Truth to what you say, I think if Frost slotted 2nd line right now with Tip, it would be a good measuring stick. Coots 1st line, then Frost, I don't think he will flash much with 1st line matchup. For all the heartburn and the bad game last game, he is still only -1, with -2 coming last game. Frost has shown a good forecheck, some good passing but needs to close the deal. Bottom line, leave him with Tip and lets finally see what we have.
- wcorvette

This organization has really done everything they can to not allow Frost to develop offensive confidence. With few exceptions. It's not going to happen overnight. If it happens at all. It may already be too late. He is not going to develop playing on lower lines with grinders and sparce shifts every period. He is now further hampered by the tough matchups he is going to face with all the injuries. There isn't much that can be done about that. For anyone to say that he hasn't shown flashes over his entire Flyers career to this point. I wonder what they're looking at.

Then let’s give him this year to show results…it’s becoming pretty apparent what they are. The sole focus should be on work ethic and growth for guys like Frost, Cates, Allison, Tippet, Farabee, Hart, Sandstrom, Sanheim, Laczynski, for now and guys like Attard, York and maybe even Forester in the later part of the year. Results do matter.
- landros 2

I have said from day 1 this season you let it play out. He has no trade value. You are really left with seeing what he can do. That being said not sure the coach will see it this way.

Sanheim is what he is imo. I do not expect any growth there at all or very minimal.

This organization has really done everything they can to not allow Frost to develop offensive confidence. With few exceptions. It's not going to happen overnight. If it happens at all. It may already be too late. He is not going to develop playing on lower lines with grinders and sparce shifts every period. He is now further hampered by the tough matchups he is going to face with all the injuries. There isn't much that can be done about that. For anyone to say that he hasn't shown flashes over his entire Flyers career to this point. I wonder what they're looking at.
- MJL

He’s also shown consistently that he doesn’t play with pace. The flashes are few and far between. Plenty of guys have made an impact and climbed line ups playing on lower lines. The Frost apology tour is getting insane.

Hextall tinkering in Pitt, falling flat on his face. He STINKS.
- ClaudeFather

What did he do?Besides Re-sign Kappenen who is a heathy scratch and overpaid.

This organization has really done everything they can to not allow Frost to develop offensive confidence. With few exceptions. It's not going to happen overnight. If it happens at all. It may already be too late. He is not going to develop playing on lower lines with grinders and sparce shifts every period. He is now further hampered by the tough matchups he is going to face with all the injuries. There isn't much that can be done about that. For anyone to say that he hasn't shown flashes over his entire Flyers career to this point. I wonder what they're looking at.
- MJL

Do you ever hold the player accountable at all?

What did he do?Besides Re-sign Kappenen who is a heathy scratch and overpaid.
- furio16

Moved out some D, Matheson and Marino who are having success elsewhere. D is old and slow. Kapanen was a bad one.

This organization has really done everything they can to not allow Frost to develop offensive confidence. With few exceptions. It's not going to happen overnight. If it happens at all. It may already be too late. He is not going to develop playing on lower lines with grinders and sparce shifts every period. He is now further hampered by the tough matchups he is going to face with all the injuries. There isn't much that can be done about that. For anyone to say that he hasn't shown flashes over his entire Flyers career to this point. I wonder what they're looking at.
- MJL

I don't think most take notice of the little plays he makes, he reads the play well, he wins little battles that go unnoticed, then he gets crucified for getting bumped off the puck. Agree, they just don't develop well, first he is with Waiver wire line, then the lineup is so depleted he is top line, not ideal but Frost needs to show something even though he is facing tough matchups. Next 2 games, leave him with Tip, lets see how he handles Pitt and the Caps.

I don't think most take notice of the little plays he makes, he reads the play well, he wins little battles that go unnoticed, then he gets crucified for getting bumped off the puck. Agree, they just don't develop well, first he is with Waiver wire line, then the lineup is so depleted he is top line, not ideal but Frost needs to show something even though he is facing tough matchups. Next 2 games, leave him with Tip, lets see how he handles Pitt and the Caps.
- wcorvette

The thing about his subtle plays that folks love to mention are where are they? Most of them are in the neutral zone. What does he do to get the puck or himself to the net? His cute plays aren’t driving goals in the NHL.

Moved out some D, Matheson and Marino who are having success elsewhere. D is old and slow. Kapanen was a bad one.
- ClaudeFather

Though you meant like he did something yesterday to today.

He is wasting the end of careers of 3 1st ballot hall of fame players. Shocked he still has a job.

I don't think most take notice of the little plays he makes, he reads the play well, he wins little battles that go unnoticed, then he gets crucified for getting bumped off the puck. Agree, they just don't develop well, first he is with Waiver wire line, then the lineup is so depleted he is top line, not ideal but Frost needs to show something even though he is facing tough matchups. Next 2 games, leave him with Tip, lets see how he handles Pitt and the Caps.
- wcorvette

See it already the tough matchup's will be why he hasn't produced.

TK 10-14 days
Laughton 2-3 weeks
Allison 2-3 weeks
Brink maybe December
JVR maybe December
Coots edit Marchish
Cam who knows
Ellis has left the building

just unreal, 3 seasons of the who's who getting injured. This is giving the franchise what they need, let the kids play, finish bottom 3 and hope for better luck going forward

TK 10-14 days
Laughton 2-3 weeks
Allison 2-3 weeks
Brink maybe December
JVR maybe December
Coots edit Marchish
Cam who knows
Ellis has left the building

just unreal, 3 seasons of the who's who getting injured. This is giving the franchise what they need, let the kids play, finish bottom 3 and hope for better luck going forward
- wcorvette

Perfect recipe for a late season surge to ruin the draft pick and give our delusional management hope that this roster is good

2021 2nd rd pick Samu having a great season so far.

I have said from day 1 this season you let it play out. He has no trade value. You are really left with seeing what he can do. That being said not sure the coach will see it this way.

Sanheim is what he is imo. I do not expect any growth there at all or very minimal.
- furio16

As far as Sanheim….I thought his last 40 games last year he was their most consistent d man. He was using his speed to get up into the play and becoming a weapon. You could see his confidence grow, and that translated to his play in his own end as well. This year even his analytic numbers aren’t good….was reading in the Athletic yesterday that his analytic numbers are actually worse this year then Risto’s although I don’t expect that to ever be addressed in these parts. I want to see the guy that just got 6 million plus a year on a long term deal that really did start to step up last year not the guy who seems to have regressed back to his time a couple years back.

He’s also shown consistently that he doesn’t play with pace. The flashes are few and far between. Plenty of guys have made an impact and climbed line ups playing on lower lines. The Frost apology tour is getting insane.
- ClaudeFather

I disagree. Whenever he plays on a scoring line with talented players and gets consistent ice time. He has no issues playing with pace. Player development is not the same for every player. Plenty of guys did not miss most of an entire season. Then only get limited ice time playing with minor leaguers without NHL talent or 4th line grinders. Where he gets 2-3 sifts a period spread out. Playing the majority of it without the puck. The level of ignorance in not looking at all the relevant factors concerning Frost is beyond insane. It's simply about giving the kid a legitimate chance playing in a situation that is most conducive to offensive development. He has played 95 NHL games.

He’s also shown consistently that he doesn’t play with pace. The flashes are few and far between. Plenty of guys have made an impact and climbed line ups playing on lower lines. The Frost apology tour is getting insane.
- ClaudeFather

It really is! First it was Frost is not playing with good players. Now that he is playing with good players, its that Frost is playing against the good players on the other team. I mean, it really is insane!

We have seen Frost play with Tippet and Farabee for 2 games. Tippet far and away has been the most noticeable player on that line, as he has been on *every* line he has played on this season. Farabee has been less noticeable and then there is Frost. Now to be fair Frost has been noticeable but for all the wrong reasons. Not converting on any point blank chances (and he has had several), losing most of his faceoffs and consistently getting knocked off the puck. When you have to search for defensive plays just to pay a player a compliment, you know you are in trouble. And BTW, even on the line Frost is playing on now, Tippet is far and away the best defensive player. But as I posted already, I hope Torts keeps this line together for 10 games at least, so everyone can see once and for all that Frost cannot keep up.

Bottom line is this:

Zack MacEwen: 17games, 3G, 4A, 7pts, +2, 14.02mins
Morgan Frost: 18 games, 2G, 2A, 4pts, -1, 13.42mins

I don't think most take notice of the little plays he makes, he reads the play well, he wins little battles that go unnoticed, then he gets crucified for getting bumped off the puck. Agree, they just don't develop well, first he is with Waiver wire line, then the lineup is so depleted he is top line, not ideal but Frost needs to show something even though he is facing tough matchups. Next 2 games, leave him with Tip, lets see how he handles Pitt and the Caps.
- wcorvette

I read that he gets easily bumped off the puck and laugh. For a small guy he is surprisingly competitive in puck battles. Even initiating contact to create space. He shows his hockey IQ pretty much every game with how he moves the puck quickly and accurately. He is clearly a skilled player that lacks offensive confidence. I wonder why?
Keep with scoring line players and give his sufficient ice time, including PP time for the rest of the season and see what happens.

As far as Sanheim….I thought his last 40 games last year he was their most consistent d man. He was using his speed to get up into the play and becoming a weapon. You could see his confidence grow, and that translated to his play in his own end as well. This year even his analytic numbers aren’t good….was reading in the Athletic yesterday that his analytic numbers are actually worse this year then Risto’s although I don’t expect that to ever be addressed in these parts. I want to see the guy that just got 6 million plus a year on a long term deal that really did start to step up last year not the guy who seems to have regressed back to his time a couple years back.
- landros 2

Flyers country club effect. All this guys knows is losing. He is content with his role on this team. No urgency imo.

I read that he gets easily bumped off the puck and laugh. For a small guy he is surprisingly competitive in puck battles. Even initiating contact to create space. He shows his hockey IQ pretty much every game with how he moves the puck quickly and accurately. He is clearly a skilled player that lacks offensive confidence. I wonder why?
Keep with scoring line players and give his sufficient ice time, including PP time for the rest of the season and see what happens.
- MJL

OR maybe he just lacks a finishing touch.

OR maybe he just lacks a finishing touch.
- furio16

Frost actually does initiate contact to create space, and fails miserably at it, losing most of his puck battles. At this point however, I would be very happy for Torts to keep Frost as the 1C on this team, get him close to 20 mins per game, and get him minutes on the first PP unit. Two good things will come from this: 1. We finally can put the debate on what Frost is to bed, he will succeed of fail and 2. The Flyers will lose lots of games and get a chance at Bedard or Fantilli (already 23 pts in 12 games as a freshman!).

As far as Sanheim….I thought his last 40 games last year he was their most consistent d man. He was using his speed to get up into the play and becoming a weapon. You could see his confidence grow, and that translated to his play in his own end as well. This year even his analytic numbers aren’t good….was reading in the Athletic yesterday that his analytic numbers are actually worse this year then Risto’s although I don’t expect that to ever be addressed in these parts. I want to see the guy that just got 6 million plus a year on a long term deal that really did start to step up last year not the guy who seems to have regressed back to his time a couple years back.
- landros 2

It was a stupid contract to give Sanheim and one made out of desperation. Sanheim did not show anything that remotely made him a defenseman you commit 8 years to. This is one of the worst contracts Fletcher has orchestrated, and he has had some doozies!

I like Sanheim and I'm glad that he was re-signed but I have issues with his contract. Star level players get everything they want in a contract due to the leverage they have. Sanheim is a good solid 2nd pairing puck moving 2 way defenseman. Certainly not a star level player. Contract negotiations with a player like that should be a give and take. With concessions made on both sides. I don't believe that a player of Sanheim's caliber should be given a max term deal. If is given that, what does the team get in return? A break on the AAV? Did they get that? Maybe 5-6 years from now they will if Sanheim continues to play at a quality level. He also got trade protection with a full NTC and then a Modified NTC the last 4 years. He also received some buyout protection with 15M of the deal in signing bonus money. What did the Flyers get in terms of concessions?

Frost actually does initiate contact to create space, and fails miserably at it, losing most of his puck battles. At this point however, I would be very happy for Torts to keep Frost as the 1C on this team, get him close to 20 mins per game, and get him minutes on the first PP unit. Two good things will come from this: 1. We finally can put the debate on what Frost is to bed, he will succeed of fail and 2. The Flyers will lose lots of games and get a chance at Bedard or Fantilli (already 23 pts in 12 games as a freshman!).
- jd250

Frost is ready to play regular minutes against other teams top line players? No he is not. So your idea is to regularly put him in those situations and if he fails he is not an NHL level player. Are you employed by the Flyers?

I want him to produce just like everyone else. It may never happen. However, throwing him to the wolves every night will ensure it does not. Give those matchups to Hayes. Neither option is good for the Flyers chances of winning. However, getting Frost matched up appropriately will help his development. That's what it should be about this year.

I like Sanheim and I'm glad that he was re-signed but I have issues with his contract. Star level players get everything they want in a contract due to the leverage they have. Sanheim is a good solid 2nd pairing puck moving 2 way defenseman. Certainly not a star level player. Contract negotiations with a player like that should be a give and take. With concessions made on both sides. I don't believe that a player of Sanheim's caliber should be given a max term deal. If is given that, what does the team get in return? A break on the AAV? Did they get that? Maybe 5-6 years from now they will if Sanheim continues to play at a quality level. He also got trade protection with a full NTC and then a Modified NTC the last 4 years. He also received some buyout protection with 15M of the deal in signing bonus money. What did the Flyers get in terms of concessions?
- MJL

Agreed on the give and take. Obviously not a great start for him but he is not going to be a better player than we have seen from him already. We’ve seen pretty darn close to his ceiling. He’s never gonna be a PP producer, he’s not going to turn into an elite shutdown guy. He is what he is.

Frost is ready to play regular minutes against other teams top line players? No he is not. So your idea is to regularly put him in those situations and if he fails he is not an NHL level player. Are you employed by the Flyers?

I want him to produce just like everyone else. It may never happen. However, throwing him to the wolves every night will ensure it does not. Give those matchups to Hayes. Neither option is good for the Flyers chances of winning. However, getting Frost matched up appropriately will help his development. That's what it should be about this year.
- mickel25

You can’t have it both ways. The team is void of talent, he’s getting a chance. Complaining about his opposition isn’t warranted.