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Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Nov 16 @ 10:49 AM ET
Carter Hart's last 3 starts:

@CBJ .848 SV%
OTT .885 SV%
@CBJ @.889


Prior to that he had only one game below .933 SV% in 8-games.

- Tomahawk



Well, I don't believe the team has played any better in front of him. He's just not able to make every ten bell save he was before. Last night, that game should have never gotten to OT. I counted at least 4 incredible saves by him, basically full stretch across stone on one timers. This is the regression to the mean similar to last year prior to December when both our tenders played exceptionally well to hold us into games we had no business being in. The issues with this squad are not with the quality of the tending we're receiving.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Nov 16 @ 10:54 AM ET
If they don't change the organizational core philosophies. Firing the GM won't matter.
- MJL


Correct. If the Flyers fire Fletcher, they will simply interview/hire the next yes man to maximize resources and "get right back in it" every year.

Where is this philosophy coming from? It's Dave Scott, who knows nothing about hockey. So where is he getting his hockey ideas from? Clarke, Holmgren, Barber, etc.

The country club needs to go. Next time they go golfing, tell them to leave their phones at home.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Nov 16 @ 10:58 AM ET
If they don't change the organizational core philosophies. Firing the GM won't matter.
- MJL


Welp, I'm going to assume gate revenue is going to be an eye opener. Avg. attendance for home games thia year is 15, 713 according to hockeydb. Average attendance in 18-19- 20,372. This is significant drop in revenue. So we'll see what happens after Fletcher gets fired. I will stand by opinion, he will get fired this season.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 16 @ 11:01 AM ET
Why play a player who brings nothing to the table (according to you)
- corduroy

because 3 on 3 is a VERY different game than 5 on 5. If you are going to have Frost on the roster, at least utilize him in a scenario where he might be able to shine. Also, its not me saying he brings nothing to the table, look at the stat sheet!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 16 @ 11:04 AM ET
Hayes has 16 points in 16 games. No he's not been great defensively, but he never was. Even his first year in Philly before any injuries his defensive stats were poor.

Risto is a whole different level of not being worth the money. A 3rd pairing dman who's bad defensively and has zero points all season.

- Feanor

at $5.1M per just to make it sting worse!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 16 @ 11:06 AM ET
BS!

Hayes was sold as a solid two way center when we signed him. Hayes with his 16 points in 16 games will be meaningless in a month when the feeling of opening season ends and mid season begins when he’s well under a point a game. Risto isn’t a main piece to this team. Hayes is being solid to us as he is. Leader. Point producer. It’s none sense and he’s being paid as such.

- SuperSchennBros

When you are paying a defenseman $5.1M per for 5 years, that technically makes him a main piece on the team. Horrible, horrible signing!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 16 @ 11:07 AM ET
How is Jim Montgomery doing?
- furio16

The Bruins are right now the best team in the league and are now completely healthy with McAvoy back. I don't believe they will sustain this level of play, I mean no team can, but so far Monty has reached this veteran team and has gotten the most out of them.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 16 @ 11:08 AM ET
Imagine firing a bad GM to replace him with a worse GM.
- furio16

I have a feeling Torts is not here next year.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Nov 16 @ 11:08 AM ET
Welp, I'm going to assume gate revenue is going to be an eye opener. Avg. attendance for home games thia year is 15, 713 according to hockeydb. Average attendance in 18-19- 20,372. This is significant drop in revenue. So we'll see what happens after Fletcher gets fired. I will stand by opinion, he will get fired this season.
- Trox88
Has more built in BS injury excuses. Gets another year lol.

Even so if fired he needs to be fired from every role he currently has not just GM.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Nov 16 @ 11:11 AM ET
I have a feeling Torts is not here next year.
- jd250
Only reason I do not see it is they will then have 9 million going to 2 head coaches they fired. The total increases when you account for the assistants as well.

Now if they had a solid AHL coach who they could hire on the cheap then maybe. Then again cement head Lappy has had many titles why not add another one.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Nov 16 @ 11:13 AM ET
because 3 on 3 is a VERY different game than 5 on 5. If you are going to have Frost on the roster, at least utilize him in a scenario where he might be able to shine. Also, its not me saying he brings nothing to the table, look at the stat sheet!
- jd250


so in OT he needs to be utilized but during the game, those same strengths are muted with anchors like zm, nd, and ww.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Nov 16 @ 11:16 AM ET
Has more built in BS injury excuses. Gets another year lol.

Even so if fired he needs to be fired from every role he currently has not just GM.

- furio16


I don't disagree Fletcher needs to be removed from the organization entirely. Gate revenue is very imporntant to NHL franchises. These attendance numbers will not improve this season. I doubt he will get cover for all the players injured.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 16 @ 11:24 AM ET
Well, I don't believe the team has played any better in front of him. He's just not able to make every ten bell save he was before. Last night, that game should have never gotten to OT. I counted at least 4 incredible saves by him, basically full stretch across stone on one timers. This is the regression to the mean similar to last year prior to December when both our tenders played exceptionally well to hold us into games we had no business being in. The issues with this squad are not with the quality of the tending we're receiving.
- Hextall271


They are playing better in front of him, tho... that's the ironic thing. Shots and chances against are down, they're not spending as much time without the puck, etc.

Hart wasn't perfect in the first 9-games, but he'd shut the door after a weak goal.

Now he's not so much letting in weak goals as much as he's not getting all the bounces and breaks going his way. Like pucks that stuck to him like velcro early on are bouncing off his pads for rebounds now. He's not always perfect with the timing of his post to post push offs anymore. Not all the stuff thru traffic is somehow always hitting him square in the chest. The blocker and glove aren't always in right place, right time like they were before.

Goalies tend to reach another level when they see a stupid amount of shots too, and that's mostly stopped happening.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Nov 16 @ 11:25 AM ET
I don't disagree Fletcher needs to be removed from the organization entirely. Gate revenue is very imporntant to NHL franchises. These attendance numbers will not improve this season. I doubt he will get cover for all the players injured.
- Trox88
Haven't seen any attendance figures. I hope they are terrible and get worse. Until revenue drops to an unacceptable level for the suite it wont change.

While I always call BS on it, Snider said they never made a profit unless made the 2nd rd of the playoffs. If true they are losing a lot!!!!

I have zero faith he doesn't get cover. This Franchise has shown very little to want to move forward with how hockey is played in 2022.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 16 @ 11:35 AM ET
Welp, I'm going to assume gate revenue is going to be an eye opener. Avg. attendance for home games thia year is 15, 713 according to hockeydb. Average attendance in 18-19- 20,372. This is significant drop in revenue. So we'll see what happens after Fletcher gets fired. I will stand by opinion, he will get fired this season.
- Trox88


I'm not objecting to the opinion that he gets fired. Although I think it's most likely that he just gives up the GM title, stays as President of hockey ops and the next yes man gets the GM role. I just think it won't matter unless they change everything.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 16 @ 11:41 AM ET
BS!

Hayes was sold as a solid two way center when we signed him. Hayes with his 16 points in 16 games will be meaningless in a month when the feeling of opening season ends and mid season begins when he’s well under a point a game. Risto isn’t a main piece to this team. Hayes is being solid to us as he is. Leader. Point producer. It’s none sense and he’s being paid as such.

- SuperSchennBros


He was a 50 point center, but he was never a strong defender. It didn't matter in 19-20 because he played behind the Selke winner. That season at ES:

Couturier: 64 GF - 41 GA

Hayes: 42 GF - 49 GA
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Nov 16 @ 11:47 AM ET
I'm not objecting to the opinion that he gets fired. Although I think it's most likely that he just gives up the GM title, stays as President of hockey ops and the next yes man gets the GM role. I just think it won't matter unless they change everything.
- MJL


Ok, I disagree and believe Fletcher and Scott are completely removed. Now could Comcast give Scott's role to one of his subordinates. Sure. We'll see what happens. It is all speculation at this point. I am assuming a 20% drop in attendance over 4yrs will have significant influence.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Nov 16 @ 11:47 AM ET
He was a 50 point center, but he was never a strong defender. It didn't matter in 19-20 because he played behind the Selke winner. That season at ES:

Couturier: 64 GF - 41 GA

Hayes: 42 GF - 49 GA

- Feanor

Ex Selke…
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Nov 16 @ 11:50 AM ET
When you are paying a defenseman $5.1M per for 5 years, that technically makes him a main piece on the team. Horrible, horrible signing!
- jd250

Sounds like the going rate to me.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Nov 16 @ 11:51 AM ET
Sounds like the going rate to me.
- SuperSchennBros


He's being out performed by Seeler who basically makes the minimum.
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Nov 16 @ 11:54 AM ET
I have a feeling Torts is not here next year.
- jd250


If he keeps getting kicked in the face by his horse, I agree. Apparently, the horse is a big Frost fan and wasn't happy with the linemates Torts has been giving him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 16 @ 11:59 AM ET
Ok, I disagree and believe Fletcher and Scott are completely removed. Now could Comcast give Scott's role to one of his subordinates. Sure. We'll see what happens. It is all speculation at this point. I am assuming a 20% drop in attendance over 4yrs will have significant influence.
- Trox88


I hope you're right. I can see Scott retiring but not getting fired.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Nov 16 @ 11:59 AM ET
Sounds like the going rate to me.
- SuperSchennBros
6 year deals at over 5 million per is the going rate for a 3rd pair dman?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Nov 16 @ 11:59 AM ET
He's being out performed by Seeler who basically makes the minimum.
- Feanor


Provorov is out playing Sanheim this season. Who saw this coming? Oh wait, those who just spent all last summer begging Provorov to be traded so Sanheim can be our number one. Things happen.

My issues with Risto are different from pretty much every hater here. I don’t love him but I don’t hate him. The problem for me with this player is, he’s the perfect example of poor development. The Buffalo Sabers by the numbers tried to use this guy as if he was going to be the next Shea Weber. I think we all know this was never going to happen. Here, my only explanation of him is to be a role player, not “the guy”. It seems to me, one day he’s fine, the next game multiple slip ups. No consistency.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 16 @ 12:01 PM ET
6 year deals at over 5 million per is the going rate for a 3rd pair dman?
- furio16

for the flyers yea
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