I think the best case scenario that we have is to hope we are a high lottery pick and actually don't get bumped back or god forbid get the top pick and take Bedard (0 chance i'd say). At the deadline, you're dealing vets for every pick you can get and somehow in the offseason a team like zona takes Ellis' contract with a sweetener (we presumably have extra picks after the deadline). Let contracts expire and don't replace them with UFA signings. I think it could be a couple years even if all that came to pass. The main issue is that I don't really want Chuck managing all these critical moves.

Of note, Although the org I am sure is worried about STH and revenue etc, if you do what the Rangers did and be straight with your plan then execute it, I bet fans would understand and support it.
- Hextall271

What vets are moveable? Lets start there.

I am hoping the guy keeps it up but the competition is going to get tougher as we go. I am rooting for him.
- Hextall271

We certainly need someone to step up with Couturier and Farabee doubtful to start the season. Opening night lineup could be...

Tippett-Hayes-Atkinson
JVR-Frost-Konecny
N Cates-Laughton-Hodgson
Deslauriers-J Cates-MacEwen

What vets are moveable? Lets start there.
- furio16

Sanheim should get a 1st plus

JVR should get a 2nd with 50% retention if he has a normal season

Other there's that there's not a lot to sell in terms of vets on expiring deals.

Braun - should get a 4th
MacEwen - maybe a 7th
Brown - maybe a 7th

I think the best case scenario that we have is to hope we are a high lottery pick and actually don't get bumped back or god forbid get the top pick and take Bedard (0 chance i'd say). At the deadline, you're dealing vets for every pick you can get and somehow in the offseason a team like zona takes Ellis' contract with a sweetener (we presumably have extra picks after the deadline). Let contracts expire and don't replace them with UFA signings. I think it could be a couple years even if all that came to pass. The main issue is that I don't really want Chuck managing all these critical moves.

Of note, Although the org I am sure is worried about STH and revenue etc, if you do what the Rangers did and be straight with your plan then execute it, I bet fans would understand and support it.
- Hextall271

yeah, I would say the mark is 3 years. You get top pick this season, load up on picks. That point Hayes has 1 year left, others are gone, cap could be up 10 million. You let the core know the plan, TK, Farabee, Sanheim, Provy will be late 20's and probably at their peak, younger kids will then be in their mid 20's and hoping they added elite talent with Cutter and 23 N 24 top picks, that they hit on some other picks. Is CF the right guy, fair to say no, he has earned the disbelief. If CF makes it to the TDL this season, it will be his last chance, he needs to hit a homerun at the TDL.

Sanheim should get a 1st plus

JVR should get a 2nd with 50% retention if he has a normal season

Other there's that there's not a lot to sell in terms of vets on expiring deals.

Braun - should get a 4th
MacEwen - maybe a 7th
Brown - maybe a 7th
- Feanor

If Laughton has a good season, you should get some play from a good team, looking for depth for the playoffs. Top end conditional 2nd

Arizona should be giving us a pick for Ellis in assuming his contract is fully insured. They could use a replacement for Bryan Little in the 24-25 season. Without his $5,291,667 cap hit, they would be below the cap floor.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/coyotes

If Laughton has a good season, you should get some play from a good team, looking for depth for the playoffs. Top end conditional 2nd
- wcorvette

I don't think there's any interest from anyone in Flyers management, or anyone who will end up in Flyers management, in moving Laughton for that return with 3+ years left.

Do you honestly think that chuckles will be able to accomplish this?
- corduroy

No, but that is what needs to be accomplished this year.

What vets are moveable? Lets start there.
- furio16

JVR, TK and Provy at the very least.

He's having a really strong camp so far, and looks way, way better than a year ago. But I think he's building more of a case to be higher in the recall pecking order than to make the team. Laczynski is still above him on the depth chart at present.
- bmeltzer

This is interesting. He’s wearing #58. I didn’t notice him much Saturday. I saw he got a little net front presence on the PP with Allison on the same unit, which I thought was strange.

Sanheim should get a 1st plus

JVR should get a 2nd with 50% retention if he has a normal season

Other there's that there's not a lot to sell in terms of vets on expiring deals.

Braun - should get a 4th
MacEwen - maybe a 7th
Brown - maybe a 7th
- Feanor

If we're into a full rebuild, I am not just talking about vets on expiring contracts. You'd likely be looking to see what you get for Provy, RR, TK, TDA. Not advocating a trade for any of them but if someone is willing to overpay with solid young player and picks then you consider it.

I think we can give the phony war over Frost a rest. He's going to get a real shot this season at center, and he will either do well and get an extension, or do poorly and get moved this offseason. It's nice he's playing a lot and apparently playing well in preseason, but the only true test will be how he produces in the regular season.
- Feanor

All I l’ll say is, it’s good he’s easily been the most noticeable Flyer. Not all in positive ways. Not all in negative ways. Just noticeable.

Arizona should be giving us a pick for Ellis in assuming his contract is fully insured. They could use a replacement for Bryan Little in the 24-25 season. Without his $5,291,667 cap hit, they would be below the cap floor.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/coyotes
- Feanor

They are always looking for the dead weight contract to get to the floor, so yes I could see that. You can't tell me they won't be looking to cut actual money out the door after a few years playing in a college rink haha

We certainly need someone to step up with Couturier and Farabee doubtful to start the season. Opening night lineup could be...

Tippett-Hayes-Atkinson
JVR-Frost-Konecny
N Cates-Laughton-Hodgson
Deslauriers-J Cates-MacEwen
- Feanor

Holy god. One problem I see is the matchups that Frost will get as 2C. He may get eaten alive.

I don't think there's any interest from anyone in Flyers management, or anyone who will end up in Flyers management, in moving Laughton for that return with 3+ years left.
- Feanor

you think management wants to keep him to help with the kids? I get that, and if they get enough back in picks from other trades, then sure keep him, but I have no issue selling him.

Sanheim should get a 1st plus

JVR should get a 2nd with 50% retention if he has a normal season

Other there's that there's not a lot to sell in terms of vets on expiring deals.

Braun - should get a 4th
MacEwen - maybe a 7th
Brown - maybe a 7th
- Feanor

I will be shocked if JVR gets a 2nd with retention. For some reason I think him and Braun finish the year as Flyers.

Sanheim I cant wait to see what he may bring back. Will be interesting to follow.

Holy god. One problem I see is the matchups that Frost will get as 2C. He may get eaten alive.
- Hextall271

His on ice defensive numbers last season were actually good. One of the lowest ES GA/60 on the team.

If we're into a full rebuild, I am not just talking about vets on expiring contracts. You'd likely be looking to see what you get for Provy, RR, TK, TDA. Not advocating a trade for any of them but if someone is willing to overpay with solid young player and picks then you consider it.
- Hextall271

What makes you think Chuck will trade any of them? Then who is going to overpay for any of them? They are all complimentary players on real teams. I have no issue moving any of them at the end of the day.

JVR, TK and Provy at the very least.
- WhiskeyMan

It has been proven JVR is not moveable.

I don't think there's any interest from anyone in Flyers management, or anyone who will end up in Flyers management, in moving Laughton for that return with 3+ years left.
- Feanor

Agree 100%. Not even for a 20-30 range first imo.

It has been proven JVR is not moveable.
- furio16

It will be different at the deadline with 50% retention. Then the acquiring team will only have to pay him around $540,000 in salary.

It will be different at the deadline with 50% retention. Then the acquiring team will only have to pay him around $540,000 in salary.
- Feanor

I realize all that, still do not think he gets you a 2nd. We shall see.

It has been proven JVR is not moveable.
- furio16

JVR with 3 million left on his contract at the trade deadline will be very movable.
JVR with 7 million on his contract at the beginning of the season is not movable.

It will be different at the deadline with 50% retention. Then the acquiring team will only have to pay him around $540,000 in salary.
- Feanor

the right team, thinking his net front is what they need in the PO, I think you are right. As based upon the fact he has a decent season

This is something I do not want to see to be honest. Not worth the risk to lose your "skill" players. Once in a while I get it.
- furio16

Then it is going to get ugly for us, because Torts is all about blocking shots.

Having said that, I agree completely.