Did you see the pass he made to Hayes last night? (I could cite about 15 other plays this season, as well). Tortorella himself said that there's a good NHL player in there with Frost; the issue is how to bring that out in him more consistently.

Absolutely NOT a question of talent or "not good enough".
- bmeltzer

The same goes for Ratcliffe, although to this point he hasn’t shown anywhere close to what even Frost has done. He dominated in his last year of JR. I watched a bunch of games that year…he’s not a one trick pony. He see’s the ice really well and despite his size gets around pretty good and always seemed to find that scorers area The guy scored 50 in the O….that’s not an easy thing to do. It requires a ton of skill. The fact they aren’t sure what they should develop him into at this point borders on incompetence. Let the kid go to another organization and at least give him a chance.

That has been the major problem for a long time now. They have basically gotten nothing after the first round for over 20 years. The lack of development is an organizational issue not a specific GM issue.
- mickel25

That is why I used the word franchise.

This next season will be critical to see what has come from Fletcher and Flahr's picks, given York, Foerster and Andrae and Brink should all be ready for prime time.
- jd250

Honestly, do any of those guys have a snowball's chance in hell of becoming at least decent building blocks like TK, Provy and Hart?

We've already seen that York is gonna have a tough time dealing with Torts. Andrae brings more Torts stuff to the table, but 5'8 is a hell of an obstacle to overcome for a dman. If Foerster can't score in bunches, Torts will treat him like Bellows. And Brink is talented but he's already dealing with major injury.

No other names from 2019 and 2020 are likely to make an impact. 2021 is basically a write-off already with how hopeless Tuomaala looks.

All Fletch/Flahr's eggs are in the Cutter basket now.

Been saying it since he was drafted...just cant skate well enough to play in NHL...4th line player this year with Phantoms...forget about him
- hfc355

I thought he skated just fine in his games last year….sure he’s not Paul Coffee like, but he was not behind the pace at all.

Here's a thought for a player development strategy for the Flyers. Emphasize a player's strengths and let him be the player he is going to be. Doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't work to improve weaknesses. Don't tie a RH players RH behind his back and tell him he has to play LH.

Did you see the pass he made to Hayes last night? (I could cite about 15 other plays this season, as well). Tortorella himself said that there's a good NHL player in there with Frost; the issue is how to bring that out in him more consistently.

Absolutely NOT a question of talent or "not good enough".
- bmeltzer

Hell of pass... Hayes should have buried that.

Honestly, do any of those guys have a snowball's chance in hell of becoming at least decent building blocks like TK, Provy and Hart?

We've already seen that York is gonna have a tough time dealing with Torts. Andrae brings more Torts stuff to the table, but 5'8 is a hell of an obstacle to overcome for a dman. If Foerster can't score in bunches, Torts will treat him like Bellows. And Brink is talented but he's already dealing with major injury.

No other names from 2019 and 2020 are likely to make an impact. 2021 is basically a write-off already with how hopeless Tuomaala looks.

All Fletch/Flahr's eggs are in the Cutter basket now.
- Tomahawk

York should've been in the Flyers lineup since game 1.

The Flyers haven't won 2 games in a row since Nov 8.

Here's a thought for a player development strategy for the Flyers. Emphasize a player's strengths and let him be the player he is going to be. Doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't work to improve weaknesses. Don't tie a RH players RH behind his back and tell him he has to play LH.
- MJL

But the Flyers way of forcing a square peg through a round hole has had such a great track record for us!

I seriously have to wonder what goes on with our development/scouting departments. The scouts must hate watching them do this to guys.

Honestly, do any of those guys have a snowball's chance in hell of becoming at least decent building blocks like TK, Provy and Hart?

We've already seen that York is gonna have a tough time dealing with Torts. Andrae brings more Torts stuff to the table, but 5'8 is a hell of an obstacle to overcome for a dman. If Foerster can't score in bunches, Torts will treat him like Bellows. And Brink is talented but he's already dealing with major injury.

No other names from 2019 and 2020 are likely to make an impact. 2021 is basically a write-off already with how hopeless Tuomaala looks.

All Fletch/Flahr's eggs are in the Cutter basket now.
- Tomahawk

Lot of pressure on one pick. Although being in NCAA away from this organization for a couple of years is probably a good thing. Also hoping they uncovered a solid D man in Ethan Samson…has a chance to crack Canada’s JR squad this year and is having a stellar season out in the WHL. A big kid with some decent offensive skill.

The Flyers haven't won 2 games in a row since Nov 8.
- PLindbergh31

This year or last

York should've been in the Flyers lineup since game 1.
- MJL

He should have offered his face to Johnston as a punching bag.

Did you see the pass he made to Hayes last night? (I could cite about 15 other plays this season, as well). Tortorella himself said that there's a good NHL player in there with Frost; the issue is how to bring that out in him more consistently.

Absolutely NOT a question of talent or "not good enough".
- bmeltzer

Yes, that was a great pass, but the problem remains with me that he seems to be invisible most games. I thought he played well against the Avs, but then there are stretches of games where nothing happens. He's being given a fair chance now and he needs to make the most of it or the sand in the hour glass is going to run out at some point. I really think Torts is giving MacEwen more ice time in some games to show Frost how hard he competes. Frost just doesn't seem to have the compete level. Perhaps I'm misguided. I mean, I notice Tippett much more than Frost.

Lot of pressure on one pick. Although being in NCAA away from this organization for a couple of years is probably a good thing. Also hoping they uncovered a solid D man in Ethan Samson…has a chance to crack Canada’s JR squad this year and is having a stellar season out in the WHL. A big kid with some decent offensive skill.
- landros 2

Samson is definitely the lone glimmer of hope from that draft.

Let’s give Sleepy Joe a pat on the back for his latest publicity stunt. Que the interview tour and Netflix Doc for Griner. Wonder how Paul whelan and his family feel about this

Did you see the pass he made to Hayes last night? (I could cite about 15 other plays this season, as well). Tortorella himself said that there's a good NHL player in there with Frost; the issue is how to bring that out in him more consistently.

Absolutely NOT a question of talent or "not good enough".
- bmeltzer

Frost has the talent, no doubt. But where is the desire? Where is the consistency? Is that on the coach or the development staff to bring that out in him or is it on Frost to show up ready to play each and every game, each and every shift? There are too many talented players in this league who do not need coaches or development staff to push that out of them, they have the compete level and the drive to do that on their own. When I heard Torts say this about Frost I knew then Frost is not going to be part of the solution here, because it shouldn't be on the coaches to bring that out in him, it should be on Frost!

Let’s give Sleepy Joe a pat on the back for his latest publicity stunt. Que the interview tour and Netflix Doc for Griner. Wonder how Paul whelan and his family feel about this
- ClaudeFather

Go cry about it on Parlor. Zero need to bring politics up on here again. You know how this goes here.

Yes, that was a great pass, but the problem remains with me that he seems to be invisible most games. I thought he played well against the Avs, but then there are stretches of games where nothing happens. He's being given a fair chance now and he needs to make the most of it or the sand in the hour glass is going to run out at some point. I really think Torts is giving MacEwen more ice time in some games to show Frost how hard he competes. Frost just doesn't seem to have the compete level. Perhaps I'm misguided. I mean, I notice Tippett much more than Frost.
- Phillywhiteout

IMO your not misguided at all, you are spot on!

Go cry about it on Parlor. Zero need to bring politics up on here again. You know how this goes here.
- hereticpride

His family took it pretty gracefully

Honestly, do any of those guys have a snowball's chance in hell of becoming at least decent building blocks like TK, Provy and Hart?

We've already seen that York is gonna have a tough time dealing with Torts. Andrae brings more Torts stuff to the table, but 5'8 is a hell of an obstacle to overcome for a dman. If Foerster can't score in bunches, Torts will treat him like Bellows. And Brink is talented but he's already dealing with major injury.

No other names from 2019 and 2020 are likely to make an impact. 2021 is basically a write-off already with how hopeless Tuomaala looks.

All Fletch/Flahr's eggs are in the Cutter basket now.
- Tomahawk

You may be right, though I think York will be a good player in this league for many years and Torts will help his development immensely. But that was my point, is it a player development issue or are the Flyers just drafting bad players. I used to be very confident in Hextall, because I thought draft wise he and his staff were the smartest people in the room. I was wrong. We saw time and time again over the 5 drafts he had how many players he missed on. When Fletcher came here I also thought he and Flahr drafted well in Minnesota and he would do well here. Well, next year is the year, either these players are playing and playing well for the Flyers or its just another nail on Fletcher's coffin.

You may be right, though I think York will be a good player in this league for many years and Torts will help his development immensely. But that was my point, is it a player development issue or are the Flyers just drafting bad players. I used to be very confident in Hextall, because I thought draft wise he and his staff were the smartest people in the room. I was wrong. We saw time and time again over the 5 drafts he had how many players he missed on. When Fletcher came here I also thought he and Flahr drafted well in Minnesota and he would do well here. Well, next year is the year, either these players are playing and playing well for the Flyers or its just another nail on Fletcher's coffin.
- jd250

Oh Christ….next year? There’s already enough “nails” in the coffin. Fletcher’s inability to take the Flyers to that next level beyond what Hextall left is painfully obvious every single night they play. It’s not yesturday…it’s “4” years ago. That was literally his mandate….all he’s delivered is excuses. What’s even scarier is he continues to double down on his stupid decisions that’s going to make his eventual successor’s job all the more tough.

6 points from the bottom. So the homestand was not a killer. Stsyimg the course for Fletcher to be removed before the deadline.

6 points from the bottom. So the homestand was not a killer. Stsyimg the course for Fletcher to be removed before the deadline.
- Trox88

6 points from the bottom?! C'mon, they're only 8 points out of a wildcard spot!

Jordan Hall is a serious company man -- he thinks they held their own against Tampa

You may be right, though I think York will be a good player in this league for many years and Torts will help his development immensely. But that was my point, is it a player development issue or are the Flyers just drafting bad players. I used to be very confident in Hextall, because I thought draft wise he and his staff were the smartest people in the room. I was wrong. We saw time and time again over the 5 drafts he had how many players he missed on. When Fletcher came here I also thought he and Flahr drafted well in Minnesota and he would do well here. Well, next year is the year, either these players are playing and playing well for the Flyers or its just another nail on Fletcher's coffin.
- jd250

It's been a combo of bad development, questionable picks and horrible injury luck. The Flyers trifecta.

I don't see much from Flahr's draft history to instill much confidence. Kaprisov was a stroke of luck, not something that can be easily replicated. The rest of his picks were meh.