Provorov is out playing Sanheim this season. Who saw this coming? Oh wait, those who just spent all last summer begging Provorov to be traded to Sanheim can be our number one. Things happen.

My issues with Risto are different from pretty much every hater here. I don’t love him but I don’t hate him. The problem for me with this player is, he’s the perfect example of poor development. The Buffalo Sabers by the numbers tried to use this guy as if he was going to be the next Shea Weber. I think we all know this was never going to happen. Here, my only explanation of him is to be a role player, not “the guy”. It seems to me, one day he’s fine, the next game multiple slip ups. No consistency.
- SuperSchennBros

Hate has nothing to do with actual poor performance

They are playing better in front of him, tho... that's the ironic thing. Shots and chances against are down, they're not spending as much time without the puck, etc.

Hart wasn't perfect in the first 9-games, but he'd shut the door after a weak goal.

Now he's not so much letting in weak goals as much as he's not getting all the bounces and breaks going his way. Like pucks that stuck to him like velcro early on are bouncing off his pads for rebounds now. He's not always perfect with the timing of his post to post push offs anymore. Not all the stuff thru traffic is somehow always hitting him square in the chest. The blocker and glove aren't always in right place, right time like they were before.

Goalies tend to reach another level when they see a stupid amount of shots too, and that's mostly stopped happening.
- Tomahawk

He's not been lights out, I also do not see a real regression from him. No goalie can sustain his level of play that he had early on especially with the quality chances given up.

And I also don't believe there are flaws in his technique that have sprung up. What is happening is that the breakdowns are so egregious that he can't make all of those saves (there's an element of luck to tending).

I think that sometimes folks think that the level that he had been playing at is easy to maintain and say.. well now that he's not completely lights out, he's clearly playing terribly. That's not the case.

I wouldn't say goalies reach another level if they are routinely peppered by shots. Sometimes, it can get you in a groove and you can stay in the sweet spot a bit, but it's not sustainable. Especially if you consider the quality of the shots. For instance, you could argue that the 3rd goal on the breakaway he backed in too far, but it's still a breakaway. It's not a shot from the blueline. The OT goal? Why didn't he have that one? because it was a long 3-1 play with a one timer. Simply no chance.

I hope you're right. I can see Scott retiring but not getting fired.
- MJL

I think the team is tracking for a disastrous season worse than last year. Once this losing streak reaches another 10 which I am certain it will after the last 4 losses, 3 of them to bottom feeder teams with big injuries, I can see a half empty building by mid-December onward. They likely can't ignore this.

Further, I see several extended losing skids this year like last with no path/or plan to rebuild etc.. Someone has to see that this is madness.

He's not been lights out, I also do not see a real regression from him. No goalie can sustain his level of play that he had early on especially with the quality chances given up.

And I also don't believe there are flaws in his technique that have sprung up. What is happening is that the breakdowns are so egregious that he can't make all of those saves (there's an element of luck to tending).

I think that sometimes folks think that the level that he had been playing at is easy to maintain and say.. well now that he's not completely lights out, he's clearly playing terribly. That's not the case.

I wouldn't say goalies reach another level if they are routinely peppered by shots. Sometimes, it can get you in a groove and you can stay in the sweet spot a bit, but it's not sustainable. Especially if you consider the quality of the shots. For instance, you could argue that the 3rd goal on the breakaway he backed in too far, but it's still a breakaway. It's not a shot from the blueline. The OT goal? Why didn't he have that one? because it was a long 3-1 play with a one timer. Simply no chance.
- Hextall271

A goalie can let in a good goal and not be on him per say. The diff between a good and average goalie is the good ones step up and make that save, despite it being a "good goal".

I hope you're right. I can see Scott retiring but not getting fired.
- MJL

He is a young man. Maybe reassigned to another area within Comcast. Maybe leaves for another job? No retirement.

I think the team is tracking for a disastrous season worse than last year. Once this losing streak reaches another 10 which I am certain it will after the last 4 losses, 3 of them to bottom feeder teams with big injuries, I can see a half empty building by mid-December onward. They likely can't ignore this.

Further, I see several extended losing skids this year like last with no path/or plan to rebuild etc.. Someone has to see that this is madness.
- Hextall271

Surprised they weren't pushing Santa sacks when the team was winning games

He is a young man. Maybe reassigned to another area within Comcast. Maybe leaves for another job? No retirement.
- furio16

He came out of retirement to take the job originally.

Also important to keep in mind is that he's responsible for a lot more than just the Flyers. The Flyers are still the crown jewel of the Spectacor portfolio, but Millenials and Gen Z aren't obsessed with the big 4 sports like their dads and grandpas were.

Scott is really involved with getting the company to focus on gaming/e-sports and general entertainment -- that's where most of the future revenue is gonna be. Whether the Flyers suck or not, Scott still gets to tell clients that the WFC is an NHL arena, and all the prestige that entails.

He came out of retirement to take the job originally.

Also important to keep in mind is that he's responsible for a lot more than just the Flyers. The Flyers are still the crown jewel of the Spectacor portfolio, but Millenials and Gen Z aren't obsessed with the big 4 sports like their dads and grandpas were.

Scott is really involved with getting the company to focus on gaming/e-sports and general entertainment -- that's where most of the future revenue is gonna be. Whether the Flyers suck or not, Scott still gets to tell clients that the WFC is an NHL arena, and all the prestige that entails.
- Tomahawk

Scott is 69 years old. Retirement is a possibility at some near point.

(there's an element of luck to tending)
- Hextall271

Yes, that's what I was trying to say. Hart's just not getting as many bounces and breaks as he was early on. I don't think he's fundamentally playing worse now. The difference in results is just a reflection of a lot of factors outside of his control, including luck.

I think that sometimes folks think that the level that he had been playing at is easy to maintain and say.. well now that he's not completely lights out, he's clearly playing terribly. That's not the case.
- Hextall271

I think most people realized that it would be tough to maintain that level. So few goalies have ever been able to live there for an entire season.

I wouldn't say goalies reach another level if they are routinely peppered by shots. Sometimes, it can get you in a groove and you can stay in the sweet spot a bit, but it's not sustainable.
- Hextall271

https://ingoalmag.com/fea...e-affect-save-percentage/

For instance, you could argue that the 3rd goal on the breakaway he backed in too far, but it's still a breakaway.
- Hextall271

He bit first and went for the poke, and Jenner fired it right where his blocker had been. I don't think that's necessarily a sign of him "struggling" tho, since he's never been all that great vs breakaways to begin with.

Scott is 69 years old. Retirement is a possibility at some near point.
- MJL

If he gets fired it'll be framed as "retirement" for sure

If he gets fired it'll be framed as "retirement" for sure
- Tomahawk

Exactly. They're not going to announce that he's been fired.

Exactly. They're not going to announce that he's been fired.
- MJL

I just wouldn't expect him to get fired simply because the Flyers suck.

He'll get fired b/c their arena and entertainment portfolio is struggling overall.

He's not been lights out, I also do not see a real regression from him. No goalie can sustain his level of play that he had early on especially with the quality chances given up.

And I also don't believe there are flaws in his technique that have sprung up. What is happening is that the breakdowns are so egregious that he can't make all of those saves (there's an element of luck to tending).

I think that sometimes folks think that the level that he had been playing at is easy to maintain and say.. well now that he's not completely lights out, he's clearly playing terribly. That's not the case.

I wouldn't say goalies reach another level if they are routinely peppered by shots. Sometimes, it can get you in a groove and you can stay in the sweet spot a bit, but it's not sustainable. Especially if you consider the quality of the shots. For instance, you could argue that the 3rd goal on the breakaway he backed in too far, but it's still a breakaway. It's not a shot from the blueline. The OT goal? Why didn't he have that one? because it was a long 3-1 play with a one timer. Simply no chance.
- Hextall271

I think he’s playing well. It seems like the goals are tip ins, power play goals or odd man rushes with cross ice passes. I think the stats looked better earlier but he’s playing just as well now.

Scott has been duped into thinking the elder members of the Flyers brain trust know what they are talking about.

I expect that not to change even with a new hire. It’s an incestuous relationship between the vast majority of people working for the organization.

Not sure we see a change until they start dying off, as morbid as that sounds.

I just wouldn't expect him to get fired simply because the Flyers suck.

He'll get fired b/c their arena and entertainment portfolio is struggling overall.
- Tomahawk

As Flyers fans, we're pretty much screwed. It will be a decade if we're lucky.

Scott has been duped into thinking the elder members of the Flyers brain trust know what they are talking about.

I expect that not to change even with a new hire. It’s an incestuous relationship between the vast majority of people working for the organization.

Not sure we see a change until they start dying off, as morbid as that sounds.
- FlyerFan3260

You need to pay attention and follow the marching orders

the old guard is retired and have no say in the operation or construction of this team

You need to pay attention and follow the marching orders

the old guard is retired and have no say in the operation or construction of this team
- corduroy

However when the GM reaches out to them well....what can you do!!

However when the GM reaches out to them well....what can you do!!
- furio16

Clarke spends more time in Fla than in Philly - its impossible for him to communicate

Hate has nothing to do with actual poor performance
- furio16

This isn’t true. I understand Zac MacEwen not being an ideal player on this team or any contending team but he’s here and I’m sorry but he’s playing well. Haters won’t admit to this.

Clarke spends more time in Fla than in Philly - its impossible for him to communicate
- corduroy

No cell service down there. Also no internet, so can't zoom or skype. I always laugh when I read someone can't be involved because they're out of state. Billion dollar corporations are run remotely.

This isn’t true. I understand Zac MacEwen not being an ideal player on this team or any contending team but he’s here and I’m sorry but he’s playing well. Haters won’t admit to this.
- SuperSchennBros

While I have a problem that he is a regular in the lineup because I don't see him as part of the solution or the future, I have to admit he has earned his ice time. I have no issue with his effort level. He most definitely gives it his all when he is out there. Always noticeable.

Tortorella is becoming more of a BS artist every day.
- MJL

You mean a standup philosopher (like Fletcher).

Tomorrow night, in Boston, who have only lost twice. Oof.
- hockeylover

Would be so much like the Flyers to end their current losing streak for this one after playing last place teams (with exception to the Stars).

We will get smoked,
in a room full of mirrors.

Great Hendrix tune!!
- konalover711

Is there any (Jimi) Hendrix tune that isn't great?

And as long as I'm asking questions: What if 6 was 9?

While I have a problem that he is a regular in the lineup because I don't see him as part of the solution or the future, I have to admit he has earned his ice time. I have no issue with his effort level. He most definitely gives it his all when he is out there. Always noticeable.
- MBFlyerfan

No question.