Think Bellows puts them at 50.
- Tomahawk

Really don't think the Flyers really hyped him up that much.

The hype basically wrote itself after the D+1 and D+2 seasons he had, plus how well he played at the U20s for Canada.

I personally don't agree with your draft position argument tho. Maybe the average value at that pick isn't high, but there have been a lot of players taken in that range that have actually gone on to do pretty well.

Maybe Frost won't be a superstar but I could still see him having a nice Justin Williams, Vaclav Prospal type of career.
- Tomahawk

I understand what you are saying here, but go through the #27 picks taken in the past 20 drafts or so and name one. Yes for sure there are players taken in that range and way after who have gone on to have great careers, but they are lucky picks IMO.

I understand what you are saying here, but go through the #27 picks taken in the past 20 drafts or so and name one. Yes for sure there are players taken in that range and way after who have gone on to have great careers, but they are lucky picks IMO.
- MBFlyerfan

Then the Flyers have gotten lucky a lot over the years: TK, JWill, Gagne, Giroux, Richie, etc.

At the end of the day, the only thing matters if the player has the talent or not. And I think most would agree that Frost is plenty talented. Just a matter of experience, opportunity and confidence now.

Not like he's a Woywitka or something that we can clearly write off.

Then the Flyers have gotten lucky a lot over the years: TK, JWill, Gagne, Giroux, Richie, etc.

At the end of the day, the only thing matters if the player has the talent or not. And I think most would agree that Frost is plenty talented. Just a matter of experience, opportunity and confidence now.

Not like he's a Woywitka or something that we can clearly write off.
- Tomahawk

Many talented players over the years never put it together or made it on a consistent basis.

Morgan Frost. Owen Tippett. Kieffer Bellows. Pretty awesome we’re picking up all the misses of any first round any year.
- SuperSchennBros

Chuck's Frankenstein monster 😁

Many talented players over the years never put it together or made it on a consistent basis.
- furio16

For sure.

He's in the NHL and making strides. Now it's just wait and see.

No sense in pretending like any of us know how it's exactly gonna shake out.

For sure.

He's in the NHL and making strides. Now it's just wait and see.

No sense in pretending like any of us know how it's exactly gonna shake out.
- Tomahawk

That's the commonsense approach but some think otherwise.

For sure.

He's in the NHL and making strides. Now it's just wait and see.

No sense in pretending like any of us know how it's exactly gonna shake out.
- Tomahawk

I just do not see it happening here for him. For a variety of reasons.

This is definitely a checkers crowd.
- PLindbergh31

Flyers up to 4 waiver claims on the roster lol... 5 if Connauton ever gets called up.

That's like 20% of the team lol

Rocky Thompson on Frost: "Have seen a lot of good moments, for sure. Very highly skilled. Very fast. Needs to use his legs more to take full advantage of his speed. He's become a good defensive player. Did a good job the other night against Tomas Hertl; a tough matchup."

Flyers MB and social media keyboard Keith Allens: "Shows nothing. Not good enough. Pull the plug."
- bmeltzer

Bill! lol!

Anyway. I've never advocated for pulling the plug. I have just said that we need to realize Frost, based on his draft position and other players taken at #27, probably is what he is. We have to stop thinking he is anything more than a 3rd or 4th liner. If, IMO he tops out as a 3rd liner who can put up 40 points a season, he will have turned out to be a good pick at #27 based on the history of that draft position.

I think the Flyers as a franchise have maybe over-hyped him all along based on his draft plus season stats in junior. I just say there was a reason he fell to #27.

And having him as a third line center playing behind Couts and (hopefully) Gauthier down the line may not be all that bad in the future.

I just feel like the franchise touted him like he was a top 10 pick and may have done him a disservice in the process. Especially since he was drafted the same year as Patrick with all that entails.
- MBFlyerfan

MB in that case means Message Board

Anyway. I've never advocated for pulling the plug. I have just said that we need to realize Frost, based on his draft position and other players taken at #27, probably is what he is. We have to stop thinking he is anything more than a 3rd or 4th liner. If, IMO he tops out as a 3rd liner who can put up 40 points a season, he will have turned out to be a good pick at #27 based on the history of that draft position.

I think the Flyers as a franchise have maybe over-hyped him all along based on his draft plus season stats in junior. I just say there was a reason he fell to #27.

And having him as a third line center playing behind Couts and (hopefully) Gauthier down the line may not be all that bad in the future.

I just feel like the franchise touted him like he was a top 10 pick and may have done him a disservice in the process. Especially since he was drafted the same year as Patrick with all that entails.
- MBFlyerfan

Well said! I think Hextall over-hyped him to make the Schenn trade look better, since we know now there was at least some dissent in the room about trading Schenn away at that time for 2 picks. Frost may be just what he is now, a bottom 6 NHL forward.

Flyers up to 4 waiver claims on the roster lol... 5 if Connauton ever gets called up.

That's like 20% of the team lol
- Tomahawk

Hi 👋 Bill who was flyers best waiver pick up alltime 🤔 ❓️ 😁

Whether or not he was, it's all good.

I feel like players like Frost, Bellows, Tippett, Ratcliffe etc have a bit of the Peter White thing going for (against?) them.

I say that in that they dominate up to a certain level due to their size or skillset and then reach a level where that no longer is enough. They either have to adjust their game and adapt to their new reality or fall behind, sometimes permanently. It's not about effort, it's about what limits they have as humans.

I hope I am wrong and definitely want them to find their way.
- MBFlyerfan

Yes, this is what MJL and others do not understand, just because I am critiquing a player does not mean I don't want to find their way and turn into studs. I am a Flyers fan first and foremost, and want the team to succeed. I am not loyal to any one player, coach or GM, I just want the team to be a legitimate contender again and win a Cup for once. Players like Bellows, Frost and Tippet may just be tweeners, players that are really good in the AHL but just don't have enough to differentiate themselves in the NHL. Some just don't want to face this fact and want to keep investing more and more resources to players that frankly are just not going to get it if they haven't by now in their careers. For example, that fact than an NHL level coach has to tell Frost to use his speed and move his feet is just sad when you think of how many year of development Frost has had since he was a child. Even Frost admitted he got lazy in juniors, and I can tell you that is not something you can just turn off and on when you want.

Yes, this is what MJL and others do not understand, just because I am critiquing a player does not mean I don't want to find their way and turn into studs. I am a Flyers fan first and foremost, and want the team to succeed. I am not loyal to any one player or coach, I just want the team to be a legitimate contender again and win a Cup for once. Players like Bellows, Frost and Tippet may just be tweeners, players that are really good in the AHL but just don't have enough to differentiate themselves in the NHL. Some just don't want to face this fact and want to keep investing more and more resources to players that frankly are just not going to get it if they haven't by now in their careers. For example, that fact than an NHL level coach has to tell Frost to use his speed and move his feet is just sad when you think of how many year of development Frost has had since he was a child. Even Frost admitted he got lazy in juniors, and I can tell you that is not something you can just turn off and on when you want.
- jd250

You sound like the kind of "Flyers fan" who wanted the team to waive Laughton when he was 23 and getting 10 ES minutes a night under Hak.

You sound like the kind of "Flyers fan" who wanted the team to waive Laughton when he was 23 and getting 10 ES minutes a night under Hak.
- Feanor

Not at all because Laughton was never hyped like Frost has been. Laughton was always, at least to my recollection, considered to have a ceiling of a mid level forward who can play up and down the lineup. He was never touted as a forward with blazing speed and dazzling skill. But yet I love Laughton as a player and feel he is certainly part of the solution here. But the problem with the Flyers these days is they draft these kids and tout them as high end talent when they are no where near that.

I'm not from the USA but I'm just wondering. What establishment offers the dirtiest, grimiest and most processed burger in all the land?

Flyers up to 4 waiver claims on the roster lol... 5 if Connauton ever gets called up.

That's like 20% of the team lol
- Tomahawk

Throwing more darts at the board while blindfolded.

Which young player that Fletcher gives away goes on to success on another team?
- MJL

According to you,Phil Myers & Nolan Patrick when he traded those Hextall bumms away.

Not at all because Laughton was never hyped like Frost has been. Laughton was always, at least to my recollection, considered to have a ceiling of a mid level forward who can play up and down the lineup. He was never touted as a forward with blazing speed and dazzling skill. But yet I love Laughton as a player and feel he is certainly part of the solution here. But the problem with the Flyers these days is they draft these kids and tout them as high end talent when they are no where near that.
- jd250

the statements from the coaches you so like to interpret also stated Frost has been really good on the D side of the puck, above you mention the hype of Frost compared to Laughton, sounds like the hype is driving your negative view of Frost. Just my opinion, but you might want to step back, give a bit and look at all of the information from an independent perspective, maybe you will feel the same, who knows, we all have our own thought process

You sound like the kind of "Flyers fan" who wanted the team to waive Laughton when he was 23 and getting 10 ES minutes a night under Hak.
- Feanor

His comments show zero sign of any hockey intelligence whatsoever.

Not at all because Laughton was never hyped like Frost has been. Laughton was always, at least to my recollection, considered to have a ceiling of a mid level forward who can play up and down the lineup. He was never touted as a forward with blazing speed and dazzling skill. But yet I love Laughton as a player and feel he is certainly part of the solution here. But the problem with the Flyers these days is they draft these kids and tout them as high end talent when they are no where near that.
- jd250

This hype is imagination in your fantasy world. The very premise is illogical, senseless and just plain stupid. As if any perceived hype has anything to do with a realistic look and judgement on Frost as a player currently.

This is definitely a checkers crowd.
- PLindbergh31

Checkers meh I’m master class in chutes and ladders who wants to risk a case of Chimay Blue?

I can not find first flyer to reach 30 points of Frost or Bellows on any betting site.