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Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Oct 8 @ 6:26 PM ET
Even without the talent you'd like to see guys try to make the right play or making the right play a little late even if they aren't able to execute or get there.

I think with this group there will be a distinct difference between executing the correct play poorly vs doing stupid crap that didn't make any sense which was rampant during the JC years.

- fattybeef

Guess you haven't watched the pre-season cause it looks the same. A forecheck with no structure. Points still left open. No transition in the neutral zone and very little defensive presence in the neutral zone. Players still left alone in front of the net.
No amount of coaching is going to make any difference with this roster. Which goes back to my original point, there is no way it will be possible to evaluate whether Ricardson can coach or not. Which kinda sucks for him but at least he will make some money for a couple of years.




fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Oct 8 @ 6:28 PM ET
Thank you, Zach.
Having lots of early draft picks in next two years looks really good.
Those high picks tend to get to the NHL sooner.

- 35Tony0


Drafting players is very much an odds game and quantity is helpful in that regard.

Even as high as the 3rd overall its less then 50/50 you'll get an excellent player. There's lots of meh mixed in here. Horton, pretty good until injuries - Bouwmeester good player - Gaborik, very good player - Toews and Duchene outstanding players and the rest of the list is meh. Its been a little bit better the last 10 years but not by a huge margin.

2000 – Marian Gaborik (Right Winger, Minnesota Wild)
2001 – Alexandr Svitov (Center, Tampa Bay Lightning)
2002 – Jay Bouwmeester (Defenseman, Florida Panthers)
2003 – Nathan Horton (Right Winger, Florida Panthers)
2004 – Cam Barker – (Defenseman, Chicago Blackhawks)
2005 – Jack Johnson (Defenseman, Carolina Hurricanes)
2006 – Jonathan Toews (Center, Chicago Blackhawks)
2007 – Kyle Turris (Center, Pheonix Coyotes)
2008 – Zach Bogosian (Defenseman, Atlanta Thrashers)
2009 – Matt Duchene (Center, Colorado Avalanche)

Getting that 1 or 2 pick is pretty critical for next year and hopefully another high one the year after gives them a good couple of high end talents to build around.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Oct 8 @ 6:28 PM ET
This team as constructed won’t score 75 total goals this season
- bigfly46

They have one player who can realistically be projected to score more than 20 goals. Kane.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Oct 8 @ 6:28 PM ET
Guess you haven't watched the pre-season cause it looks the same. A forecheck with no structure. Points still left open. No transition in the neutral zone and very little defensive presence in the neutral zone. Players still left alone in front of the net.
No amount of coaching is going to make any difference with this roster. Which goes back to my original point, there is no way it will be possible to evaluate whether Ricardson can coach or not. Which kinda sucks for him but at least he will make some money for a couple of years.

- Elbows15


Yeah I don't watch preseason hockey.
Chisoxhawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: New Bedford, MA
Joined: 09.24.2012

Oct 8 @ 6:59 PM ET
Love the dumpster fires...it might not be a fair comparison, a garbage can fire might be more realistic. While I hate to admit it, this team is STILL making the same mistakes they have been making for quite a few years now, new GM, new coach, it doesn't matter. It is like every other team in the league knows EXACTLY what every Blackhawk player will do in every situation. I have not seen any changes at all...this team could challenge for the worst record ALL TIME. I give Kane a few weeks of this before he BEGS to be traded.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Oct 8 @ 7:14 PM ET
Love the dumpster fires...it might not be a fair comparison, a garbage can fire might be more realistic. While I hate to admit it, this team is STILL making the same mistakes they have been making for quite a few years now, new GM, new coach, it doesn't matter. It is like every other team in the league knows EXACTLY what every Blackhawk player will do in every situation. I have not seen any changes at all...this team could challenge for the worst record ALL TIME. I give Kane a few weeks of this before he BEGS to be traded.
- Chisoxhawk


As bad as it looks they will win more than 9 games. That is the record in futility by the expansion Washington Caps.
Lauerg
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 04.29.2021

Oct 8 @ 7:56 PM ET
As bad as it looks they will win more than 9 games. That is the record in futility by the expansion Washington Caps.
- LAHawk

Don't worry the fans will still come out just so they can here that dated song after a goal. If they ever score one again.
vandymeer23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 10.11.2014

Oct 8 @ 8:21 PM ET
Sucks to see stillman gone. One of the few hawks who plays with heart will hit and fight stands up for teammates. Glad he doesn't have to play for this dumpster fire of a team.
Sad that on a team this bad with spots open not 1 fight in the preseason. Guys on the bubble not trying to be noticed. I know we're tanking but why are we dressing such a vanilla soft team. We could be at least tough and hard to play against. Kane is gonna want out after 5 games. And toews will pout the whole time. I don't see us having a guy besides Kane with 50 points or 20 goals.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Oct 8 @ 8:45 PM ET
This team as constructed won’t score 75 total goals this season
- bigfly46


No worries, they will trade their best players at the deadline.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Oct 8 @ 9:55 PM ET
Blackhawks pre-season goals: 6
Strome & Kubalik pre-season goal: 6

via GIPHY

SC116
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 08.29.2015

Oct 9 @ 12:33 AM ET
Don't worry the fans will still come out just so they can here that dated song after a goal. If they ever score one again.
- Lauerg


Don't be re-diculous ... they'll just switch to playing it when they drop the puck for a faceoff .... it's pure dead genius marketing logic. :D

jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Oct 9 @ 1:26 AM ET
Even without the talent you'd like to see guys try to make the right play or making the right play a little late even if they aren't able to execute or get there.

I think with this group there will be a distinct difference between executing the correct play poorly vs doing stupid crap that didn't make any sense which was rampant during the JC years.

- fattybeef


I don't like saying this and we might not like to admit, that it is often the veterans and biggest stars on our team whose attitude and effort sucks. Too often sycks, to be precise. We are familiar with the Kane rules as befits many star offensive forwards. I notice often that the star players don't feel job security as an issue. So when you have up and coming plus bottom.line players and they represent youth on the team, they might be more willing to battle harder, stick to the coach's blueprint for defense than your veterans..

Now when you have too much youth on the roster, the opposing team usually takes advantage of the inexperience.

So you may see too much inexperience plus too much prima Donna from our group. This is what Richardson has to deal with....and is the hand KD has provided. This all being said,we must get one of the top four picks in '23. Dresming.big and not far fetched, KD might be able to use his '23 picks plus maybe Murphy to move up in the draft. Meaning say Murphy and the Vancouver #2 for a mid to.late first. The payoff is if KD drafts three first round who he really likes. The other first round comes if you trade Kane. A #1 '23 + ? For Kane at trade deadline?. It is possible. The reconstruct would then include three #1 from '23. Or with maneuvering, two of the top 15? With Korchinski and Savoie off to a good start.

Other: Roos is pretty good but will struggle as a youngster at NHL level. If Kane leaves then despite some growth from youngsters the '23 & 24 seasons could be dismal
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Oct 9 @ 7:27 AM ET
So, recognizing the Hawks are in a tear down ( you have to tear it down before rebuilding), and played 4 rookies on defense, the BOD ( some):are freaking out about what probably will occur more times than not during the regular season.

Would those Nostradamus be any happier if the Hawks had basically the same team as last year and no first round picks? Do you think bringing in a veteran coach would of made last years team playoff worthy?

I really don’t care if they score only 75 goals next season. Who of the forwards are going to be on the team in 2 or 3 years? They are pawns to be sacrificed for the greater good hopefully in 5 years.

And I wouldn’t worry about Rocky’s pocketbook. Alchohol related companies do extremely well in bad economic times.

BTW, the Hawks one win was better than the Canadiens who went winless in the exhibition season. I can see Bedard wearing a Canadiens jersey as #1 next year.
ChicagoHope
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lyndon, IL
Joined: 08.13.2007

Oct 9 @ 10:35 AM ET
When you have only 1 legit top 6 forward, WTF do you think this team is going to look like? Kane and Toews will be gone sooner than later. So many holes to fill, KD has a plan, but things are going to be brutal for quite awhile.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Oct 9 @ 10:39 AM ET
So, recognizing the Hawks are in a tear down ( you have to tear it down before rebuilding), and played 4 rookies on defense, the BOD ( some):are freaking out about what probably will occur more times than not during the regular season.

Would those Nostradamus be any happier if the Hawks had basically the same team as last year and no first round picks? Do you think bringing in a veteran coach would of made last years team playoff worthy?

I really don’t care if they score only 75 goals next season. Who of the forwards are going to be on the team in 2 or 3 years? They are pawns to be sacrificed for the greater good hopefully in 5 years.

And I wouldn’t worry about Rocky’s pocketbook. Alchohol related companies do extremely well in bad economic times.

BTW, the Hawks one win was better than the Canadiens who went winless in the exhibition season. I can see Bedard wearing a Canadiens jersey as #1 next year.

- LAHawk


Odds are greater that the Hawks don’t draft #1 overall. I’m hoping for a top 3 pick, that will mark a successful season. Bedard would be the best outcome obviously, but I’m going into the season thinking the Hawks will get Fantilli. Michkov would be good from an on-ice perspective, but given the political climate and his current KHL contract I think the Hawks should stay away, even if they draft #3 and both Bedard and Fantilli have been taken.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Oct 9 @ 10:53 AM ET
Korchinski scored the OT winner for Seattle yesterday, he now has 3 points in 2 games. He’s off to a good start offensively, but his 0% success on face offs is very concerning.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Oct 9 @ 11:04 AM ET
Korchinski scored the OT winner for Seattle yesterday, he now has 3 points in 2 games. He’s off to a good start offensively, but his 0% success on face offs is very concerning.
- DarthKane
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I know we have contributors on the board that are in western Canada, has any seen Brandon Yaeger from Moose Jaw? Hockey News has him rated 4th.

And Wiz, what’s your thoughts on Yaeger?
glennjpawlak22
Joined: 11.26.2013

Oct 9 @ 11:22 AM ET
Korchinski scored the OT winner for Seattle yesterday, he now has 3 points in 2 games. He’s off to a good start offensively, but his 0% success on face offs is very concerning.
- DarthKane


Keep us.posted.o. the next face off winner. That's funny
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Oct 9 @ 11:38 AM ET
Odds are greater that the Hawks don’t draft #1 overall. I’m hoping for a top 3 pick, that will mark a successful season. Bedard would be the best outcome obviously, but I’m going into the season thinking the Hawks will get Fantilli. Michkov would be good from an on-ice perspective, but given the political climate and his current KHL contract I think the Hawks should stay away, even if they draft #3 and both Bedard and Fantilli have been taken.
- DarthKane

Top two would be nice, not sure I’d use the third pick on Michcov due to the political climate, as you mentioned. It will be interesting to see what other picks the Hawks will obtain at TDL.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Oct 9 @ 1:15 PM ET
Would you trade a 2nd and 3rd in 2024 for a 2nd in 2023?
- Ztra



right now, it is easy for me to say, Yes....that based on my knowledge of the thickness in the 2023 class, I would say, yes, but I am not the Blackhawks, who probably are comfortable with the six picks they have in both drafts.

But we cannot predict is how far the later 2024 class will progress and sometimes you have years where the class is full of upside thickness as opposed to closer prospects.
(Like 2022 in my opinion.)

The Blackhawks probably want as many chances to hit to offset misses.

I am more curious how you pay them all if you get some impact guys in the group....thgey could end up losing them if they all start thinking they are clowns of the player they pick in 2023 in the top four slots.



Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Oct 9 @ 1:19 PM ET
Korchinski scored the OT winner for Seattle yesterday, he now has 3 points in 2 games. He’s off to a good start offensively, but his 0% success on face offs is very concerning.
- DarthKane


Hits? How many hits has he had?
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Oct 9 @ 2:00 PM ET
Hits? How many hits has he had?
- Rota's Rooter



45 hits, 49 hits and 99 respectively were Cole maker's hits for each season.

I think that Korchinski was drafted as an offensive carrier passer and attacker.

Hits will be what you get when he is entrenched as an NHler.

It is not like he is big framed wussy.
Ztra
Joined: 06.21.2018

Oct 9 @ 2:23 PM ET
Very active waiver wire today across the league. I wonder if the Hawks tweak their roster a little.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Oct 9 @ 2:36 PM ET
Phillips sent back down and Buddy Robinson out on waivers.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Oct 9 @ 2:39 PM ET
Very active waiver wire today across the league. I wonder if the Hawks tweak their roster a little.
- Ztra


Hawks can claim the legend of the BOD Adam Gaudette, put on waivers.
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