The likely long term impact of that over the course of the season is more injuries.
- Letterkenney

With the talent level on this team I believe they are running on adrenaline for now but by January the slide will begin. There are no bonafide stars on this team. Farabee has star power if he can stay healthy. Frost is ice cold to me, like Tippett though.

I love Torts. He has fire in the tank and generally makes the right decisions. He is an experienced coach now and has learned from previous mistakes but one thing for sure is if you don't give a hundred percent as a player your going to hear about it. The only time I can recall Torts making wrong decisons was his time in Vancouver. Can you imagine benching or demoting the Sedins who always showed up. Canuck fans are still baffled but other than that Torts is the most entertaining and to the point coach in the league.
- joegreif17

How so? Any examples? What happened to that modern day offense he talked about months ago?

I agree that Torts always spins the wheel, lol. However usually it is a player that needs to be better. His style is to make the player or break the player. There will be no leisure club on his teams which is a good thing. Does he spin the wheel once a week or is it a monthly spin? HaHa
- joegreif17

Is there a player on this team besides Hart that doesn't need to be better? To this point I'm unimpressed with Tortorella. An archaic coach for an archaic team.

If argue that Hart is seeing all of the shots tho, in the past two years the high danger chances were back door or cross ice lay ups. He’s at least able to square to the shooter this year. The game is in front of him. Is it just a coincidence that most goalies flourish under Torts?
- ClaudeFather

You nailed it, considering the talent level Torts is getting pretty decent results. I can assure you if those high quality scoring chances other teams has last year were happening now Hart would not be looking this good.

If argue that Hart is seeing all of the shots tho, in the past two years the high danger chances were back door or cross ice lay ups. He’s at least able to square to the shooter this year. The game is in front of him. Is it just a coincidence that most goalies flourish under Torts?
- ClaudeFather

The point is really with the amount of shot traffic and scoring chances that the team gives up. How long will Hart be able to flourish?

Whatever it may be, you listen to Torts and he’s spot on evaluating most of these guys. His pre game on Risto is literally what everyone in here says about his game.
- ClaudeFather

I thoroughly enjoy listening to him explaining thing and why he does what he does.
He might be an old school coach, but he does have his head in the game

You nailed it, considering the talent level Torts is getting pretty decent results. I can assure you if those high quality scoring chances other teams has last year were happening now Hart would not be looking this good.
- joegreif17

Hart is getting decent results. Though yes the talent is bad and no coach is a miracle worker. This team playing wise is terrible. Not sure how any other conclusion can be made.

He has just made several baffling decisions to me. Many like him as he says what they want to hear.

When he decides he doesn't want X player moving forward I cant wait to see what the GM does. My guess is the ones he doesn't want have next to zero trade value.

Torts has already fired shots at the organization regarding their views on specific players. First one was when they tried to saddle him with Hodgson...His comments were along the lines of "Everyone within the organization that's seen him (Chuck, Danny, Lappy etc) keep telling me he's such a good player, but I've yet to see it, but that's what they keep telling me..."

Fletcher then later states publicly "Hodgson had a real good camp, is a useful player etc.."

Torts publicly states " Listen, the kid was terrible/had a horrible camp" and Hodgson got sent back to Lappy....

Now it's on to Risto....None of this is a good look for those guys upstairs
- Flyerfan2868

All of the above is a problem. You’re telling me it takes a coach to come in here and tell a GM with the serves of scouts how to properly evaluate talent?

This is a good thing? I mean, we already have a development issue. Everything you just posted here makes me hang my head.

How so? Any examples? What happened to that modern day offense he talked about months ago?
- furio16

The best example was his tenure in Vancouver. The Sedins always come to play and were the best two players on the team. Torts spun the wheel and it landed on Sedin. They both look alike so he picked them both and relegated them to fourth line with limited pp and ice time. He treated the twins like crap and to this day the Sedins will not publicly say anything bad about Torts. They got mistreated big time for nothing they were responsible for. Torts was a madman that year. He was also very wrong. I do believe he learned something from that experience. Canuck fans hated him but personally I think he is the perfect coach for the Flyers at this time. He will get the best out of this marginal talent.

Where is Cam Atkinson?
- Feanor

I forgot he was even on the team...

If argue that Hart is seeing all of the shots tho, in the past two years the high danger chances were back door or cross ice lay ups. He’s at least able to square to the shooter this year. The game is in front of him. Is it just a coincidence that most goalies flourish under Torts?
- ClaudeFather

They're still happening...



The difference he's stopping everything.

Most of the rest of the games look like this:



Aside from a couple of hero blocks, they looking (frank)ing horrible.

It would be good for Tortorella to keep Risto in the lineup regardless of how he is playing. He is a veteran with sandpaper who takes the body and clears the porch.

His real value is demonstrated in the playoffs when the checking gets tight. This team will need that when they make their run.

Where is Cam Atkinson?
- Feanor

"
"Day to day he should be ready for the season opener."
CHUCK

Hart has played just 8-games and has already saved 15.9 goals above expected.

He's facing a LOT of quality chances (even more than last season). Instead of AVs comedic over-pursuit they now just turtle and pray. Neither is conducive to really making life easier on Hart.
- Tomahawk

To your eye test, are the quality of the shots he is facing the same as last year? I feel the stat you mentioned does not account for the time/space shooter has. Just location.

Btw, did you notice Kreider's sh % last year stayed 20ish? You predicted it would revert to mean.

It is next to impossible to ship Risto out. 5 more years over 5 per. There will be no interest imo. Unless you swap bad contract for bad contract. The coach may have no choice but to try t make it work.

Him benching Risto is a stain on the GM's face at this time.
- furio16

CF is a horrible, outmatched, and just bad GM. He has condemned the Flyers to another decade of mediocrity. He cannot be fired soon enough. He will be the unfortunate gift that keeps on giving. Contracts for Risto, Coots, Ellis (trade), Sanheim (unless we can get a good return in a trade) will be the CF gifts that keep on taking. CF is just ungood. He sold the fans a bill of goods with his “aggressive retool” and makes poor decisions. He is certainly not Cliff Fletcher by any stretch.

"
"Day to day he should be ready for the season opener."
CHUCK
- THE EVIL WITHIN

October 2023?

The best example was his tenure in Vancouver. The Sedins always come to play and were the best two players on the team. Torts spun the wheel and it landed on Sedin. They both look alike so he picked them both and relegated them to fourth line with limited pp and ice time. He treated the twins like crap and to this day the Sedins will not publicly say anything bad about Torts. They got mistreated big time for nothing they were responsible for. Torts was a madman that year. He was also very wrong. I do believe he learned something from that experience. Canuck fans hated him but personally I think he is the perfect coach for the Flyers at this time. He will get the best out of this marginal talent.
- joegreif17

His time in Vancouver was an utter failure.

Disagree as he is not the perfect coach for this team. Getting the best out marginal talent is the worst thing that can happen this season. It will do nothing to advance the future of this team. He is an archaic coach with archaic tendencies that will not win in the current NHL. There is a reason no other team even showed any interest in him with all those job openings.

His message will grow very old with a team so far away from winning.
Maybe they can trade him to the Leafs.

They're still happening...



The difference he's stopping everything.

Most of the rest of the games look like this:



Aside from a couple of hero blocks, they looking (frank)ing horrible.
- Tomahawk

Jonesy was right... that was a goal tending clinic.. with a train wreck in front of him.

So if Torts doesn’t like Ristolainen and most of you as fans say you never liked Ristolainen, how is this a good thing? Because to me, this is telling about our GM.

They're still happening...



The difference he's stopping everything.

Most of the rest of the games look like this:



Aside from a couple of hero blocks, they looking (frank)ing horrible.
- Tomahawk

We are talking about the goaltending tho. That Florida video is the perfect example, not much got through and if it did it wasn’t a ten bell save or close to it. The players don’t look great but the roster is atrocious

The point is really with the amount of shot traffic and scoring chances that the team gives up. How long will Hart be able to flourish?
- MJL

I’m not expecting him to finish with a .940 but .920 is very realistic

To your eye test, are the quality of the shots he is facing the same as last year? I feel the stat you mentioned does not account for the time/space shooter has. Just location.
- PT21

For example, this is how much time and space that AM had before he scored off a one-time pass from behind the net:


Felix stopped the initial blast too... AM tucked in the rebound.

Btw, did you notice Kreider's sh % last year stayed 20ish? You predicted it would revert to mean.
- PT21

He's at 9.1% now.

So if Torts doesn’t like Ristolainen and most of you as fans say you never liked Ristolainen, how is this a good thing? Because to me, this is telling about our GM.
- SuperSchennBros

Some of us have known that chuckles sucks long before Torts came to town

We are talking about the goaltending tho. That Florida video is the perfect example, not much got through and if it did it wasn’t a ten bell save or close to it. The players don’t look great but the roster is atrocious
- ClaudeFather

A lot of those saves were tougher than they looked.

All of the above is a problem. You’re telling me it takes a coach to come in here and tell a GM with the serves of scouts how to properly evaluate talent?

This is a good thing? I mean, we already have a development issue. Everything you just posted here makes me hang my head.
- SuperSchennBros

Fletcher didn’t just become a moron. He’s been terrible for his entire career and no one has had the stones to tell him publicly when he’s wrong.

Torts is probably one of the few people in the hockey community who isn’t afraid to tell the truth to daddy Fletcher’s little boy.