time gets cut.
If IP is playing more like a rookie and panicking then his ice time is cut.
There can’t be any favorites with this roster.
If all men are not on board then hello lottery drawing.

What is your definition of soft?

Depending on your definition Ill give you JVR. But Jake was in no way shape or form a soft player.

Oh, and FIRE CHUCK!
- MBFlyerfan

For his size, I get people saying soft, just not sure scoring 25 goals a season from in front of the net fits soft

For his size, I get people saying soft, just not sure scoring 25 goals a season from in front of the net fits soft
- wcorvette

Agreed. Also JvR has always been pretty good at using his body to shield players from the puck. Just because a guy isn’t a big hitter or fighter doesn’t make them soft. I’m pretty sure JvR has played hurt as well.

Agreed. Also JvR has always been pretty good at using his body to shield players from the puck. Just because a guy isn’t a big hitter or fighter doesn’t make them soft. I’m pretty sure JvR has played hurt as well.
- SuperSchennBros

JVR hardly misses time, a very durable player. His power play net front play has been very good in the past but I didn’t like it for the most part last season. I don’t know if his timing was off or if planning and on ice communication between teammates was nonexistent or what. It seemed like every time he was in front, no one shot; then when he was off to the corner or side of the net, we got a shot-save/cover, like one and done, no rebounds.

JVR hardly misses time, a very durable player. His power play net front play has been very good in the past but I didn’t like it for the most part last season. I don’t know if his timing was off or if planning and on ice communication between teammates was nonexistent or what. It seemed like every time he was in front, no one shot; then when he was off to the corner or side of the net, we got a shot-save/cover, like one and done, no rebounds.
- NC Flyers Fan

The Flyers PP was historically bad last year. Came in with a few goals of recording a franchise low in PP goals for a season. Routinely failing to establish attack time and to get pucks to the net. JVR scored 9 PP goals last season. Equal to or better than players such as Troy Terry, JT Miller, Nazem Kadri, Pavel Buchnevich, Jake Guentzel, Brad Marchand and Mitch Marner. JVR certainly has his faults as a player but he can still score. Both at ES and on the PP. If he can stay healthy and have a decent year. There will be some interest in him at the deadline.

Uninformed people think he is soft. He's not. He's not an aggressive physical player but he is not soft. You don't score goals or make plays at the level JVR has or Jake Voracek has in his career by being soft.

The Flyers PP was historically bad last year. Came in with a few goals of recording a franchise low in PP goals for a season. Routinely failing to establish attack time and to get pucks to the net. JVR scored 9 PP goals last season. Equal to or better than players such as Troy Terry, JT Miller, Nazem Kadri, Pavel Buchnevich, Jake Guentzel, Brad Marchand and Mitch Marner. JVR certainly has his faults as a player but he can still score. Both at ES and on the PP. If he can stay healthy and have a decent year. There will be some interest in him at the deadline.

Uninformed people think he is soft. He's not. He's not an aggressive physical player but he is not soft. You don't score goals or make plays at the level JVR has or Jake Voracek has in his career by being soft.
- MJL

This in a season when many teams had historically great, best ever PP scoring. It was a cavernous difference visually.

noob

- MBFlyerfan

Lol

JVR hardly misses time, a very durable player. His power play net front play has been very good in the past but I didn’t like it for the most part last season. I don’t know if his timing was off or if planning and on ice communication between teammates was nonexistent or what. It seemed like every time he was in front, no one shot; then when he was off to the corner or side of the net, we got a shot-save/cover, like one and done, no rebounds.
- NC Flyers Fan

I don’t think you just sit a player like JvR all season until a team decides they might want him and just chock him up to only being able to fetch a 3rd or a fourth. I don’t know what he’ll bring back, I just know he needs to play to bring back the best possible return, even if it only turns out to be a mid round pick.

I don’t think you just sit a player like JvR all season until a team decides they might want him and just chock him up to only being able to fetch a 3rd or a fourth. I don’t know what he’ll bring back, I just know he needs to play to bring back the best possible return, even if it only turns out to be a mid round pick.
- SuperSchennBros

I guess that if another team gets hit hard with injury, he could be traded with half-salary retained earlier than the trade deadline. I can hope for a 2nd. And yeah, I would think he plays until traded. Maybe not at the top of the lineup though, really depends on how players play under Torts.

I guess that if another team gets hit hard with injury, he could be traded with half-salary retained earlier than the trade deadline. I can hope for a 2nd. And yeah, I would think he plays until traded. Maybe not at the top of the lineup though, really depends on how players play under Torts.
- NC Flyers Fan

I feel like anytime JvR has played well in his second stint as a Flyer came from being in the top six mix (which isn’t always the case), Giroux being out with Covid during the half season and Giroux being traded at this season’s deadline. JvR seems to benefit when Giroux isn’t playing in my opinion.

I feel like anytime JvR has played well in his second stint as a Flyer came from being in the top six mix (which isn’t always the case), Giroux being out with Covid during the half season and Giroux being traded at this season’s deadline.
- SuperSchennBros

I think there is a lot of lineup possibilities. One being a line with…

JVR - Frost - Farabee

I thought JVR played well with Farabee on the RW. It works with Coots also. Maybe Tippett ends up playing LW on a different line. Who knows.

I think there is a lot of lineup possibilities. One being a line with…

JVR - Frost - Farabee

I thought JVR played well with Farabee on the RW. It works with Coots also. Maybe Tippett ends up playing LW on a different line. Who knows.
- NC Flyers Fan

Right. During the half season.

First, I have no comment on Deslauriers. If Torts wanted him, or a player like him, there must be a reason. I think Provorov will do well playing for Torts no matter who he is partnered with. In my opinion, his year last year was the result of attempting to do too much and not having adequate direction from the coaching staff. I'd like to say that Konecny will have a better year but I think not. His play without the puck and sense of defensive responsibility is going to land him in the doghouse. I hope that is not the case.
Now to Coots, the Flyers are putting him in front of the press by himself and think that is a good sign he has done well in rehab and preparation for camp and the season. My guess is Ellis has not progressed well and apparently has had another setback. Not being an insider I have no idea why surgery was not done after initial attempts of rehab proved to not be the answer. My fears are that he will not be a productive member of this team.
Lastly, the GM is continuing the demonstrate he was the wrong choice when hired. His player acquisitions have not remade this team into a contender by any means. Cap management proves to be impossible for him. The trading for Risto was a desperate attempt to do something, anything, to improve the defense. Signing him to the contract extension, after his on ice performance should have been the ticket out of town for Fletcher. Comcast clearly does not care about putting a Cup contending team on the ice, only putting people in the seats. Significant change is needed from the top down!
- south texas hombre

Lol
- corduroy

get outta here with your late start date.