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Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Nov 9 @ 3:25 PM ET
The referring yesterday was worst than that department…

The strangest was giving that penalty shot after the player was able to breakaway and get a shot on Allen…. I am still trying to understand this one…. If he scores, do they allow the goal and give the penalty shot over that?

- TheInformer697041


good question, I know it was stated that the chance to score didn't cancel the deserving penalty shot, but I'm guessing if he scored then no, they wouldn't have called one.
TheInformer697041
Joined: 07.27.2021

Nov 9 @ 3:27 PM ET
oh!
- fidopro


Oh Canada!!!
TheInformer697041
Joined: 07.27.2021

Nov 9 @ 3:28 PM ET
good question, I know it was stated that the chance to score didn't cancel the deserving penalty shot, but I'm guessing if he scored then no, they wouldn't have called one.
- Pat1993


So he got 2 chances to score when the penalty shot is there to ensure you get one…
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Nov 9 @ 3:30 PM ET
So he got 2 chances to score when the penalty shot is there to ensure you get one…
- TheInformer697041


I think the logic is that on the initial chance during the play he was prevented from fully getting that chance, hence the penalty shot.
Mashadar
Location: Let the creamy goaltending season begin! - EK
Joined: 08.31.2014

Nov 9 @ 3:33 PM ET
Doesn't matter Pat.

Look at Tkachuk trying to take a goaltender's eye out, he has a history, still got 2 games.

The department of player's safety is a joke.

- Scabeh


I get in a game that moves as fast as NHL hockey, there are going to be calls made because of that which are somewhat subjective. There needs to be a progressively harder punishment for repeat offenders, but that will likely not happen in my lifetime.

Overall, there is a clear lack of coherent consistency... it is like goalie interference, you just never (frank)ing know how that is gonna be called.


TheInformer697041
Joined: 07.27.2021

Nov 9 @ 3:35 PM ET
«A two-game suspension cost #Habs Josh Anderson $59,459.46 in forfeited salary and will cost Juraj Slafkovsky $10,270.28 -- all the money goes to the Players’ Emergency Assistance Fund. »

… to help pay the psychologist and dope cost of another past NHL offender…

So some guys can end up getting a payback over the fines they pay….
Fredo
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Symba thinks Prague is in Poland
Joined: 03.16.2015

Nov 9 @ 3:38 PM ET
The referring yesterday was worst than that department…

The strangest was giving that penalty shot after the player was able to breakaway and get a shot on Allen…. I am still trying to understand this one…. If he scores, do they allow the goal and give the penalty shot over that?

- TheInformer697041

24.8 Infractions – Refer to the Reference Tables – Table 11 – Summary of
Penalty Shots (page 143) for a list of the infractions that shall result in
a penalty shot being awarded (see specific rule numbers for complete
descriptions).
There are four (4) specific conditions that must be met in order for
the Referee to award a penalty shot for a player being fouled from
behind. They are:
(i) The infraction must have taken place in the neutral zone or attacking
zone, (i.e. over the puck carrier’s own blue line);
(ii) The infraction must have been committed from behind;
(iii) The player in possession and control (or, in the judgment of the
Referee, clearly would have obtained possession and control of the
puck) must have been denied a reasonable chance to score (the fact
that he got a shot off does not automatically eliminate this play from
the penalty shot consideration criteria. If the foul was from behind and
he was denied a “more” reasonable scoring opportunity due to the
foul, then the penalty shot should be awarded
);
(iv) The player in possession and control (or, in the judgment of the
Referee, clearly would have obtained possession and control of the
puck) must have had no opposing player between himself and the
goalkeeper.
Fredo
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Symba thinks Prague is in Poland
Joined: 03.16.2015

Nov 9 @ 3:39 PM ET
24.8 Infractions – Refer to the Reference Tables – Table 11 – Summary of
Penalty Shots (page 143) for a list of the infractions that shall result in
a penalty shot being awarded (see specific rule numbers for complete
descriptions).
There are four (4) specific conditions that must be met in order for
the Referee to award a penalty shot for a player being fouled from
behind. They are:
(i) The infraction must have taken place in the neutral zone or attacking
zone, (i.e. over the puck carrier’s own blue line);
(ii) The infraction must have been committed from behind;
(iii) The player in possession and control (or, in the judgment of the
Referee, clearly would have obtained possession and control of the
puck) must have been denied a reasonable chance to score (the fact
that he got a shot off does not automatically eliminate this play from
the penalty shot consideration criteria. If the foul was from behind and
he was denied a “more” reasonable scoring opportunity due to the
foul, then the penalty shot should be awarded
);
(iv) The player in possession and control (or, in the judgment of the
Referee, clearly would have obtained possession and control of the
puck) must have had no opposing player between himself and the
goalkeeper.

- Fredo


It's a judgement thing, I guess the ref judged that he would have got a better scoring chance whitout Dach's slash
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Nov 9 @ 3:39 PM ET
Just try to speak French in Alberta and you will see how systemic it is…
- TheInformer697041



Fun fact, there are a few French communities that come to mind in AB, St. Paul and Beaumont (just outside of edm), there could be more.

The stop signs are even bilingual..
Fredo
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Symba thinks Prague is in Poland
Joined: 03.16.2015

Nov 9 @ 3:42 PM ET
Fun fact, there are a few French communities that come to mind in AB, St. Paul and Beaumont (just outside of edm), there could be more.

The stop signs are even bilingual..

- pete26

As a french guy who spent 6 months in Alberta I can vouch for this
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: No, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Nov 9 @ 3:42 PM ET
Fun fact, there are a few French communities that come to mind in AB, St. Paul and Beaumont (just outside of edm), there could be more.

The stop signs are even bilingual..

- pete26

but the bullets fired at them have the double ZZ logo on them with the face of kermit printed
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: No, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Nov 9 @ 3:43 PM ET
As a french guy who spent 6 months in Alberta I can vouch for this
- Fredo

you were a male escort in Fort McMurray?
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Nov 9 @ 3:43 PM ET
It's a judgement thing, I guess the ref judged that he would have got a better scoring chance whitout Dach's slash
- Fredo



And what ref doesn't enjoy blowing that whistle and emphatically pointing back at center ice to the cheer of the crowd??
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: No, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Nov 9 @ 3:43 PM ET
can they now suspend Allen and Montambeault for 2 games each, Habs need a few L to get back in the game for the draft
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: No, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Nov 9 @ 3:44 PM ET
And what ref doesn't enjoy blowing that whistle and emphatically pointing back at center ice to the cheer of the crowd??
- pete26

Chris Lee in MTL
Fredo
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Symba thinks Prague is in Poland
Joined: 03.16.2015

Nov 9 @ 3:47 PM ET
you were a male escort in Fort McMurray?
- Symba007

I played baseball for the Slave Lake Heat. They paid for my plane tickets, I lived in a and eat at the hotel owned by the band and had a job there doing maintenance. Pretty sweet gig at 18 years old came back to Quebec with alot of cash in my pocket.
Fredo
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Symba thinks Prague is in Poland
Joined: 03.16.2015

Nov 9 @ 3:49 PM ET
And what ref doesn't enjoy blowing that whistle and emphatically pointing back at center ice to the cheer of the crowd??
- pete26

There's a ref that got assaulted after a cegep football game in my town a couple of weeks ago. I'm not one to piss on them after them when they have a little fun after all they have to put with.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Nov 9 @ 3:50 PM ET
can they now suspend Allen and Montambeault for 2 games each, Habs need a few L to get back in the game for the draft
- Symba007


I understand you want a high pick, but cheering for your team to lose (frank)ing sucks.
TheInformer697041
Joined: 07.27.2021

Nov 9 @ 3:52 PM ET
And what ref doesn't enjoy blowing that whistle and emphatically pointing back at center ice to the cheer of the crowd??
- pete26


Sure they love blowing…
TheInformer697041
Joined: 07.27.2021

Nov 9 @ 3:56 PM ET
I played baseball for the Slave Lake Heat. They paid for my plane tickets, I lived in a and eat at the hotel owned by the band and had a job there doing maintenance. Pretty sweet gig at 18 years old came back to Quebec with alot of cash in my pocket.
- Fredo



Un empêche pas l’autre…
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Nov 9 @ 3:57 PM ET
I understand you want a high pick, but cheering for your team to lose (frank)ing sucks.
- Pat1993


It's actually a "can't lose" situation.

We win? Great! Winning is important!

We lost? Great! We're getting closer to a high pick!

We lost in OT: Well at least we don't have the whole Ducharme "running around in circles with defensive players until we lose the puck and lose the game" anymore!

We lost in the shootout: We lost but did you see that nice Caufield goal?!?

This year is gonna be great!

#Optobus
mr.peanut
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Generational Poster, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Nov 9 @ 3:59 PM ET
It's actually a "can't lose" situation.

We win? Great! Winning is important!

We lost? Great! We're getting closer to a high pick!

We lost in OT: Well at least we don't have the whole Ducharme "running around in circles with defensive players until we lose the puck and lose the game" anymore!

We lost in the shootout: We lost but did you see that nice Caufield goal?!?

This year is gonna be great!

#Optobus

- Scabeh

Everyone reading this post lost
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Nov 9 @ 4:00 PM ET
It's actually a "can't lose" situation.

We win? Great! Winning is important!

We lost? Great! We're getting closer to a high pick!

We lost in OT: Well at least we don't have the whole Ducharme "running around in circles with defensive players until we lose the puck and lose the game" anymore!

We lost in the shootout: We lost but did you see that nice Caufield goal?!?

This year is gonna be great!

#Optobus

- Scabeh

yep, said that yesterday. we always win.
hey! I even bet for them to win tonight!
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Nov 9 @ 4:01 PM ET
It's actually a "can't lose" situation.

We win? Great! Winning is important!

We lost? Great! We're getting closer to a high pick!

We lost in OT: Well at least we don't have the whole Ducharme "running around in circles with defensive players until we lose the puck and lose the game" anymore!

We lost in the shootout: We lost but did you see that nice Caufield goal?!?

This year is gonna be great!

#Optobus

- Scabeh




I agree 100%, I just find it's sad and kind of annoying that a lot of fans will consider this a failure if they win too many games, as though to say "these kids, they played too well this year, and now they have ruined the team's future..."
TheInformer697041
Joined: 07.27.2021

Nov 9 @ 4:02 PM ET
It's actually a "can't lose" situation.

We win? Great! Winning is important!

We lost? Great! We're getting closer to a high pick!

We lost in OT: Well at least we don't have the whole Ducharme "running around in circles with defensive players until we lose the puck and lose the game" anymore!

We lost in the shootout: We lost but did you see that nice Caufield goal?!?

This year is gonna be great!

#Optobus

- Scabeh


I prefer watching the babe in bikini eating a hamburger…

HB is posting that Ad down the blog…. It is better than some others like the Air Canada ones…
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