Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 12/7/2022 vs. WSH

Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 12/7/2022 vs. WSH
- bmeltzer

Thanks Bill

I'm not familiar with Charlie Lindgren so is this where he stones the Flyers for 1 or 2 goals? Possibly even a shutout?

Cruising towards a bottom 5 finish while making sure that Braun, Ristolainen and Seeler play at least 200 combined games as three NHL ready D prospects in the last year of their ELCs toil away in the minors or sit in the press box. The Flyers are a bad team that will continue to be bad for many years because they are also very bad at development.

How long have the Flyers been rebuilding for? How about Edmonton? How long have they been building for? How about Buffalo? Vegas was an expansion team that was not built by conventional means available to other teams. They still haven't won anything. The Rangers were not built as quickly as some want to believe. They were also aided by a free agent signing of Panarin at a fairly young age and a future Norris trophy defenseman who only wanted to play for them. Not a likely repeatable path. TB didn't truly break through until 7 and 8 years after drafting Stamkos and Hedman. Not until they added Vasilevsky, Kucherov and Point did they become a truly elite team. How about Florida, who won the Presidents trophy last year. It's been 8 and 9 years since they drafted Ekblad and Barkov. They still haven't broken through. Colorado's journey to the Cup was a 7- year journey. I could on and on. You can get incrementally better on the ride and become a more fun and competitive team and have some playoff runs. However, you'd have to be extremely fortunate and not only draft some generational players but also shrewdly build around those players to do it faster than a 7-10 year period.
- MJL

Building is a continual process for every NHL franchise, that's why there's a draft every year, it doesn't stop, or at least it shouldn't. That said, there's different levels and types of building. It also doesn't have to lead to a Stanley Cup to be successful, at least in my humble opinion. If it brings about good competitive hockey then it's successful. Sure the point is to win the cup but only one team gets to do that. Washington Capitals had ten great years of hockey, playoff hockey, before they finally won the cup, I wanna win the cup but you've gotta walk before you run. The Flyers have some nice young talent they've assembled, they don't need a scorched earth rebuild, but they do need a rebuild in the sense they need highend talent that you can usually only find at the top end of the NHL Entry Draft.

Building is a continual process for every NHL franchise, that's why there's a draft every year, it doesn't stop, or at least it shouldn't. That said, there's different levels and types of building. It also doesn't have to lead to a Stanley Cup to be successful, at least in my humble opinion. If it brings about good competitive hockey then it's successful. Sure the point is to win the cup but only one team gets to do that. Washington Capitals had ten great years of hockey, playoff hockey, before they finally won the cup, I wanna win the cup but you've gotta walk before you run. The Flyers have some nice young talent they've assembled, they don't need a scorched earth rebuild, but they do need a rebuild in the sense they need highend talent that you can usually only find at the top end of the NHL Entry Draft.
- Dave21Brown

Totally disagree. There’s probably 3 guys that are really worth keeping.

- Dave21Brown

Watched his highlights from the first month, looks pretty damn good

- Dave21Brown

Looks like CG is doing pretty well.

Watched his highlights from the first month, looks pretty damn good
- ClaudeFather

Where did you find the highlights? BC website? YT?

Geez, many teams out there with multiple injured players, trend that cannot continue.

Where did you find the highlights? BC website? YT?
- Letterkenney

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gjoKJ-uDajg[url]

Building is a continual process for every NHL franchise, that's why there's a draft every year, it doesn't stop, or at least it shouldn't. That said, there's different levels and types of building. It also doesn't have to lead to a Stanley Cup to be successful, at least in my humble opinion. If it brings about good competitive hockey then it's successful. Sure the point is to win the cup but only one team gets to do that. Washington Capitals had ten great years of hockey, playoff hockey, before they finally won the cup, I wanna win the cup but you've gotta walk before you run. The Flyers have some nice young talent they've assembled, they don't need a scorched earth rebuild, but they do need a rebuild in the sense they need highend talent that you can usually only find at the top end of the NHL Entry Draft.
- Dave21Brown

First of all, why move a post to another thread?

Seems like you're willing to grant the team a grace period. I'm not. As a long time Flyers fan, just being competitive and fun to watch is not good enough anymore. I've had my full share of that. I certainly would prefer that over what we have now. It is not enough to satisfy me as a fan. Especially with the dysfunction that they have been operating with and their refusal to learn and keep up with the modern-day NHL. It's true that only one team a year wins the Cup, but I want my team to be at a level of being a legit contender. I think it's a shame when a fan settles for less than they deserve. This organization hasn't earned that with their performance in the last decade.

i was hoping keumper would start and shut us out

Totally disagree. There’s probably 3 guys that are really worth keeping.
- ClaudeFather

Hart
Farabee
Konecny
Provorov
Sanheim.
Laughton

Hart
Farabee
Konecny
Provorov
Sanheim.
Laughton
- MJL

I would trade Laughton but I also believe he’s an asset on any team. It would do him well to be a bottom six player on a winner.

First of all, why move a post to another thread?

Seems like you're willing to grant the team a grace period. I'm not. As a long time Flyers fan, just being competitive and fun to watch is not good enough anymore. I've had my full share of that. I certainly would prefer that over what we have now. It is not enough to satisfy me as a fan. Especially with the dysfunction that they have been operating with and their refusal to learn and keep up with the modern-day NHL. It's true that only one team a year wins the Cup, but I want my team to be at a level of being a legit contender. I think it's a shame when a fan settles for less than they deserve. This organization hasn't earned that with their performance in the last decade.
- MJL

1) Free will, because I wanted to.

2) As a 57 year old life long fan myself, yes, even though we don't really have a say in the matter, yes, I'm willing to do things the right way and have to team rebuild through the draft for a few years like most successful teams do. They need to build a core from the draft. Screwin around trying to win through trades and free agency is a thing of the past. First you build a core and then you supplement them with trades and free agency.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gjoKJ-uDajg
- ClaudeFather

A lot of really bad defensive plays in those clips, dudes just falling all over the place

Where are the highlights of his 200 foot game? Any vids of him being heavy on the puck? Tough in the corners? His coach ever say how he "plays the right way?"

Get back to us when you have something relevant to the Philadelphia Flyers.

Signed,

Fletch

Hart
Farabee
Konecny
Provorov
Sanheim.
Laughton
- MJL

My personal list starts and ends w/ TK

A lot of really bad defensive plays in those clips, dudes just falling all over the place
- Tomahawk

Haha yes, but some good stuff outside of those too

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gjoKJ-uDajg
- ClaudeFather[url]

I don’t think much of what we’re seeing in these clips would work in the NHL. I’d like to see more of his positional play, rather than plays on the rush or a shot that allowed a leaky goal.

A lot of really bad defensive plays in those clips, dudes just falling all over the place
- Tomahawk

For a few moments there, I thought I was watching bantam hockey.

Hart
Farabee
Konecny
Provorov
Sanheim.
Laughton
- MJL

What are you keeping Laughton for exactly, heart and soul? How old will he be when this turns around?

Totally disagree. There’s probably 3 guys that are really worth keeping.
- ClaudeFather

I don't see it that, there's a good group of young players that I like here. Are there plenty of them, no, are they McDavid or Draisaitl, no, but they don't have to be. We have a small group that we/I can say we aren't starting from absolute zero.

I like Cutter Gauthier and Tyson Foerster, I think those kids have potential. I also like Farabee, who's only 22 years old, Carter Hart 24 years old, Cam York is only 21 years old, I also like Adam Ginning as he's got NHL potential to be a solid defenseman.

What we're lacking is the highend guys which you get from the top of the draft, I think the organization would be wise to sell off guys like Provorov and Hayes, acquire draft picks and start accumulating depth within the organization and hopefully get a few talented player that can really make a difference for the organization.