New York. What are those 4 lessons? One has got to be the ability to trade away players. Carolina has always been fantastic at trading down or re-cooping player cost in some way or another. - manvanfan
Vancouver seems to have the approach that every player they draft needs to play their whole career here.
Bruins are a good example of a team who recognizes change is needed and moves forward.
Thornton
Kessel
Seguin
Lucic
Etc
Every trade didn’t work out as well as they would have liked, but being afraid to trade a “good” player is a sure path to failure.
I’m hoping for a Horvat trade in the next two weeks. That sends a pretty significant message to the players, would get you decent return for the future and could help settle the dressing room.
Vancouver seems to have the approach that every player they draft needs to play their whole career here.
Bruins are a good example of a team who recognizes change is needed and moves forward.
Thornton
Kessel
Seguin
Lucic
Etc
Every trade didn’t work out as well as they would have liked, but being afraid to trade a “good” player is a sure path to failure.
I’m hoping for a Horvat trade in the next two weeks. That sends a pretty significant message to the players, would get you decent return for the future and could help settle the dressing room. - 1970vintage
Carolina is the same and so is TB. TB was actually very good at selling even if the value is lower. Drafted Connelly 6oa, didn't work out. Got two 2nd rounders years later. Drouin not working out, trade "down" essentially to get Sergachev and a 2nd rounder.
Canucks have never really sold or been good at selling. I do dream of the day that if even a good player isn't working out that he is traded.
Vancouver seems to have the approach that every player they draft needs to play their whole career here.
Bruins are a good example of a team who recognizes change is needed and moves forward.
Thornton
Kessel
Seguin
Lucic
Etc
Every trade didn’t work out as well as they would have liked, but being afraid to trade a “good” player is a sure path to failure.
I’m hoping for a Horvat trade in the next two weeks. That sends a pretty significant message to the players, would get you decent return for the future and could help settle the dressing room. - 1970vintage
I could see an up and coming team like Buffalo or Ottawa making a serious pitch for him, if he hits the trade market.
Carolina is the same and so is TB. TB was actually very good at selling even if the value is lower. Drafted Connelly 6oa, didn't work out. Got two 2nd rounders years later. Drouin not working out, trade "down" essentially to get Sergachev and a 2nd rounder.
Canucks have never really sold or been good at selling. I do dream of the day that if even a good player isn't working out that he is traded. - manvanfan
Colorado and Carolina are two teams who think they can win the cup who really need a 2nd line C to get it done. Horvat is their guy.
Newhook, E Johnson 2023 1st
Not sure how Carolina could make the $ work. I wouldn’t want Kotkaniemi or Teravainen back and they likely don’t want to disrupt their top 4 D.
I could see an up and coming team like Buffalo or Ottawa making a serious pitch for him, if he hits the trade market. - Reubenkincade
Now that they’ve hitched their wagons to Miller it seems like the only way to move forward. Problem is, Miller isn’t really a C (both a center and a captain), and neither is Petey…
Colorado and Carolina are two teams who think they can win the cup who really need a 2nd line C to get it done. Horvat is their guy.
Newhook, E Johnson 2023 1st
Not sure how Carolina could make the $ work. I wouldn’t want Kotkaniemi or Teravainen back and they likely don’t want to disrupt their top 4 D. - 1970vintage
The Canucks couldn't make the dollars work with the Colorado deal.
Now that they’ve hitched their wagons to Miller it seems like the only way to move forward. Problem is, Miller isn’t really a C (both a center and a captain), and neither is Petey… - 1970vintage
Ya, lack of real centres is a big problem, like not having decent defense prospects.
One of these years, the Canucks will start accumulating some depth in the system, instead of trying to trade or sign UFA's for it.
Also, drafting centres and defense
Not sure the coach, or other management agree with this though, as they have stated they have 3 quality centres. Lol
How many times a week does that person drive? Where do they drive? How far? On what roads? Can I get all that context please so I don't miss anything. What type of vehicle are they driving? How old are they?
I'm an over thinker. My wife wonders what kind of artist you are if you are such a singular thinker. I did say you were an artist (for your context) - manvanfan
Do you talk to your wife about all the conversations you have on the internet? Context is needed
Anyways, have a good day, no point carrying this on.
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By Lachlan Irvine
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When Jannik Hansen made his weekly appearance on The People’s Show on Sportsnet 650, he cut right to the chase: in his eyes, the Vancouver Canucks are in deep, deep trouble. The former Canuck didn’t hold back, firing shots at the team-building approach led by ownership and the front office over the last decade and its’ lack of success, as well as recent messages by the new management team.
Specifically, Hansen pointed to President of Hockey Ops Jim Rutherford’s Saturday night interview on After Hours with Scott Oake, and his use of the phrase ‘retool on the fly’. That phrase has become synonymous in this market with ownership’s willingness to embrace mediocrity in favour of short-term profits, and Hansen knows it.
“This started when they fired [Alain Vigneault] back when we got swept by San Jose. It’s been 10 years, I haven’t seen the fruit of their labour, if you will. I don’t think they’re closer to winning the Stanley Cup than they were when they traded [Kesler]. It seems like you need something radical to shake this up,” Hansen said.
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“Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. We saw this story last year. It’s the same group, it’s the same leaders, it’s the same horses pulling the wagon.”
From there, Hansen broke down the basic fallacies of a retool, and why that kind of team-building strategy is almost always destined to fail.
“This ‘retool on the fly’, we add a couple of pieces, we still have a good core. But what happens is that the core keeps moving, and you’re not quite there. So we’re gonna get two or three, four years down the line, and all of a sudden we have these young players that might become really good, but Petey, Quinn and Demko might be that much older and we’re talking about them like we’re talking about Bo and J.T. right now,” Hansen said.
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“You need to have these guys coming together at the same time if you want to have an opportunity and then fill in around them. But if you keep up this patchwork, you’re always going to be short on players the right age and finding the right guys at the right time.”
Hansen did acknowledge that the road through a full rebuild is painful and difficult, but he also pointed out that so many of the teams that fully invested in the process went on to years of contention.
“Look at Chicago before they picked up Kane, Toews, Keith, and Seabrook and how bad those teams were. And yeah, it was a lot of tough nights. I’m sure they’re looking at Colorado, and how long they were bad. But it comes around and it seems like it comes around quicker if you do that.”
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But when it comes to how the Canucks’ front office should approach these kinds of changes in the public sphere, again Hansen didn’t pull any punches.
“I think the fans in Vancouver and the media, if you come out and tell them that this is what to expect, and not a Jim Benning message that ‘we will fix this in three years’ and seven years later we’re still in the same hole, then you can buy into it,” Hansen said. “There’s gonna be a lot of tough, tough hockey games here. But then there’s a clear path instead of this status quo where you’re just hovering in the middle, you’re not quite good enough to get into the playoffs, but you’re too good to get these draft picks that’ll make a true difference down the line.”
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By Lachlan Irvine
34 minutes ago
1 COMMENT
When Jannik Hansen made his weekly appearance on The People’s Show on Sportsnet 650, he cut right to the chase: in his eyes, the Vancouver Canucks are in deep, deep trouble. The former Canuck didn’t hold back, firing shots at the team-building approach led by ownership and the front office over the last decade and its’ lack of success, as well as recent messages by the new management team.
Specifically, Hansen pointed to President of Hockey Ops Jim Rutherford’s Saturday night interview on After Hours with Scott Oake, and his use of the phrase ‘retool on the fly’. That phrase has become synonymous in this market with ownership’s willingness to embrace mediocrity in favour of short-term profits, and Hansen knows it.
“This started when they fired - Reubenkincade[Alain Vigneault] back when we got swept by San Jose. It’s been 10 years, I haven’t seen the fruit of their labour, if you will. I don’t think they’re closer to winning the Stanley Cup than they were when they traded [Kesler]. It seems like you need something radical to shake this up,” Hansen said.
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“Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. We saw this story last year. It’s the same group, it’s the same leaders, it’s the same horses pulling the wagon.”
From there, Hansen broke down the basic fallacies of a retool, and why that kind of team-building strategy is almost always destined to fail.
“This ‘retool on the fly’, we add a couple of pieces, we still have a good core. But what happens is that the core keeps moving, and you’re not quite there. So we’re gonna get two or three, four years down the line, and all of a sudden we have these young players that might become really good, but Petey, Quinn and Demko might be that much older and we’re talking about them like we’re talking about Bo and J.T. right now,” Hansen said.
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“You need to have these guys coming together at the same time if you want to have an opportunity and then fill in around them. But if you keep up this patchwork, you’re always going to be short on players the right age and finding the right guys at the right time.”
Hansen did acknowledge that the road through a full rebuild is painful and difficult, but he also pointed out that so many of the teams that fully invested in the process went on to years of contention.
“Look at Chicago before they picked up Kane, Toews, Keith, and Seabrook and how bad those teams were. And yeah, it was a lot of tough nights. I’m sure they’re looking at Colorado, and how long they were bad. But it comes around and it seems like it comes around quicker if you do that.”
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But when it comes to how the Canucks’ front office should approach these kinds of changes in the public sphere, again Hansen didn’t pull any punches.
“I think the fans in Vancouver and the media, if you come out and tell them that this is what to expect, and not a Jim Benning message that ‘we will fix this in three years’ and seven years later we’re still in the same hole, then you can buy into it,” Hansen said. “There’s gonna be a lot of tough, tough hockey games here. But then there’s a clear path instead of this status quo where you’re just hovering in the middle, you’re not quite good enough to get into the playoffs, but you’re too good to get these draft picks that’ll make a true difference down the line.”
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla! Joined: 08.15.2014
Oct 26 @ 10:57 AM ET
As new bands go I liked Imagine Dragons, until their music was being used to sell cars and poop, then it was too much. Here’s a dude from Victoria, he was the artist of the month on 91.3 The Zone about a decade ago. Not sure where he’s gotten to now, but this was a catchy track.
- 1970vintage
Not bad. If no one in here hasn't seen Wil yet I would encourage to go out and support him on his next tour of BC. From Van Isle one of the best musicians I have ever seen live and didn't sell out to the music industry to wreck his craft. Brilliant songwriter and performer. I haven't missed his shows in Red Deer since 2005. Guy is unreal good. Strong powerful voice and acoustic electric sounds.
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK Joined: 09.21.2009
Oct 26 @ 11:03 AM ET
Colorado and Carolina are two teams who think they can win the cup who really need a 2nd line C to get it done. Horvat is their guy.
Newhook, E Johnson 2023 1st
Not sure how Carolina could make the $ work. I wouldn’t want Kotkaniemi or Teravainen back and they likely don’t want to disrupt their top 4 D. - 1970vintage
Can't make the dollars work and sure as poop don't want to give up Teravainen to add another guy in.
Our big deadline acquisition is Max Pacioretty. Kotkaniemi is doing just fine stepping into that 2C role.
