Has he cross checked anyone? Gotten into any fights? How is he in scrums after the whistle? Is he blocking shots? How well is he chipping pucks off the glass? Is he playing the right way and playing Flyer hockey? Until he improves in those areas. Points don't matter, he needs to stay in the AHL.
- MJL

Do not forget the ever-important 200-foot game that needs to be played

Whatever Torts is doing is getting the results I want. A quick trip to the bottom. Keep the prospects in LV all year. None of them could have the impact of drafting Bedard or Fantilli. Sure, there is no such thing as a risk free prospect. However, these two are pretty close to it. Keep on doing what you do, Torts!

Has he cross checked anyone? Gotten into any fights? How is he in scrums after the whistle? Is he blocking shots? How well is he chipping pucks off the glass? Is he playing the right way and playing Flyer hockey? Until he improves in those areas. Points don't matter, he needs to stay in the AHL.
- MJL

Hopefully Lappy has at least improved his blocked pucks with face/60 otherwise, he won't want him either

Guys who want to still give Frost time to develop before determining bust or not & say Fletcher has done nothing good. Frost was drafted 5 years ago 😂
- Fopa21

Have you watched the last two games? Funny what happens when some speed/skill is put on Frost's wings and he actually gets some ice time. His pace picks up. There's some operating room and he makes plays.

You can keep blaming player after player for not developing or you can look at the root cause of players not being developed in a way where the emphasis is on what they do well rather than hyperfocusing on their weaknesses.

If it was just Frost, that'd be one thing. It's way too many players in the system.

Myers got 16 minutes in the 4-1 win over the Flames. So he definitely made progress.
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Not you but…why is this so important to track?

Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 11/17/22 @ BOS
- bmeltzer

Puff piece on nd on csn philly

I would agree and this is the draft to have worst record. I understand this will be a long process. So I want Brown, Deslaurais, and MacEwan to get plenty of ice time this season. Unleash Risto. This is not the season for moral victories. I'll take as many 4-1 losses as possible this season and never complain about it.
- Trox88

It is super confusing that most beat up on certain players for being here, all the while wanting the first overall pick. Fletcher has zero direction but neither do some of the fans.

Whatever Torts is doing is getting the results I want. A quick trip to the bottom. Keep the prospects in LV all year. None of them could have the impact of drafting Bedard or Fantilli. Sure, there is no such thing as a risk free prospect. However, these two are pretty close to it. Keep on doing what you do, Torts!
- Trox88

I don't disagree with this (the results are what I want as well) but who's to say he doesn't do this next year too? When Zamula, Attard, York are all a year older. When maybe Gauthier plays well enough to make the team. When, God willing, Bedard or Fantilli or Michkov make the team. There are going to be two spots open next year on D, assuming Braun (which, let's be real he's definitely coming back) isn't re-signed and Seeler is relegated to 7D. Why are they calling up Willman and not giving Foerster a shot? This team can't score, maybe try calling up some guys who were drafted to put up points.

I don't disagree with this (the results are what I want as well) but who's to say he doesn't do this next year too? When Zamula, Attard, York are all a year older. When maybe Gauthier plays well enough to make the team. When, God willing, Bedard or Fantilli or Michkov make the team. There are going to be two spots open next year on D, assuming Braun (which, let's be real he's definitely coming back) isn't re-signed and Seeler is relegated to 7D. Why are they calling up Willman and not giving Foerster a shot? This team can't score, maybe try calling up some guys who were drafted to put up points.
- TobyFlenderson

This will be a process. Fletcher and Torts will not be here when the team returns to relevance. Will it be awhile? Absolutely. Bad teams make bad decisions. Remember the Hextall mantra "you can't overcook prospects." The bad decisions must continue today for the chance at a better future. Fletcher and Torts are the right 2 people at the moment to continue the path of being really bad.

I don't disagree with this (the results are what I want as well) but who's to say he doesn't do this next year too? When Zamula, Attard, York are all a year older. When maybe Gauthier plays well enough to make the team. When, God willing, Bedard or Fantilli or Michkov make the team. There are going to be two spots open next year on D, assuming Braun (which, let's be real he's definitely coming back) isn't re-signed and Seeler is relegated to 7D. Why are they calling up Willman and not giving Foerster a shot? This team can't score, maybe try calling up some guys who were drafted to put up points.
- TobyFlenderson

Foerster has not learned how to play Flyers hockey yet

Have you watched the last two games? Funny what happens when some speed/skill is put on Frost's wings and he actually gets some ice time. His pace picks up. There's some operating room and he makes plays.

You can keep blaming player after player for not developing or you can look at the root cause of players not being developed in a way where the emphasis is on what they do well rather than hyperfocusing on their weaknesses.

If it was just Frost, that'd be one thing. It's way too many players in the system.
- bmeltzer

Big faceoff win last night on the PP, too

and a goal

- rayc16

Would have been fun to see Frost potential on the Bolts.🔩 With Cooper the intelligent coach.

Now Frost - who you have said is what he is, that he does not have "the goods", now needs to play with skilled players based on one game

you should change your screen name to EMF - you're unbelievable
- corduroy

I give credit when credit is due. Frost played well last night and so I gave him credit for that. I have said repeatedly that Hayes should not be out there as much as he is. He is slow first and foremost, he has high risk of turnovers, and sucks at faceoffs which is killing the Flyers in terms of possession. Frost sucks at faceoffs too, routinely gets bumped off the puck and takes dumb penalties.

However, since this is the roster Torts has, why not put the players you have in the best position to amplify their strengths instead of their weaknesses? If Frost is ever going to be anything consistent in the NHL, its not going to be a bottom 6 player, he just does not have the mindset and size to do that. But he has skill and speed, so why not put Frost with players like Tippet and Farabee and see how they do for a few games. I mean what does Torts have to lose at this point? Frost seems to be picking up his play right now, take advantage of it and give him a few games and see what happens. Put him out there 3 on 3 and play him on the top PP unit. That is all I am saying.

Talent disregard for Bedard. Let down your guard for Bedard. Tank hard for Bedard.

Move the team to Chantilly for Fantilli.

Just spitballin
- mickel25

Yup… that’s what the Penguins seem to be doing.

Foerster has not learned how to play Flyers hockey yet
- corduroy

Apparently Chuck's prestige waiver pick up Bellows in the same boat. But he is hard to analyze. I do not see any difference when he is playing or when he is scratched.😆

Have you watched the last two games? Funny what happens when some speed/skill is put on Frost's wings and he actually gets some ice time. His pace picks up. There's some operating room and he makes plays.

You can keep blaming player after player for not developing or you can look at the root cause of players not being developed in a way where the emphasis is on what they do well rather than hyperfocusing on their weaknesses.

If it was just Frost, that'd be one thing. It's way too many players in the system.
- bmeltzer

That’s exactly what I don’t understand. The Flyers spend high draft picks on guys who project to be top 6 forwards, yet seem to only develop them as bottom 6 forwards. Frost is not a checker nor a shutdown guy. He’s supposed to be a playmaker and should be skating with guys who can skate and finish.

Apparently Chuck's prestige waiver pick up Bellows in the same boat. But he is hard to analyze. I do not see any difference when he is playing or when he is scratched.😆
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Bellows can't skate, it was a head scratcher pickup from my perspective because this team needs more foot speed, not less.

Have you watched the last two games? Funny what happens when some speed/skill is put on Frost's wings and he actually gets some ice time. His pace picks up. There's some operating room and he makes plays.

You can keep blaming player after player for not developing or you can look at the root cause of players not being developed in a way where the emphasis is on what they do well rather than hyperfocusing on their weaknesses.

If it was just Frost, that'd be one thing. It's way too many players in the system.
- bmeltzer

This is very accurate. Also doesn't let them off the hook for poor drafting. Too many misses and non impact players.

I give credit when credit is due. Frost played well last night and so I gave him credit for that. I have said repeatedly that Hayes should not be out there as much as he is. He is slow first and foremost, he has high risk of turnovers, and sucks at faceoffs which is killing the Flyers in terms of possession. Frost sucks at faceoffs too, routinely gets bumped off the puck and takes dumb penalties.

However, since this is the roster Torts has, why not put the players you have in the best position to amplify their strengths instead of their weaknesses? If Frost is ever going to be anything consistent in the NHL, its not going to be a bottom 6 player, he just does not have the mindset and size to do that. But he has skill and speed, so why not put Frost with players like Tippet and Farabee and see how they do for a few games. I mean what does Torts have to lose at this point? Frost seems to be picking up his play right now, take advantage of it and give him a few games and see what happens. Put him out there 3 on 3 and play him on the top PP unit. That is all I am saying.
- jd250

Yet Boston will pounce on him next summer.

Lets play silly for Fantilli!
- MBFlyerfan

Ummm
Philly = Fantlli

Yet Boston will pounce on him next summer.
- furio16

Mind boggling

Have you watched the last two games? Funny what happens when some speed/skill is put on Frost's wings and he actually gets some ice time. His pace picks up. There's some operating room and he makes plays.

You can keep blaming player after player for not developing or you can look at the root cause of players not being developed in a way where the emphasis is on what they do well rather than hyperfocusing on their weaknesses.

If it was just Frost, that'd be one thing. It's way too many players in the system.
- bmeltzer

THIS.

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