...or to stop the slow circling and pointless meandering in the offensive zone
...or the drop/cross ice passes to empty ice
...or anything that gets him to play with any level of intensity instead of like Spicolli after lunch

Edit: Trots in pre-game media point blank said Hayes is being moved to Cate's wing because he hasn't shown he can handle the defensive responsibilities. Said he doesn't expect Hayes to be a checker but he has to give more. Said Cates is a more responsible player than Hayes. Boom
- juiced

Can’t say I disagree with Tort’s assessment of Hayes defensive game there are nights it’s been atrocious….and it’s not like he’s great on draws either.

Can’t say I disagree with Tort’s assessment of Hayes defensive game there are nights it’s been atrocious….and it’s not like he’s great on draws either.
- landros 2

And those are his good nights.

My hope is that near the deadline they offer him to playoff contention team on his limited trade list and offer to retain 90+% of this year's cap hit if they take full freight going forward. Honestly wouldn't care what we get back...even if it's a roll of stick tape!
- juiced

Not gonna happen. Too many yrs left on contract. Hayes is a goofball and a loafer reason Rags let him go even though they needed a center. They got. A 1st rd pick for Hayes and turned that into Trouba. Hayes Torts relationship not gonna work and Hayes couldn't care less

Not gonna happen. Too many yrs left on contract. Hayes is a goofball and a loafer reason Rags let him go even though they needed a center. They got. A 1st rd pick for Hayes and turned that into Trouba. Hayes Torts relationship not gonna work and Hayes couldn't care less
- hfc355

It wont be easy...have to hope a team is desperate or thinks they can get him on the right path. As an example only....if Vancouver is going to lose Horvat no matter how hard they try, maybe they could use a center that would cost them much less and possibly fit in better in the west's defense optional conference.

When Hextall was fired on 11/26/2018, the Flyers were in 26th position with a .478 P%.

Right now the Flyers are in 23rd a P% of .500. But by 10:30 on Saturday night they could be as low as .409 if they lose all four games this week in regulation.

My hope is that near the deadline they offer him to playoff contention team on his limited trade list and offer to retain 90+% of this year's cap hit if they take full freight going forward. Honestly wouldn't care what we get back...even if it's a roll of stick tape!
- juiced

Illegal under the CBA

How about Tortorella corrects the wide open uncontested pass from the center point to the wing for uncontested one timers. No sticks in the passing lanes. Both at 5 on 5 and on the PK. You can't be successful in this league without puck pressure.

When Hextall was fired on 11/26/2018, the Flyers were in 26th position with a .478 P%.

Right now the Flyers are in 23rd a P% of .500. But by 10:30 on Saturday night they could be as low as .409 if they lose all four games this week in regulation.
- Feanor

Also were far better situated for the future.

Debating whether to lay the -245 on the Flames.

Also were far better situated for the future.
- MJL

Just cant help yourself when it comes to defending a below average GM.

Care to comment on the job the Pens GM has done during his tenure?

Zamula demoted, but York was not promoted. It's unbelievable they think playing Seeler, Braun and Risto every night is the way forward.

York could definitely help PP2, which I believe hasn't scored a goal all season.
- Feanor

The more that I see these line ups the more I assume that Torts is an undercover part of the tank
It's the only thing that makes sense to see ZM on thw second line

Just cant help yourself when it comes to defending a below average GM.

Care to comment on the job the Pens GM has done during his tenure?
- furio16

What MJL said was completely accurate. Under Hextall the Flyers were in far better shape cap-wise and were accumulating future assets, not spending them in a futile effort to win now.

What Hextall is doing in Pittsburgh has no bearing on that fact and doesn't even have to be said.

He's probably in-sync with the GM on this and implementing it (whatever you may think about it being right or wrong.) He's also probably sending a message to the kids that they have an opportunity to step up (again, whatever you may think about it being right or wrong.)
- atibus

I think he's talking about Frost in particular, hence the top line center.
The sad thing is that no matter what Torts does... stick Frost in the minors, stick him on the top line, stick him on the fourth line, it won't make a difference. Frost will be a late bloomer or bust -- he's not going to suddenly come into his own and center a line this year. I predict we end up letting him go at some point, and he finds himself coming alive in the middle six with skill linemates somewhere else.

What MJL said was completely accurate. Under Hextall the Flyers were in far better shape cap-wise and were accumulating future assets, not spending them in a futile effort to win now.

What Hextall is doing in Pittsburgh has no bearing on that fact and doesn't even have to be said.
- StepfordSam

What is also completely accurate is he was not a good GM. If comparing him to the current GM and saying he is better makes the Hextall fan club happy then so be it. It is a very low bar.

Who said what he is doing in Pitt mattered? I posed a simple question looking for one’s opinion is all. What does the Hextall fan club think of the job he has done so far in Pitt.

I think he's talking about Frost in particular, hence the top line center.
The sad thing is that no matter what Torts does... stick Frost in the minors, stick him on the top line, stick him on the fourth line, it won't make a difference. Frost will be a late bloomer or bust -- he's not going to suddenly come into his own and center a line this year. I predict we end up letting him go at some point, and he finds himself coming alive in the middle six with skill linemates somewhere else.
- therabbi

The more that I see these line ups the more I assume that Torts is an undercover part of the tank
It's the only thing that makes sense to see ZM on thw second line
- Bob Habib

To me it feels like he's treating this as an 82 game preseason.

There's some disconnect between Torts and Fletcher/Scott IMO.

Well it would be interesting if we step in you know what and get bedard this draft. Centers ….
Coots
Gauthier
Bedard
Hayes
Frost.

I think he's talking about Frost in particular, hence the top line center.
The sad thing is that no matter what Torts does... stick Frost in the minors, stick him on the top line, stick him on the fourth line, it won't make a difference. Frost will be a late bloomer or bust -- he's not going to suddenly come into his own and center a line this year. I predict we end up letting him go at some point, and he finds himself coming alive in the middle six with skill linemates somewhere else.
- therabbi

Frost has shown plenty of signs of breaking out and has the potential to center a solid scoring line in the NHL.

Overall, I guess I view Hextall's job as GM as ok.

As usual, there are moves people can agree and disagree with.

But to me, he also was a bit of a contradiction.

Made moves to clear cap space. Then spent money on players that took chunks of it away.

Moved out a 25 yr old Schenn with a team friendly cap hit and he had two 20 goal seasons in a row because he wanted those two 1 rounders. ok. I can see that. But doing so created a negative atmosphere because it basically told the fans and team that Hextall wasn't interested in winning now. esp with having to keep a salary dump like Lehtera around. yuck.

But then signed JVR to a bigger contract. A move that's done to say you want to be more competitive and win. Yet he was patient with Hakstol and the Flyers losing, playing really bad hockey that led to a ton of empty seats which pissed off corporate comcast.

This led corporate comcast to bring in Fletcher who is not building anything but spend up to the cap for one of the worst teams in the league because corporate comcast just wants a playoff appearrance for the playoff revenue.

I don't blame Hextall for some draft picks like Rubstov. I disliked the pick, but also saw it was a 'dead zone' in that part of the draft. So nobody else, at the time, was standing out to me to be selected instead.

But I also don't give him too much credit for Provorov. Prov was projected to go in that range and anybody there would have seriously considered picking him.

Just like I don't blame him for Patrick. I had concerns about Patrick. Esp since Makar looked sooooo dynamic. But I understand the 'follow the consensus' mentality. I liked Makar, but admit, if I was the GM, don't know if i would have the courage to select him at no. 2 when sooo many said it was the 2 forwards followed by the 2 d-men. Hisk. I liked as well but needed to see more of him since he was over in Europe.

Overall, I guess I view Hextall's job as GM as ok.

As usual, there are moves people can agree and disagree with.

But to me, he also was a bit of a contradiction.

Made moves to clear cap space. Then spent money on players that took chunks of it away.

Moved out a 25 yr old Schenn with a team friendly cap hit and he had two 20 goal seasons in a row because he wanted those two 1 rounders. ok. I can see that. But doing so created a negative atmosphere because it basically told the fans and team that Hextall wasn't interested in winning now. esp with having to keep a salary dump like Lehtera around. yuck.

But then signed JVR to a bigger contract. A move that's done to say you want to be more competitive and win. Yet he was patient with Hakstol and the Flyers losing, playing really bad hockey that led to a ton of empty seats which pissed off corporate comcast.

This led corporate comcast to bring in Fletcher who is not building anything but spend up to the cap for one of the worst teams in the league because corporate comcast just wants a playoff appearrance for the playoff revenue.

I don't blame Hextall for some draft picks like Rubstov. I disliked the pick, but also saw it was a 'dead zone' in that part of the draft. So nobody else, at the time, was standing out to me to be selected instead.

But I also don't give him too much credit for Provorov. Prov was projected to go in that range and anybody there would have seriously considered picking him.

Just like I don't blame him for Patrick. I had concerns about Patrick. Esp since Makar looked sooooo dynamic. But I understand the 'follow the consensus' mentality. I liked Makar, but admit, if I was the GM, don't know if i would have the courage to select him at no. 2 when sooo many said it was the 2 forwards followed by the 2 d-men. Hisk. I liked as well but needed to see more of him since he was over in Europe.
- Captain_Ahab

Then you trade out of that pick for future pick or a prospect/young player.

Imagine they keep Schenn. Then trade the #2 pick for future assets along with young ready or already in NHL player who can be a part of the future. Support the core they had in place. instead of flat out wasting it.

does hayes have any trade value with max salary retained?

does hayes have any trade value with max salary retained?
- 2Real

Maybe in the summer if he stays healthy and has a productive year points wise. At 3.5 per he will have some value imo.

Then you trade out of that pick for future pick or a prospect/young player.

Imagine they keep Schenn. Then trade the #2 pick for future assets along with young ready or already in NHL player who can be a part of the future. Support the core they had in place. instead of flat out wasting it.
- furio16

It was a waste of the core. But Hextall probably thought with Patrick, he got a center who could be entering his prime years just when Giroux's contract was about to expire. So I understand holding on to it.

But, yeah. Hextall could have gotten a lot for that pick.

As for the Rubstov pick. Yeah, i would have liked to trade it away. But teams probably knew it was a dead zone so i'm not sure anyone would have much interest for that pick. Maybe i'm wrong.

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- furio16