At what point do corporations realize they are wasting money with their luxury boxes?
- Atomic Wedgie

Many already are. It’s also becoming harder to find customers to take as corporations crack down on some graft. I know my old company has employees taking spouses to games now because they can’t get enough customers.

yeah but that's in 2~3 season from now
- dmnted

Ya

the max term is 8 years, 5-6 more than 2-3.

do some leg work and get the man his link of Daly last cap possibly increasing in the few years.
- dmnted

Friedman has said that the league is telling teams that the cap will hit $88M in ‘24-25 and $92M in $25-26

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...-over-next-three-seasons/

Late

They are still subject to change and they often do. Over the last decade there has been many times they projected higher than what the cap actually increased. If a recession settles in you can bet the projections decrease.
- TurdFergeson

Super enlightening. Are you that guy in 2008 that swore up and down that I paid too much for my house?

People with much more information than us are making these projections with a lot more confidence than us. A recession is projectable. A pandemic is not.

Many already are. It’s also becoming harder to find customers to take as corporations crack down on some graft. I know my old company has employees taking spouses to games now because they can’t get enough customers.
- TurdFergeson

In the late 1990s, Toronto was awash with free Blue Jays tix.

So many companies had bought rows and rows of season tix, and couldn’t get rid of them.

If you had email, your inbox was cluttered with offers of free tix.

At what point do corporations realize they are wasting money with their luxury boxes?
- Atomic Wedgie

When it ceases to rain. And even if corps decided on better ways to spend their promo $$ the sports world would find better ways to get it back. Looking for ways that the house will lose isn't worth it. The economy of sports isn't going anywhere but up.

Unless of course the Feds make "skating on ice" or "handling a stick with intent to shoot" a criminal offence. That could only happen if the Green party won.

Super enlightening. Are you that guy in 2008 that swore up and down that I paid too much for my house?

People with much more information than us are making these projections with a lot more confidence than us. A recession is projectable. A pandemic is not.
- The Law

Technically speaking, you did pay too much in 2008.

Luckily, the people you eventually sell it to will pay “Oh my god, you paid waaaaaay too franking much” for it.

Super enlightening. Are you that guy in 2008 that swore up and down that I paid too much for my house?

People with much more information than us are making these projections with a lot more confidence than us. A recession is projectable. A pandemic is not.
- The Law

Huh?

They have made projections multiple times over the last decade plus that have ended up wrong. The PA has then used their votes to increase the cap even though revenues didn’t match. That’s how things got so out of control with escrow even before the pandemic. Their projections are not and have never been great.

Technically speaking, you did pay too much in 2008.

Luckily, the people you eventually sell it to will pay “Oh my god, you paid waaaaaay too franking much” for it.
- Atomic Wedgie

I guess if you're only looking at the price paid against previous years but doesn't that ignore all the rules of economics? "too much" is always measured against the potential gain (and of course the joy of living in it).

When it ceases to rain. And even if corps decided on better ways to spend their promo $$ the sports world would find better ways to get it back. Looking for ways that the house will lose isn't worth it. The economy of sports isn't going anywhere but up.

Unless of course the Feds make "skating on ice" or "handling a stick with intent to shoot" a criminal offence. That could only happen if the Green party won.
- The Law

Yes, but you aren’t addressing my question.

Leagues are creating new revenue streams, and ticket sales are becoming less relevant.

I guess if you're only looking at the price paid against previous years but doesn't that ignore all the rules of economics? "too much" is always measured against the potential gain (and of course the joy of living in it).
- The Law

I was just going for a cheap laugh.

For the record, I’m not James Tanner.

I guess if you're only looking at the price paid against previous years but doesn't that ignore all the rules of economics? "too much" is always measured against the potential gain (and of course the joy of living in it).
- The Law

My dad tells the story of how they bought their Don Mills home in the early 1960s for $18,600, because mom forced him to do it. He thought they had made a huge mistake. They were going to be bankrupt.

We bought in 2003 or 2004. Looking back, we should have upped our budget by $100,000.

Huh?

They have made projections multiple times over the last decade plus that have ended up wrong. The PA has then used their votes to increase the cap even though revenues didn’t match. That’s how things got so out of control with escrow even before the pandemic. Their projections are not and have never been great.
- TurdFergeson

Not quite ..and that's not my point.

Projections were made and have been high/low in the past ...of course. That's stating the obvious. That's what a projection is ...always an estimate ... a best guess. They haven't always been low ...or high.

The Union has a negotiated right within the CBA to elect to alter the Cap by altering their escrow. They've done so a few times b/c they tend to be a little short-sighted ie. pay me now). That has zero to do with projecting revenues.

You're only good point is "nothing is 100%" ....Ok, I concede.

Hollywood is out of ideas. Just keep pumping out more comic book crap and regurgitating old stuff.
- TurdFergeson

Hollywood may be out of ideas, but I'm not!

Thelma & Louise 2

Scene opens with the camera looking out over the canyon from where they drove the car. The drifted polaroid sits in the dirt in the lower frame of the shot. Occasionally you can hear animal noises in the distance.

8 minutes in, there is a sound - faint, like a whimper or a cry.

12 minutes in there is a sound like an explosion from somewhere not too far away - like perhaps at the bottom of a nearby canyon. Smoke rises in the air and dissipates.

1 hour and 45 minutes in, the polaroid is shifted by the wind, and slowly blows off screen.

Roll credits.

Under 2 hours, and WAY under budget. This is the new movie experience where you're encouraged to use your phone during the movie.

Call me, Hollywood.

Yes, but you aren’t addressing my question.

Leagues are creating new revenue streams, and ticket sales are becoming less relevant.
- Atomic Wedgie

Ya, I agree. I'm no futurist but one day we'll be watching the Leafs-Habs in some Tron-like environment. Or maybe our kids will.

The near future though ...I'd be surprised with any meaningful change. People still love going out. (frank), we don't do it enough. Maybe the venues themselves change and offer more ...if for no other reason than drinking $20 beers and taking that cliche selfie with the ice in the background.

Huh?

They have made projections multiple times over the last decade plus that have ended up wrong. The PA has then used their votes to increase the cap even though revenues didn’t match. That’s how things got so out of control with escrow even before the pandemic. Their projections are not and have never been great.
- TurdFergeson

The league is providing teams with projections to help them make contract decisions. Those projections are likely conservative. Teams make their own projections. Yes they might be wrong. The fact that they are advising teams that these are the most likely cap numbers is of some significance. This is fairly straightforward stuff

My dad tells the story of how they bought their Don Mills home in the early 1960s for $18,600, because mom forced him to do it. He thought they had made a huge mistake. They were going to be bankrupt.

We bought in 2003 or 2004. Looking back, we should have upped our budget by $100,000.
- Atomic Wedgie

Oh ya, when I see what others re-sold for I wish I had bought 2.

Glad to hear Sandin has signed. Leafs can now finally trade him for that coveted 4th round draft pic that he is apparently only worth.

The league is providing teams with projections to help them make contract decisions. Those projections are likely conservative. Teams make their own projections. Yes they might be wrong. The fact that they are advising teams that these are the most likely cap numbers is of some significance. This is fairly straightforward stuff
- Canada Cup

Jesus Christ you guys are arguing just to argue ffs. They’ve always provided projections. Most of the times in the past they’ve been off the mark but not by an overly significant amount. These ones are likely going to change as well. That’s all I’m saying. Jesus.

Glad to hear Sandin has signed. Leafs can now finally trade him for that coveted 4th round draft pic that he is apparently only worth.
- rSole

Pffft ....you're such a homer!

Jesus Christ you guys are arguing just to argue ffs. They’ve always provided projections. Most of the times in the past they’ve been off the mark but not by an overly significant amount. These ones are likely going to change as well. That’s all I’m saying. Jesus.
- TurdFergeson

In that case I misunderstood you. My bad.

Jesus Christ you guys are arguing just to argue ffs. They’ve always provided projections. Most of the times in the past they’ve been off the mark but not by an overly significant amount. These ones are likely going to change as well. That’s all I’m saying. Jesus.
- TurdFergeson

Lol ...ok ok we concede. The estimates may not be exact.

Ya, I agree. I'm no futurist but one day we'll be watching the Leafs-Habs in some Tron-like environment. Or maybe our kids will.

The near future though ...I'd be surprised with any meaningful change. People still love going out. (frank), we don't do it enough. Maybe the venues themselves change and offer more ...if for no other reason than drinking $20 beers and taking that cliche selfie with the ice in the background.
- The Law

Had an interesting chat with a bar owner at the end of the summer.

Mrs. Wedgie and I were both working in the office on a Friday. We snuck out early and met at a place in the financial district for drinks and appi’s.

We got there around 3, so got seats at the bar (we both prefer to sit at the bar - more action). Place was still empty.

Got talking to the owner - he told us it’s barely worth his while anymore to open on Fridays, because nobody works downtown on Fridays anymore.

Pre-covid, it was his best night.

Another interesting tidbit: he said his Saturdays are much better post-covid, and it’s from tourists. He has tons more tourists from before. His only guess was he thinks it’s because they’ve built up great reviews online.

Super enlightening. Are you that guy in 2008 that swore up and down that I paid too much for my house?

People with much more information than us are making these projections with a lot more confidence than us. A recession is projectable. A pandemic is not.
- The Law

He also said Mackinonn was getting 10.8M.

Which would be ridiculous in 3 years when the cap is up so much.

Super enlightening. Are you that guy in 2008 that swore up and down that I paid too much for my house?

People with much more information than us are making these projections with a lot more confidence than us. A recession is projectable. A pandemic is not.
- The Law

unless of course you know the right people