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Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Nov 16 @ 10:15 PM ET
He was left with next to nothing wasn’t he tho?

Not saying he’s the greatest but call a spade a spade

- Fopa21



No. Just no. Why does someone once a month or so try to blame the Flyers current issues entirely on Hextall who hasn't been here for 4 years. Boredom?

Hextall had his issues and didn't deliver top end talent to the Flyers but Fletcher had plenty to work with and plenty of assets, far from nothing.

Fletcher is just objectively a horrible GM and the Flyers have been horrible at player development for a very long time. That is calling a spade a spade.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Nov 16 @ 10:28 PM ET
Hart comes back down to earth and the losses will start piling up..another annual 10 gamelosing streak coming up?....Not much to say about this team it is totally lacking in skilled players and the 1st 2 lines have guys on it that should be on 3rd line with a good team and 3rd and 4th have guys who arent NHL players. . Agree on most nights cant complain about effort . All there is to hope for is somehow they can get that #1 pick but I have a bad feeling about that pick and the PENQUEENS.
- hfc355

Pens got average goaltending and bad stay at home defense men. But i do not believe they will be bad enough to join the flyers in the bottom.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Nov 16 @ 10:31 PM ET
I understand CBJ has had a lot of injuries lately but the announcers for last nights game wouldn't stop talking about it. Even Brian Boucher got in on it. Don't they know the Flyers have their own extensive injury list ? Need I go through it ? Therefore I didn't see why it was relative game analysis given the Flyers are playing shorthanded too - and for a long period of time. All they have to do is look at matchups with our first line center to understand. I mean Hayes is doing "ok", but there's a reason why he's not a first liner. And injuries is the reason they have to play so many younger players with less experience, causing more matchup problems.
- BluehorseShoe64

The Blow Joe's announcers litteraly blows.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Nov 16 @ 11:17 PM ET
Farabee-Frost-Konency
Bellows-Hayes-Tippett
Cates-Laughton-Sedlak
DesLauriers-Brown-MacEwen

Boom!
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Nov 17 @ 12:32 AM ET
Joke flyers of the day….

What has 44 legs and sucks?






A- the flyers
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Nov 17 @ 7:41 AM ET
No. Just no. Why does someone once a month or so try to blame the Flyers current issues entirely on Hextall who hasn't been here for 4 years. Boredom?

Hextall had his issues and didn't deliver top end talent to the Flyers but Fletcher had plenty to work with and plenty of assets, far from nothing.

Fletcher is just objectively a horrible GM and the Flyers have been horrible at player development for a very long time. That is calling a spade a spade.

- Flyers_01


Regardless of Hextall’s GMing, ask yourselves this: if someone as talented as, say, Steve Yzerman inherited the Flyers from Hextall, would his current Flyers look like Fletcher’s?

Fletcher is an abject failure, regardless of his predecessor. He’s had plenty of time. He’s traded good draft picks for RR, then resigned him for a bad contract in both term and money. He gave away a high 2nd just to get rid of Ghost to do that. He got fleeced in the Giroux trade (yes I concede that G made it difficult). He failed to address the retirement of Nisky. He’s overseen what appears to be mismanagement of lingering injuries with various players. After a monumentally horrible year, he brings back pretty much the same roster after telling the world he was aggressively retooling. Those are just some of the lowlights. Anyway, CF is horrible, no matter what anyone thinks of Hextall.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Nov 17 @ 7:54 AM ET
Regardless of Hextall’s GMing, ask yourselves this: if someone as talented as, say, Steve Yzerman inherited the Flyers from Hextall, would his current Flyers look like Fletcher’s?

Fletcher is an abject failure, regardless of his predecessor. He’s had plenty of time. He’s traded good draft picks for RR, then resigned him for a bad contract in both term and money. He gave away a high 2nd just to get rid of Ghost to do that. He got fleeced in the Giroux trade (yes I concede that G made it difficult). He failed to address the retirement of Nisky. He’s overseen what appears to be mismanagement of lingering injuries with various players. After a monumentally horrible year, he brings back pretty much the same roster after telling the world he was aggressively retooling. Those are just some of the lowlights. Anyway, CF is horrible, no matter what anyone thinks of Hextall.

- mikeyo27



TRUTH!
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Nov 17 @ 8:01 AM ET
No. Just no. Why does someone once a month or so try to blame the Flyers current issues entirely on Hextall who hasn't been here for 4 years. Boredom?

Hextall had his issues and didn't deliver top end talent to the Flyers but Fletcher had plenty to work with and plenty of assets, far from nothing.

Fletcher is just objectively a horrible GM and the Flyers have been horrible at player development for a very long time. That is calling a spade a spade.

- Flyers_01
As Arthur Fonzerelli would say, correctamundo. Will also add one thing to the Chuck GM thing, he has proceeded to re-sign or keep the majority of the prior regimes players. This is his team. He has screwed this team. He owns this mess. Been GM for 4 years now and not one of his draft picks even on the roster.

Flyers probably win tonight lose the next whatever. Bruins unbeaten at home? Bruins -360.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 17 @ 8:02 AM ET
Regardless of Hextall’s GMing, ask yourselves this: if someone as talented as, say, Steve Yzerman inherited the Flyers from Hextall, would his current Flyers look like Fletcher’s?

Fletcher is an abject failure, regardless of his predecessor. He’s had plenty of time. He’s traded good draft picks for RR, then resigned him for a bad contract in both term and money. He gave away a high 2nd just to get rid of Ghost to do that. He got fleeced in the Giroux trade (yes I concede that G made it difficult). He failed to address the retirement of Nisky. He’s overseen what appears to be mismanagement of lingering injuries with various players. After a monumentally horrible year, he brings back pretty much the same roster after telling the world he was aggressively retooling. Those are just some of the lowlights. Anyway, CF is horrible, no matter what anyone thinks of Hextall.

- mikeyo27


Fletcher did not get fleeced in the Giroux trade.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Nov 17 @ 8:05 AM ET
Regardless of Hextall’s GMing, ask yourselves this: if someone as talented as, say, Steve Yzerman inherited the Flyers from Hextall, would his current Flyers look like Fletcher’s?

Fletcher is an abject failure, regardless of his predecessor. He’s had plenty of time. He’s traded good draft picks for RR, then resigned him for a bad contract in both term and money. He gave away a high 2nd just to get rid of Ghost to do that. He got fleeced in the Giroux trade (yes I concede that G made it difficult). He failed to address the retirement of Nisky. He’s overseen what appears to be mismanagement of lingering injuries with various players. After a monumentally horrible year, he brings back pretty much the same roster after telling the world he was aggressively retooling. Those are just some of the lowlights. Anyway, CF is horrible, no matter what anyone thinks of Hextall.

- mikeyo27
Both are below average. Chuck has been very bad as the Flyers GM.

What good has Chuck done?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 17 @ 8:22 AM ET
Does anyone know when the next episode of The Standard is coming out?
-StepfordSam

Its been replaced by Tort's in-period interviews :-)
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 17 @ 8:24 AM ET
Regardless of Hextall’s GMing, ask yourselves this: if someone as talented as, say, Steve Yzerman inherited the Flyers from Hextall, would his current Flyers look like Fletcher’s?

Fletcher is an abject failure, regardless of his predecessor. He’s had plenty of time. He’s traded good draft picks for RR, then resigned him for a bad contract in both term and money. He gave away a high 2nd just to get rid of Ghost to do that. He got fleeced in the Giroux trade (yes I concede that G made it difficult). He failed to address the retirement of Nisky. He’s overseen what appears to be mismanagement of lingering injuries with various players. After a monumentally horrible year, he brings back pretty much the same roster after telling the world he was aggressively retooling. Those are just some of the lowlights. Anyway, CF is horrible, no matter what anyone thinks of Hextall.

- mikeyo27

I don't blame Fletcher for the Giroux trade, his hands were tied. That was totally on the fraud Giroux, who apparently only wanted Florida until a more comfortable spot opened up on the last place Senators!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 17 @ 8:29 AM ET
Outside of two or three games all season, we’ve been outplayed by every team. It’s not just one player.
- SuperSchennBros

The Flyers have outplayed every opponent over the past two weeks, but as Tort's rightly points out, they are just finding ways to lose games right now.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Nov 17 @ 8:32 AM ET
I don't blame Fletcher for the Giroux trade, his hands were tied. That was totally on the fraud Giroux, who apparently only wanted Florida until a more comfortable spot opened up on the last place Senators!
- jd250


Claude Giroux owed NOTHING to the Flyers - NOTHING
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Nov 17 @ 8:34 AM ET
Claude Giroux owed NOTHING to the Flyers - NOTHING
- corduroy
Not sure why this is hard for people to understand.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 17 @ 8:40 AM ET
It’s really not that complicated; Hextall was a mediocre GM, Fletcher is an abject failure.

Hextall did some good things: cleaned up the cap situation and drafted some decent players: TK, Sanheim, Provy, Farabee, Hart; he also did some bad things like his control freak management style, his refusal to move on from Hakstol and his FA signings especially in regards to goaltenders.

Fletcher though, has just been abysmal. Trading way too many draft picks for too little a return, the Risto fiasco, the dinosaur coaches, the lack of cap space and his overall failure to grasp that this team, both the roster and the coaching/developmental/training/medical staffs need a complete and total overhaul. Chuck Fletcher is, arguably, the worst GM in the NHL. There is no defending him.
juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Nov 17 @ 8:52 AM ET
It’s really not that complicated; Hextall was a mediocre GM, Fletcher is an abject failure.

Hextall did some good things: cleaned up the cap situation and drafted some decent players: TK, Sanheim, Provy, Farabee, Hart; he also did some bad things like his control freak management style, his refusal to move on from Hakstol and his FA signings especially in regards to goaltenders.

Fletcher though, has just been abysmal. Trading way too many draft picks for too little a return, the Risto fiasco, the dinosaur coaches, the lack of cap space and his overall failure to grasp that this team, both the roster and the coaching/developmental/training/medical staffs need a complete and total overhaul. Chuck Fletcher is, arguably, the worst GM in the NHL. There is no defending him.

- BiggE


Honestly, it may becoming glaring apparent why Hexy felt he had to create a closed end environment. Fletch's actions have the old guard imprint all over them...maybe Hexy was being hounded constantly and just said "enough".

It is also highly plausible that Hexy would have injected the team with FA talent once he felt the farm system and core player situation was in a stable situation.
I would never confuse Hexy with Yzerman in a GM capacity but he was miles better than Fletch and that becomes more and more apparent. Then again, that is a ridiculously low bar to clear.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Nov 17 @ 8:57 AM ET
Honestly, it may becoming glaring apparent why Hexy felt he had to create a closed end environment. Fletch's actions have the old guard imprint all over them...maybe Hexy was being hounded constantly and just said "enough".

It is also highly plausible that Hexy would have injected the team with FA talent once he felt the farm system and core player situation was in a stable situation.
I would never confuse Hexy with Yzerman in a GM capacity but he was miles better than Fletch and that becomes more and more apparent. Then again, that is a ridiculously low bar to clear.

- juiced
Frost and a minor league contract ( Issaac - Mason Millman) for Kappenen and a 5th. Only GM Hextall can swindle.

Then the media and the like will say what a steal. The Sami's son angle and all that jazz. Then shove Kappenen down the Flyers fans throats.
juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

Nov 17 @ 9:00 AM ET
Frost and a minor league contract ( Issaac - Mason Millman) for Kappenen and a 5th. Only GM Hextall can swindle.

Then the media and the like will say what a steal. The Sami's son angle and all that jazz. Then shove Kappenen down the Flyers fans throats.

- furio16


Dont you think the ship has sailed on Kappenen...he's basically bombed out with 2 franchises in terms of top 9 skill set. Quickness is great but seems he hasnt figured out how to properly harness it....just like Risto and his often misplaced "physicalness"
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 17 @ 9:04 AM ET


Hextall did some good things: cleaned up the cap situation and drafted some decent players: TK, Sanheim, Provy, Farabee, Hart; he also did some bad things like his control freak management style, his refusal to move on from Hakstol and his FA signings especially in regards to goaltenders.

- BiggE


Hextall was 100% justified in his management style. He knew that everything had to be changed and that the country club needed to be locked out to have any chance of moving forward successfully. I commend him for having that approach.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Nov 17 @ 9:16 AM ET
Dont you think the ship has sailed on Kappenen...he's basically bombed out with 2 franchises in terms of top 9 skill set. Quickness is great but seems he hasnt figured out how to properly harness it....just like Risto and his often misplaced "physicalness"
- juiced
Yes it has, may trade proposal was a joke and a knock on Chuck.
furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Nov 17 @ 9:17 AM ET
Hextall was 100% justified in his management style. He knew that everything had to be changed and that the country club needed to be locked out to have any chance of moving forward successfully. I commend him for having that approach.
- MJL
Too bad he wasn't very good at his job however. How has been making out in Pitt so far?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 17 @ 9:31 AM ET
Hextall was 100% justified in his management style. He knew that everything had to be changed and that the country club needed to be locked out to have any chance of moving forward successfully. I commend him for having that approach.
- MJL

Do you also commend him for having an assistant coach that reported everything said in the locker room to him?

Again, Fletcher is a disaster, but let’s not treat Hextall like he was the second coming of Keith Allen.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 17 @ 9:53 AM ET
Do you also commend him for having an assistant coach that reported everything said in the locker room to him?
- BiggE


Don't all assistants report the temperature of the players back to the head coach?

Seemed like Murph-gate was just the usual ASF bullpoop.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Nov 17 @ 9:56 AM ET
Hextall was 100% justified in his management style. He knew that everything had to be changed and that the country club needed to be locked out to have any chance of moving forward successfully. I commend him for having that approach.
- MJL


His plans and the plans of those above him should have been clear prior to his taking the job. If he wasn’t happy with the arrangement he shouldn’t have taken the job. Being bullheaded and locking everyone out was childish behavior and ultimately not successful.
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