That's the depressing thing... their overall game can improve, but without superhuman goaltending they're still gonna get smoked. Must be frustrating knowing that as a player.
- Tomahawk

I think for a veteran like TK or Provorov I can see it being very frustrating, but then again if they playing well on even a bad team, it increases their individual brands and market value so that is never a bad thing. For the younger players, they are just trying to earn a consistent spot in the NHL, so I think the team success this year is secondary at this point. We know wins/losses are less important to Torts this season than the process. Recall everywhere Torts has gone, his first year has been a reset year for the respective franchise, I don't see this year being any different for the Flyers.

Well .. there is the answer, thanks!!
- jd250

If John Q Public has thought of that loop hole, chances are the law firm of Bettman, Bettman and Bettman has too.

If you wanna circumvent, gonna have to find something more subtle than a naked quid pro quo.

And I think this is the type of kid they should give a long look at as well. You are probably correct, but this year should be all about the development. Who knows maybe it is and maybe they have already seen enough of Bellows to know.
- landros 2

no issues with then claiming him as he more upside than the zac and browns of the world. imo he get s a 4-6 week look while JVR is out.

now before you claim him you should have a plan in place to use him properly. you think they had a plan for him?

I think for a veteran like TK or Provorov I can see it being very frustrating, but then again if they playing well on even a bad team, it increases their individual brands and market value so that is never a bad thing. For the younger players, they are just trying to earn a consistent spot in the NHL, so I think the team success this year is secondary at this point. We know wins/losses are less important to Torts this season than the process. Recall everywhere Torts has gone, his first year has been a reset year for the respective franchise, I don't see this year being any different for the Flyers.
- jd250

Imagine how frustrating it is when you look and see 27 million in cap space being used up on guys not playing….20 million of which could actually be headed for retirement. Team success was always going to be secondary when Fletcher didn’t even attempt an aggressive rebuild. In the cap system you can’t have an incompetent decision. The Flyers under Fletcher have made quite a few. This team will never be able to have success as long as he’s running the show. The sooner they figure that out the better.

no issues with then claiming him as he more upside than the zac and browns of the world. imo he get s a 4-6 week look while JVR is out.

now before you claim him you should have a plan in place to use him properly. you think they had a plan for him?
- hello it's me 2050

Fletcher ? Plan ? Really ?

Fletcher ? Plan ? Really ?
- landros 2

exactly.

imo i do not think the GM and coach are on the same page. Do not think they ever really were.

Any day now the plan that Fletcher put into place putting the team on a path to the Stanley Cup and the culture change is going to kick in. Now that Tortorella has repaired the fractured locker room and has this team playing hard. An ascension to the top of the league is inevitable.

exactly.

imo i do not think the GM and coach are on the same page. Do not think they ever really were.
- hello it's me 2050

Torts has bought Fletcher some time….nothing more. The injury card, the Covid card can only be played for so long. Everything this team is today or not leads back to Fletcher. We all know what the other administrations brought in before him, but he’s now had ample time to put his stamp on this team. They are what they are because of him. He inherited a bubble team with some decent assets and promptly turned into one of the worst run franchises in the entire league.

no issues with then claiming him as he more upside than the zac and browns of the world. imo he get s a 4-6 week look while JVR is out.

now before you claim him you should have a plan in place to use him properly. you think they had a plan for him?
- hello it's me 2050

Plan.

I happened to see a dictionary that Chuck had in his office. I secretly snuck a peek at that very page. Plan was not listed for some reason.
Thus I don't think Chuck would even be able to define plan if you asked him to look it up. That word doesn't exist for him.

Imagine how frustrating it is when you look and see 27 million in cap space being used up on guys not playing….20 million of which could actually be headed for retirement. Team success was always going to be secondary when Fletcher didn’t even attempt an aggressive rebuild. In the cap system you can’t have an incompetent decision. The Flyers under Fletcher have made quite a few. This team will never be able to have success as long as he’s running the show. The sooner they figure that out the better.
- landros 2

I agree with you, but I do believe the Flyers have figured that out and replacements are in the works, both for Dave Scott and Fletcher as GM. I think the fact that Torts was even hired while not being Fletcher's top choice speaks volumes as does the fact that Torts seems to have a lot of decision rights around the roster and individual player development. My guess is Fletcher is moved to President of the business side after this season, Briere is the new GM, and then Scott is forced to retire also.

I agree with you, but I do believe the Flyers have figured that out and replacements are in the works, both for Dave Scott and Fletcher as GM. I think the fact that Torts was even hired while not being Fletcher's top choice speaks volumes as does the fact that Torts seems to have a lot of decision rights around the roster and individual player development. My guess is Fletcher is moved to President of the business side after this season, Briere is the new GM, and then Scott is forced to retire also.
- jd250

Torts is an archaic coach who really has no fresh answers. The hard work hustle narrative is a farce and just buzz words many eat up. What player development is Torts providing? He is not about development at all from what I can see based on his short tie with the Flyers. His roster decisions have been average at best and that is being kind. He loves the work hard limited skill type. Does not like the skill guys. Believes you will win with the Laughton's of the world leading the pack.

Well Fletcher is already the President of Hockey Ops. I do not see Comcast giving him Scots job in any way. So if they did who replaces Chuck as the President?

Briere is another lackey. No interest in seeing him in the GM role. He follows the company line with the comment he makes. Might as well promote Lappy as he has had so many other roles why not GM?

Replacements are in the works. Sure just let the current regime continue down the path of irrelevancy. Your support or whatever you want to call it for this failed Franchise is completely baffling.

Also who was Fletcher's top choice for coach?

Went to the Giroux game. Had fun. It was my kids first game. That's all I can say about this weekend of Flyers hockey.

October was fun but now it’s over.

Weird that TDA gets so much PK time at the expense of Sanheim and Braun.

And RR not even killing penalties anymore at all, which must make Chuck feel proud.

Weird that TDA gets so much PK time at the expense of Sanheim and Braun.

And RR not even killing penalties anymore at all, which must make Chuck feel proud.
- Tomahawk

RR is horrible on the PK, its actually encouraging to see that Torts and Shaw have recognized that also.

RR is horrible on the PK, its actually encouraging to see that Torts and Shaw have recognized that also.
- jd250

Torts does get credit for being the first coach in RR's career to call a turd a turd.

If you had to pick two teams for a bubble hockey game what would they be?

Weird that TDA gets so much PK time at the expense of Sanheim and Braun.

And RR not even killing penalties anymore at all, which must make Chuck feel proud.
- Tomahawk

It is strange the PK time TD does get. Not sure I am seeing the benefits of it.

As far as Risto I hope he continues to limit his minutes. Just to show how bad the GM really is at his job.

If you had to pick two teams for a bubble hockey game what would they be?
- mickel25

Charlestown Chiefs v Syracuse Bulldogs

Paint the red afro on Ogie, foil on the Hansons and naked Ned Brayden

Charlestown Chiefs v Syracuse Bulldogs

Paint the red afro on Ogie, foil on the Hansons and naked Ned Brayden
- Tomahawk

That is a good one.

October was fun but now it’s over.
- SuperSchennBros

Only the Blow Jackets look worse or on par with flyers eyetest wise in the Metro. The upcoming game will be telling on who will end last in the Metro.

Oh lord….you are new.
- landros 2

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Only the Blow Jackets look worse or on par with flyers eyetest wise in the Metro. The upcoming game will be telling on who will end last in the Metro.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

The Werenski injury really evens it out a bit, but having Laine and JG should propel Columbus ahead of the Flyers.

The Werenski injury really evens it out a bit, but having Laine and JG should propel Columbus ahead of the Flyers.
- jd250

I'm hoping they go full sabres and start trading everyone

I'm hoping they go full sabres and start trading everyone
- Aaron_85

Who the Leafs?