23 games ?

I watched him live he didnt show much
- DirtyDan

54 games?

See how it sounds just as ridiculous?

I see both sides of the coin

he could become that physical shut down d man

or he could become a blah bottom pair d man


today we have no choice but to trust the process

I figured cozens would have been the one they invested in
- homiedclown

Cozens would have to sign the dotted line.... My guess is he want to bet on himself since he knows he can put the biscuit in the basket

There was zero need to do this.

Where was Mattias Samuelsson going? Horrible cap and asset management.

If people on this board are going to tell me Tage Thompson & Mattias Samuelsson are good contracts, they haven't been Watchung hockey long enough. 11.4 million for the next 7 years.

They better pray they work out. Already stuck with Skinner, you have these two offseason contracts, and something tells me they are about to give too much money to Cozens. We will be paying Girgensons 2.0 5.5 million plus for the 30 some points.
- Mentalorgasm5

Taking that approach also led to the Reinhart, McCabe and Ullmark situations. It could also bite the Sabres with Dahlin.

There is a risk to playing it either way

54 games?

See how it sounds just as ridiculous?
- Mentalorgasm5

Lets round back to this in 82 games

Taking that approach also led to the Reinhart, McCabe and Ullmark situations. It could also bite the Sabres with Dahlin.

There is a risk to playing it either way
- Hank Balling

btch when they do btch when they don't

Keep an eye on this McDavid fella... He's definitely on the upswing.

Cozens would have to sign the dotted line.... My guess is he want to bet on himself since he knows he can put the biscuit in the basket
- DirtyDan

you could say the same for mats and tage though

Taking that approach also led to the Reinhart, McCabe and Ullmark situations. It could also bite the Sabres with Dahlin.

There is a risk to playing it either way
- Hank Balling

Not really. Extending them to multiple 1 and 2 year contracts did that

Not sure why we are ignoring the obvious middle ground. One bridge deal, extend long term after that.

People on the board pretending like they know a 2nd round pick who has played in 54 games is gonna be worth 30 million over the next 7 years. Most GMs/scouts/presidents in the NHL making millions wouldnt make such bold claims.

Yesterday they gave themselves an unneeded risk.

Lets round back to this in 82 games
- DirtyDan

Mmmm no. The sabres decided to give the contract now. After 54 games. Not after 82.

Thats the whole point. You need a longer body of work to hand out 7 year guaranteed contracts.

Not really. Extending them to multiple 1 and 2 year contracts did that

Not sure why we are ignoring the obvious middle ground. One bridge deal, extend long term after that.

People on the board pretending like they know a 2nd round pick who has played in 54 games is gonna be worth 30 million over the next 7 years. Most GMs/scouts/presidents in the NHL making millions wouldnt make such bold claims.

They gave themselves an unneeded risk.
- Mentalorgasm5

I think the only other drafted player to get paid like this in the history of the nhl w/o playing a full season was Kaprizov

Not really. Extending them to multiple 1 and 2 year contracts did that

Not sure why we are ignoring the obvious middle ground. One bridge deal, extend long term after that.

People on the board pretending like they know a 2nd round pick who has played in 54 games is gonna be worth 30 million over the next 7 years. Most GMs/scouts/presidents in the NHL making millions wouldnt make such bold claims.

They gave themselves an unneeded risk.
- Mentalorgasm5

And if he performs well, then you pay him more and into his 30s, rather than buying all of his 20s now. It's a risk, yeah, but that bridging alternative is as well. The latter is just risk disguised as patience

I think the only other drafted player to get paid like this in the history of the nhl w/o playing a full season was Kaprizov
- homiedclown

And he had just a slightly different start to his career.

This move is unprecedented, and not in a good way.

you could say the same for mats and tage though
- homiedclown

Cozens would get around that 4 mill mark or less with a bridge, or could wait to the end of the year and get more with term(if successful).

These kids want the bag, they post their teammates and congratulate them, they want it themselves.

Tage and Mats both got great Money and commitment. Cozens would not get that right now.

And if he performs well, then you pay him more and into his 30s, rather than buying all of his 20s now. It's a risk, yeah, but that bridging alternative is as well. The latter is just risk disguised as patience
- Hank Balling

they identified their second long term core player

so there is that

And if he performs well, then you pay him more and into his 30s, rather than buying all of his 20s now. It's a risk, yeah, but that bridging alternative is as well. The latter is just risk disguised as patience
- Hank Balling

Come on, what is a defensive dman gonna do in the next 1 or 2 years that will raise his cap beyond what he just got paid? There isn't a justification for this. He wasn't going anywhere, and due to his role and skill set, he was only going to get paid so much.

Cozens would get around that 4 mill mark or less with a bridge, or could wait to the end of the year and get more with term(if successful).

These kids want the bag, they post their teammates and congratulate them, they want it themselves.

Tage and Mats both got great Money and commitment. Cozens would not get that right now.
- DirtyDan

he could have thrown 6 to 6.5 mil and gamble on futures like the jets did with Scheifele


I mean it's not as outlandish as drafting a goalie in the 2nd round of the 2022 draft

Cozens would get around that 4 mill mark or less with a bridge, or could wait to the end of the year and get more with term(if successful).

These kids want the bag, they post their teammates and congratulate them, they want it themselves.

Tage and Mats both got great Money and commitment. Cozens would not get that right now.
- DirtyDan

There's talk out there that Cozens is the next one that is going to sign long term, and Sabres management is working on that now.

Cozens would have to sign the dotted line.... My guess is he want to bet on himself since he knows he can put the biscuit in the basket
- DirtyDan

All agents are telling their players to sign in buffalo, we're giving away money.

he could have thrown 6 to 6.5 mil and gamble on futures like the jets did with Scheifele


I mean it's not as outlandish as drafting a goalie in the 2nd round of the 2022 draft


- homiedclown

71games 29goals 32assists 61pts the year before he signed that deal...

Not really. Extending them to multiple 1 and 2 year contracts did that

Not sure why we are ignoring the obvious middle ground. One bridge deal, extend long term after that.

People on the board pretending like they know a 2nd round pick who has played in 54 games is gonna be worth 30 million over the next 7 years. Most GMs/scouts/presidents in the NHL making millions wouldnt make such bold claims.

Yesterday they gave themselves an unneeded risk.
- Mentalorgasm5

You're the only poster that feels this way.

Tells you something.

Actually it should tell you something, you're in the minority and wrong.


Anyone else not like the samuelsson signing?

You're the only poster that feels this way.

Tells you something.

Actually it should tell you something, you're in the minority and wrong.


Anyone else not like the samuelsson signing?
- Boss34

89 didn't see it coming and doesn't approve, Maybe he should let his "source" know

Come on, what is a defensive dman gonna do in the next 1 or 2 years that will raise his cap beyond what he just got paid? There isn't a justification for this. He wasn't going anywhere, and due to his role and skill set, he was only going to get paid so much.
- Mentalorgasm5

Both Toews and Samuelsson signed a deal that is a little over 5% of the cap limit.

You bridge him for 2 years, than sign to him to the same 5% of the cap limit deal when the cap limit goes from $82M to $88M, and his salary until he is 32 or 33 goes from $4.3M per to $4.6M per, plus you're now paying him through his early 30's.

If he ends up becoming a top pairing Dman, you can forgot the 5% of the cap hope.

89 didn't see it coming and doesn't approve, Maybe he should let his "source" know

- DirtyDan

Good call with 89
Its gonna be difficult to sign all these guys, get em done 1 at a time.

Great signing IMO.

Come on, what is a defensive dman gonna do in the next 1 or 2 years that will raise his cap beyond what he just got paid? There isn't a justification for this. He wasn't going anywhere, and due to his role and skill set, he was only going to get paid so much.
- Mentalorgasm5

Their justification is that they think they locked down a top-4 D man through 2030 at $4.28m

If they're right, it's a bargain

It's a risk, no doubt, but it's a hell of a payoff if they're right. Top 4 dmen will make a lot more than that in 2028

Come on, what is a defensive dman gonna do in the next 1 or 2 years that will raise his cap beyond what he just got paid? There isn't a justification for this. He wasn't going anywhere, and due to his role and skill set, he was only going to get paid so much.
- Mentalorgasm5

Two things.

One, he and Dahlin could form a true top pairing. If that happens, his pay would definitely go up.

More importantly, two, the cap limit will rise, and notably so in 2 seasons, which means his pay will rise because contracts are often based on comparable deals in terms of percentage of the cap limit at the time the deals were signed.