(1) There’s no limit because it’s driven by injuries and players being unable to play. (2) You can’t be put someone on LTIR unless the team doctor determines you can’t play for the set number of days/games. The league has the right to challenge that determination by having a neutral doctor review the team’s decision. So, it’s really impossible to put a limit in it.
- Canada Cup

(1) Being unable to play - is clearly not something that can be determined with absolute certainty. As was evidenced by the Kucherov/Tampa cap cheat

(2) Doctors just as any professional are not immune to making questionable rulings that can be swayed by self interest.

(1) Being unable to play - is clearly not something that can be determined with absolute certainty. As was evidenced by the Kucherov/Tampa cap cheat

(2) Doctors just as any professional are not immune to making questionable rulings that can be swayed by self interest.
- winsix

I just don't think the PA would ever be okay with a limit. It's unfair because I don't think players fake injuries and if there's bad luck then it's unfair to the team not able to ice a proper team because of bad injury luck.

However, maybe there can be something done for teams trading or having multiple players who likely won't ever play again on their roster purely for LTIR. Maybe it can be construed as cap circumvention.

Opens the door to some serious monkey business by Vegas this year. That rule has to be modified.
- winsix

I’d say a simple rule… a player has to have played let’s say 20 games during the season… another team, AHL, whatever, at least 20 pro games with teams tied to the CBA

I don’t see them changing the Kampf line at all. Robertson can slot in for Malgin when he plays
- Canada Cup

Yup, Robertson slots into the top 6 or nothing at all.

There’s no limit because it’s driven by injuries and players being unable to play. You can’t be put someone on LTIR unless the team doctor determines you can’t play for the set number of days/games. The league has the right to challenge that determination by having a neutral doctor review the team’s decision. So, it’s really impossible to put a limit in it.
- Canada Cup

That’s kind of what I figured but I didn’t know

Kampf out shot 5-1 game 1

4-4 game 2

Out shot 8-3 game 3

Not a strategy for success IMO
- Garnie

It’s line 4, defensive line that takes on shots and gets the puck cleared. Don’t expect them to score much.

What are the numbers for the rest of the line? I thought they looked good. They also seemed to have a bunch of shifts against the top line.
- Canada Cup

Whole line is getting hemmed.

Kampf is a fourth line centre, he's -1 on the season and he's scored a GWG. If he is close to even, he's done a fine job in non-PK minutes. He's one of the main PK guys on the team, no way he sits IMO. If Robertson draws in, it will be for a spot on the top six. Shots against is not surprising seeing that he plays on the PK and the Leafs took five straight minor penalties against Washington (one of the dirtiest teams in the League - just ask a Habs fan)
- winsix

If we need to make room for Nicky it’s got to be someone off line 4.

(1) Being unable to play - is clearly not something that can be determined with absolute certainty. As was evidenced by the Kucherov/Tampa cap cheat

(2) Doctors just as any professional are not immune to making questionable rulings that can be swayed by self interest.
- winsix

The question was whether there’s a limit. There’s no limit because there has to be an injury in the first place and you can’t create. You may disagree with the assessment of the injury but there has to be an injury so you can’t put a limit on the number of players on LTIR.

Secondly, the CBA doesn’t say being you go in if you’re unable to play. It says you go on if your team doctor says you’re unable to play.

Thirdly, on the self interest point, the league had the right to investigate with a neutral doctor. They said they did on Kucherov. We don’t know what that doctor said.

Also on self interest. These are the rules that the teams decided themselves, with the consent of the PA, to put in place. Presumably they all wanted the same self interest. They all agreed to to the rules.

It’s line 4, defensive line that takes on shots and gets the puck cleared. Don’t expect them to score much.
- Dozzer

Problem is theyre not doing well, I’m only suggesting this if they need to bring in Nicky. He’s not going to line 4, that’ll be Engvall I think. He can at least get out of his own zone.

Whole line is getting hemmed.
- Garnie

I saw them have trouble with Giroux’s line at times and I saw Matthews’ line hemmed in by the Sens’ 4th line at times. I’m not sure the answer is replacing a defensive guy with Nickie.

NVM
that’s not what your suggesting

Problem is theyre not doing well, I’m only suggesting this if they need to bring in Nicky. He’s not going to line 4, that’ll be Engvall I think. He can at least get out of his own zone.
- Garnie

Robertson is top 6 or nothing

He’s simply not defensively reliable enough to take over any of the bottom 6 wingers.

It’s pretty obvious that it’s him or Malgin plain and simple… tiny boys… so it’s either A: have Robertson called up to light a fire under Malgin’s ass or B: flip them in and out of the lineup to see who truly accents that line the best.

That line has 6P in 3 games so they’re not doing terribly by any means… so honestly maybe Robertson gets a game but I do truly believe it’s to get Malgin trying harder. Same reason Mete was called up, to get Sandin going.

I think having a lineup where none of the players worry about getting sat for a game shows, hence the call ups.

Robertson is top 6 or nothing

He’s simply not defensively reliable enough to take over any of the bottom 6 wingers.

It’s pretty obvious that it’s him or Malgin plain and simple… tiny boys… so it’s either A: have Robertson called up to light a fire under Malgin’s ass or B: flip them in and out of the lineup to see who truly accents that line the best.

That line has 6P in 3 games so they’re not doing terribly by any means… so honestly maybe Robertson gets a game but I do truly believe it’s to get Malgin trying harder. Same reason Mete was called up, to get Sandin going.

I think having a lineup where none of the players worry about getting sat for a game shows, hence the call ups.
- Dozzer

I think Line 3 could also be a scoring line but we’ll find out tomorrow I guess. Rather be getting ozone time regardless. Line 4 has been run over statistically.

I saw them have trouble with Giroux’s line at times and I saw Matthews’ line hemmed in by the Sens’ 4th line at times. I’m not sure the answer is replacing a defensive guy with Nickie.

NVM
that’s not what your suggesting
- Canada Cup

It’s only been 3 games but the Kampf is elite defensively seem really really flawed by the look of his stats from last year and the start.

I just don't think the PA would ever be okay with a limit. It's unfair because I don't think players fake injuries and if there's bad luck then it's unfair to the team not able to ice a proper team because of bad injury luck.

However, maybe there can be something done for teams trading or having multiple players who likely won't ever play again on their roster purely for LTIR. Maybe it can be construed as cap circumvention.
- Aaron_85

If you look at the players aquired that are likely never to play in the NHL again, they are all a form of cap circumvention. For Arizona to acuire a player like Little or Ladd who are not likely to play - it is a way for the Coyotes to get to the Cap floor without reaching into their pockets to pay a salary. For Tampa with Seabrook and Vegas with Weber it opens the door to help them accumulate (ACSL) Accruable Cap Space Limit.

The Kucherov cheat can be handled relatively easily. In baseball, prior to the playoffs, teams must announce their playoff roster 26 players, players must be on the 40 man roster or on the 60 day DL on August 31st. Similarly, NHL could have a requirement of a playoff roster - which is subject to Cap limitations and certain eligibility rules. This would avoid a situation where a team through deceptive manipulations of the cap, could field a team with a $120M cap hit.

I think Line 3 could also be a scoring line but we’ll find out tomorrow I guess. Rather be getting ozone time regardless. Line 4 has been run over statistically.
- Garnie

Line 4 last year with the likes of Simmonds, Spezza and Clifford has been substantially upgraded IMO. Too early to tell, but additions of ZAR, Aube-Kubel are fine by me. ZAR is one of the top defensive forwards in the NHL. Just by replacing Simmonds with ZAR is a huge improvement.

If you look at the players aquired that are likely never to play in the NHL again, they are all a form of cap circumvention. For Arizona to acuire a player like Little or Ladd who are not likely to play - it is a way for the Coyotes to get to the Cap floor without reaching into their pockets to pay a salary. For Tampa with Seabrook and Vegas with Weber it opens the door to help them accumulate (ACSL) Accruable Cap Space Limit.

The Kucherov cheat can be handled relatively easily. In baseball, prior to the playoffs, teams must announce their playoff roster 26 players, players must be on the 40 man roster or on the 60 day DL on August 31st. Similarly, NHL could have a requirement of a playoff roster - which is subject to Cap limitations and certain eligibility rules. This would avoid a situation where a team through deceptive manipulations of the cap, could field a team with a $120M cap hit.
- winsix

I agree but these are the rules they decided to put in place knowing what the consequences were. They can change them in the next CBA but when GM discussed the issue it was clear that they weren’t distressed by the way it’s working.

It's a little early to be freaking about who slots on the fourth line and things like "top-6 or nothing!"

It's a little early to be freaking about who slots on the fourth line and things like "top-6 or nothing!"
- AdamFrench

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- Canada Cup

Kind of wondering if Murray was not 100% to start the season. So maybe the plan was to get him on LTIR anyway. Playing the first game would erase any suspicion.

Clever move Kyle if so.
- Leafsmart

You would never play a goalie with an abductor (or adductor) injury.

My daughter volunteered today at the Toronto Waterfront Marathon, and came home with a bag of free snacks.

There was a bag of grain-free, vegan, 100% avocado oil nacho chips.

They are so franking disgusting.

Trust me on this one - I ate the entire bag.

My daughter volunteered today at the Toronto Waterfront Marathon, and came home with a bag of free snacks.

There was a bag of grain-free, vegan, 100% avocado oil nacho chips.

They are so franking disgusting.

Trust me on this one - I ate the entire bag.
- Atomic Wedgie

My daughter volunteered today at the Toronto Waterfront Marathon, and came home with a bag of free snacks.

There was a bag of grain-free, vegan, 100% avocado oil nacho chips.

They are so franking disgusting.

Trust me on this one - I ate the entire bag.
- Atomic Wedgie

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