cant argue, even on Zac and I have complained about him, currently, they have earned their way. RR did play better, torts hits again. Of course, all teams go through losing spells, that is when we will see what we really have.
- wcorvette

I think Risto for the first time in his career heard ... "Hey, sit down right here and stay here until you improve your entire game!" I love that Torts stated he believes Shaw can work with Risto and really improve him, and given Rist is in the first year of a 5 year deal, he has plenty of incentive to listen.

Careful now, giving praise to MacEwen may cause you problems. Some on this board say he does not belong in the NHL and his teammates are most likely laughing at him behind his back.
- WhiskeyMan

I'll tell you who is not laughing, the other team when they take a hit from MacEwen as he creates space and sets up another Flyers goal.

That's not the case here. Listen to it. You'll be surprised to find out a number of things that were not disclosed publicly previously. As well, you'll be surprised to find out that his agent is a black guy that's been deeply involved in diversity efforts in the NHL. Give it a listen.
- Letterkenney

I did and thank you for posting. I did know already Miller's agent was black.

For as long as I have known the Flyersfandom, they have bemoaned the lack of great goaltending. Like their Achilles heel which failed them when they could almost taste triumph. Until the day they called up Carter Hart, too early mind you, but then there was hope. You don’t trade away the thing you always said you wanted because your in a tough spot. Being a goalie in Philly is tough, goalie’s like Hart don’t grow on trees. No trade.
- NC Flyers Fan

In reality I don't think he gets traded but we're on Hbuzz so fantasy ideas of trades makes sense.

Samsonov of was also kicked to curb in Washington….for Hart your going to have to include a 1rst and at least a Nylander….2nd rnd picks are not viewed as having very much significance. A TOR one would be somewhere in the 50 th pick range. I know Fletcher sucks as a GM….but he wouldn’t be one for much longer if Hart got dealt for a castoff and a draft pick in the 50’s.
- landros 2

So you think a goalie outside of 8 games this season, with a GAA above 3 and about a .905 sv percentage is worth a first and Nylander? Come on now.

If you value his start then in the same case Samsonov has to be valued with his start. Everyone was shocked he was let go by Washington, he was sought after.

It is a terrible offer. Would you do it if you where the Flyers GM?

Keep the pick and Samsonov. Moving 2 million in salary while having to add money next season to address the goalie situation doesn't seem ideal in any way. The end of the day they end up paying more money more than likely.

There is no need to make a counter offer. Unless it is an overpay there is no value in trading him at this time. None.
- furio16

Glad to know you don't have any ideas on actual value. You prefer to just shut things down instead of having a discussion on h-buzz. As I said, I'd up it to a straight first round pick for him. Which is pretty good because outside of this season he has a 900 save percantage and above 3 GAA. His stats are terrible.

HDA. What a sham.

Glad to know you don't have any ideas on actual value. You prefer to just shut things down instead of having a discussion on h-buzz. As I said, I'd up it to a straight first round pick for him. Which is pretty good because outside of this season he has a 900 save percantage and above 3 GAA. His stats are terrible.
- Aaron_85

What am I shutting down? Did you not read the part of unless it is an over payment there is no value in trading him at this time.

If his stats are so terrible why would a Leaf’s fan want him as the the next revolving goalie coming through the door. Seems odd. Especially since you talked up Samsonov. I am not even a huge Hart fan.

What am I shutting down? Did you not read the part of unless it is an over payment there is no value in trading him at this time.

If his stats are so terrible why would a Leaf’s fan want him as the the next revolving goalie coming through the door. Seems odd. Especially since you talked up Samsonov. I am not even a huge Hart fan.
- furio16

I see potential in Hart as Murray isn't the long term solution. Samsonov MIGHT be but I don't think he stays beyond this year if he plays as well as he has been. If I were Dubas trading for Hart I see an additional year in keeping him. That's why I suggested a first round pick at best, that in hopes he plays better in Toronto.

I asked you what you think is fair and you didn't come back with anything other than "an overpayment". I don't understand how a fan who isn't a "huge hart fan" only considers an overpayment, not even suggesting what fair value is or why it only takes an overpayment. If you're not a huge fan then why do you want to keep him so bad?

Like stating "only an overpayment" would be me answering your original question with "a fair offer".

I see potential in Hart as Murray isn't the long term solution. Samsonov MIGHT be but I don't think he stays beyond this year if he plays as well as he has been. If I were Dubas trading for Hart I see an additional year in keeping him. That's why I suggested a first round pick at best, that in hopes he plays better in Toronto.

I asked you what you think is fair and you didn't come back with anything other than "an overpayment". I don't understand how a fan who isn't a "huge hart fan" only considers an overpayment, not even suggesting what fair value is or why it only takes an overpayment. If you're not a huge fan then why do you want to keep him so bad?

Like stating "only an overpayment" would be me answering your original question with "a fair offer".
- Aaron_85

I’m a huge Hart fan.

I’m admittedly defensive. I feel a need to guard against the perception that it’s okay to trade him after the years/decades of wishing for exactly what he can bring. Philly fans are so incredibly tough on the goalie. I am gonna pretend it’s fantasy hockey as you suggest. Carry on.

I see potential in Hart as Murray isn't the long term solution. Samsonov MIGHT be but I don't think he stays beyond this year if he plays as well as he has been. If I were Dubas trading for Hart I see an additional year in keeping him. That's why I suggested a first round pick at best, that in hopes he plays better in Toronto.

I asked you what you think is fair and you didn't come back with anything other than "an overpayment". I don't understand how a fan who isn't a "huge hart fan" only considers an overpayment, not even suggesting what fair value is or why it only takes an overpayment. If you're not a huge fan then why do you want to keep him so bad?

Like stating "only an overpayment" would be me answering your original question with "a fair offer".
- Aaron_85

Oh you see potential. So do you think the Flyers see any potential?

There is no fair value at this time IMO. If you cant figure that out than that is on you as it has been explained in several post. Getting a late 1st does nothing to help the Flyers at the current time.

Has nothing to do with wanting to keep him so bad. Again what part of unless they are going to tear it down completely didn't you get when it comes to trading Hart. Why trade him if your trying to build your team? My apologies that late 1st would be worth it.

I thought the agent interview was worthwhile. The agent said that he did exhaustive research to find out the facts with timelines. He says that his goals were for healing between the victim and the perpetrator and rehabilitation for Mitchell and that he continues to do the work that he has started. That’s a good thing.
- Minnyhock

yeah i listened to it yesterday. i feel like you have to take everything he says with a grain of salt though just because mitchell is his client and he can make money if he signs with a team. and yes, i know the agent is a black guy.

I see potential in Hart as Murray isn't the long term solution. Samsonov MIGHT be but I don't think he stays beyond this year if he plays as well as he has been. If I were Dubas trading for Hart I see an additional year in keeping him. That's why I suggested a first round pick at best, that in hopes he plays better in Toronto.

I asked you what you think is fair and you didn't come back with anything other than "an overpayment". I don't understand how a fan who isn't a "huge hart fan" only considers an overpayment, not even suggesting what fair value is or why it only takes an overpayment. If you're not a huge fan then why do you want to keep him so bad?

Like stating "only an overpayment" would be me answering your original question with "a fair offer".
- Aaron_85

Here is the thing. The Flyers lack high end talent. Hart still has the potential to be a top goalie in this league. It would not make sense for the Flyers to trade Hart with the top piece coming back being a potentially late round 1st round pick. It makes far more sense for the Flyers to hold onto Hart at this point in time. If they were to consider trading him, now is not the right time. Maybe at the apex of his development. Of course, that could go the other way also. That's a risk

Oh you see potential. So do you think the Flyers see any potential?

There is no fair value at this time IMO. If you cant figure that out than that is on you as it has been explained in several post. Getting a late 1st does nothing to help the Flyers at the current time.

Has nothing to do with wanting to keep him so bad. Again what part of unless they are going to tear it down completely didn't you get when it comes to trading Hart. Why trade him if your trying to build your team? My apologies that late 1st would be worth it.
- furio16

I dont think you get me and that's fine. I probably wasn't clear enough. I truly don't believe Hart is being traded any time soon nor do I think Dubas is making another trade for a goalie like Hart aslong as his tandem is seemingly healthy this year.

I do think Hart gets a first round pick IF Flyers were looking to rebuild and didn't see him as the future, for whatever reason.

TO answer your question, flyers would trade him if they felt building for the future would take them beyond when he was in his prime and cost them too much in the mean time.

I’m a huge Hart fan.

I’m admittedly defensive. I feel a need to guard against the perception that it’s okay to trade him after the years/decades of wishing for exactly what he can bring. Philly fans are so incredibly tough on the goalie. I am gonna pretend it’s fantasy hockey as you suggest. Carry on.
- NC Flyers Fan

Flyers fans and leaf fans are tough on players. What can I say? Both are pretty passionate fan bases.

I’m not in any way trying to minimize that what Mitchell did to Isaiah was anything other than horrible. The agent points out misconceptions in the podcast. I think the podcast gives some additional perspective. The agent characterized himself as an analysis paralysis type and wouldn’t have represented Mitchell until certain conditions were met. I believe he did his due diligence in getting the facts. Like MB said, it would be easy enough for someone to expose the agent if they weren’t the facts.
- Minnyhock

There are many sides to the story for sure. Which is why I posted Isaiah’s words. He should be heard too.

Here are a few relevant articles regarding the agent’s statement and later comments. I personally take the Bruins and agent’s stories with a cup of salt since both have monetary and image concerns that can be prioritized.

https://www.bladeofsteel....-issuing-statement-173295

https://bostonhockeynow.c...t-contradicts-cam-neelys/

There are many sides to the story for sure. Which is why I posted Isaiah’s words. He should be heard too.

Here are a few relevant articles regarding the agent’s statement and later comments. I personally take the Bruins and agent’s stories with a cup of salt since both have monetary and image concerns that can be prioritized.

https://www.bladeofsteel....-issuing-statement-173295

https://bostonhockeynow.c...t-contradicts-cam-neelys/
- NC Flyers Fan

At this point in time, not to be cold or dismissive of his feelings, which he is entitled to but, Isaiah's words don't matter at this point. One, we know what was done already by Miller. That's not in dispute. Whether Isaiah considers him a friend or not is irrelevant.

There are many sides to the story for sure. Which is why I posted Isaiah’s words. He should be heard too.

Here are a few relevant articles regarding the agent’s statement and later comments. I personally take the Bruins and agent’s stories with a cup of salt since both have monetary and image concerns that can be prioritized.

https://www.bladeofsteel....-issuing-statement-173295

https://bostonhockeynow.c...t-contradicts-cam-neelys/
- NC Flyers Fan

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. The agent said that Sweeney and Neely were present at the meetings and people on the ownership side dropped in to ask Mitchell and his mother and the agent questions. He claims the Bruins were informed and the agent responded to the new information comment from the Bruins. I was disappointed when he avoided the question about whether the Commissioner knew. But either way it’s understandable about why he wouldn’t want to comment.

At this point in time, not to be cold or dismissive of his feelings, which he is entitled to but, Isaiah's words don't matter at this point. One, we know what was done already by Miller. That's not in dispute. Whether Isaiah considers him a friend or not is irrelevant.
- MJL

No, they always matter. In this instance, Isaiah’s words run counter to what Miller’s agent said he “thinks” was said between his client and Isaiah and his opinion of how things stand. You can choose to just believe the agent if you wish, but others may want to see as many sides to the story as possible.

The agent claimed volunteer hours on behalf of his client and two of the organizations deny that they have ever worked with Miller. There is an unknown of how many of his volunteer hours were court ordered and if any extra to that has happened yet. Volunteer hours aren’t the be all end all, but lying about it says something.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. The agent said that Sweeney and Neely were present at the meetings and people on the ownership side dropped in to ask Mitchell and his mother and the agent questions. He claims the Bruins were informed and the agent responded to the new information comment from the Bruins. I was disappointed when he avoided the question about whether the Commissioner knew. But either way it’s understandable about why he wouldn’t want to comment.
- Minnyhock

It seems Miller is still on the payroll for the Bruins right now. Did he lose his AHL eligibility? Are the Bruins going to get him therapy and work to see where his character is right now? Not sure on what the situation is.

No, they always matter. In this instance, Isaiah’s words run counter to what Miller’s agent said he “thinks” was said between his client and Isaiah and his opinion of how things stand. You can choose to just believe the agent if you wish, but others may want to see as many sides to the story as possible.


- NC Flyers Fan

Here are the very simple facts. In Isaiah's letter, he talks about what was done to him. We already have that information. Secondly, Isaiah says he is not Miller's friend. I wouldn't expect him to be. The question there is if you think Miller's ability to sign an ELC or play in the NHL should be contingent upon Isaiah accepting or considering Miller as a friend. Any reasonable person would say no. So, his letter doesn't matter.

The agent claimed volunteer hours on behalf of his client and two of the organizations deny that they have ever worked with Miller. There is an unknown of how many of his volunteer hours were court ordered and if any extra to that has happened yet. Volunteer hours aren’t the be all end all, but lying about it says something.
- NC Flyers Fan

For one, the agent said that in clear language that Miller has committed to working with the Carnegie institute. Not that he has worked with them. So, the Carnegie institute statement is not contradictory.

The agent said that he has worked with Adaptive Sports Ohio. The statement was made in regard to Special Hockey in AZ or OH. Sounds like two different organizations to me but I could be wrong.

It seems Miller is still on the payroll for the Bruins right now. Did he lose his AHL eligibility? Are the Bruins going to get him therapy and work to see where his character is right now? Not sure on what the situation is.
- NC Flyers Fan

That’s confusing to me as well. He signed a contract so it has to be honored,no? The agent said that it was a standard player contract with no special moral or ethical clauses attached.

That’s confusing to me as well. He signed a contract so it has to be honored,no? The agent said that it was a standard player contract with no special moral or ethical clauses attached.
- Minnyhock

To my knowledge, all SPC's have some kind of moral clause in it. Which is why it's called a Standard player contract. Other than negotiated bonuses and salary, they're all the same.

It seems Miller is still on the payroll for the Bruins right now. Did he lose his AHL eligibility? Are the Bruins going to get him therapy and work to see where his character is right now? Not sure on what the situation is.
- NC Flyers Fan

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Careful now, giving praise to MacEwen may cause you problems. Some on this board say he does not belong in the NHL and his teammates are most likely laughing at him behind his back.
- WhiskeyMan

I think Zac should be laughing behind most of his teammates’ back.