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Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Dec 8 @ 1:07 PM ET
O'Brien has the goods. He's going to be a player. I watch a lot of hockey and live in Boston. Short time later. I don't think he's going to be signed.

Don't worry about that though. Boston is going to trade for Hayes because he is a hometown guy.

- MJL



What do you think the Flyers could get for Hayes today?

corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Dec 8 @ 1:08 PM ET
What do you think the Flyers could get for Hayes today?
- Minnyhock



hayes and a 23 first gets you a mid-level player and a 28 2nd
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Dec 8 @ 1:11 PM ET
hayes and a 23 first gets you a mid-level player and a 28 2nd
- corduroy


No way Fletcher does that. He’d insist they add a 2042 6th.

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Dec 8 @ 1:18 PM ET
A lot of what a development coach is NOT on the ice. They have on-ice coaches. They work with the mentality, the professionalism side and make suggestions (but not demands) for on-ice adjustments.

Sammy helped Robert Hägg, failed offensive-minded defenseman, find a different niche and get to the NHL for 300+ games. Laugh and roll your eyes all you want at "take the body, handle the puck less and go off the glass with the puck" as advice but for players like Hägg who seemed in danger of not rising above the NHL, adopting a different approach to find a role player spot in the NHL is a career-saver.

He was part of the development process with Travis Sanheim. He helped Phil Myers (whose later regression came at the NHL level after a promising start) early on. In fact, the Flyers have had quite a few homegrown defensemen in recent years who've become NHL lineup regulars or are knocking on the door.

It's the job of the development coaches to help prospects become pros. The rest is on the player himself and his direct coaches to utilize him in a way that puts him in position to succeed.

- bmeltzer



Ahh yes, the bi-monthly "This is what a player development coach does" explanation. See you again in 2 months when someone brings up Chris Stewart.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Dec 8 @ 1:23 PM ET
So this is what Limbo feels like.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: tied up at a diddy party, YT
Joined: 01.10.2015

Dec 8 @ 1:28 PM ET
O'Brien has the goods. He's going to be a player. I watch a lot of hockey and live in Boston. Short time later. I don't think he's going to be signed.

Don't worry about that though. Boston is going to trade for Hayes because he is a hometown guy.

- MJL


i know you like picking on jd250 all the time but this is getting very tired and makes me think he's on your mind - a lot. pretty pathetic.

Also, York should not have been on this team day 1. he had a terrible camp. but you'll continue to talk like you have any idea what you're saying
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Dec 8 @ 1:33 PM ET
So this is what Limbo feels like.
- mikeyo27


Feels more like this:

SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 8 @ 1:41 PM ET
LOL. Hextall drafted Provorov, Sanheim and Konecny in the first round.
- MJL

Did Hextall draft Carter Hart and Joel Farabee?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Dec 8 @ 1:46 PM ET
Did Hextall draft Carter Hart and Joel Farabee?
- SuperSchennBros



yes and yes
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 8 @ 2:02 PM ET
i know you like picking on jd250 all the time but this is getting very tired and makes me think he's on your mind - a lot. pretty pathetic.

Also, York should not have been on this team day 1. he had a terrible camp. but you'll continue to talk like you have any idea what you're saying

- black_francis

A horrible camp indeed, he played himself off the team
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Dec 8 @ 2:06 PM ET
Did Hextall draft Carter Hart and Joel Farabee?
- SuperSchennBros


He did. They’re both absolute busts and should be placed on waivers immediately. I wonder how long it will be until chuck can’t use the this whole mess is hextalls fault excuse when he talks to Scott?
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Dec 8 @ 2:08 PM ET
So York gets called up and Zamula sent down- interesting timing going on a road trip
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Dec 8 @ 2:09 PM ET
What do you think the Flyers could get for Hayes today?
- Minnyhock


So he’s got a 12 team no trade clause. A trade is doable but I am not sure what we’d get. I think we might get a decent return if we retained some salary
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 8 @ 2:16 PM ET
So he’s got a 12 team no trade clause. A trade is doable but I am not sure what we’d get. I think we might get a decent return if we retained some salary
- Hextall271

I don’t see it. You’d have to retain like $2M which is unrealistic and the team won’t do. He’s only moved in a Jake/Cam type deal
Flyerfan2868
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.15.2013

Dec 8 @ 2:18 PM ET
hayes and a 23 first gets you a mid-level player and a 28 2nd
- corduroy


Fletcher would be giving the 28 2nd rounder, not receiving imo....it's just what he does lol
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Dec 8 @ 2:35 PM ET
as of now I don't see O'Brien getting offered a contract unfortunately.
- jd250

Neither do I. If they haven't offered him one yet I doubt they're in a hurry to do so, which is puzzling since we have worse contracts on our books rather than JOB

Flyers management doing flyers management things, eh?
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Dec 8 @ 2:41 PM ET
York did not have a good camp but in his limited NHL time he was more noticeable than Zam's time

either way sit Braun and lets see if Cam can help
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Dec 8 @ 2:44 PM ET
O'Brien has 6 points last 6 games I think, he is coming on LOL
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 8 @ 2:46 PM ET
What do you think the Flyers could get for Hayes today?
- Minnyhock

3rd and B tier prospect?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 8 @ 2:48 PM ET
York up
Zamula down

per AKimelman
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 8 @ 2:49 PM ET
So York gets called up and Zamula sent down- interesting timing going on a road trip
- Trox88


About time York got called up. Hopefully he takes Provy's spot running PP2.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 8 @ 2:49 PM ET
O'Brien has 6 points last 6 games I think, he is coming on LOL
- wcorvette


Pretty good for a 23 year old.

If he was in a pro league.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 8 @ 2:50 PM ET
About time York got called up. Hopefully he takes Provy's spot running PP2.
- Feanor

All the complaining that he was going to be there forever…
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Dec 8 @ 2:59 PM ET
Regarding York. If anything this was the right decision by the organization. He had a really bad camp, didn’t look himself. They send him down for 20 games to get his game back and then call him up. That’s the way it should be for a young D man.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Dec 8 @ 3:08 PM ET
All the complaining that he was going to be there forever…
- ClaudeFather


I never said he was going to be there forever. Just that he should have been up weeks ago because the #4-6 dmen the Flyers have been putting out every night are very poor, and the 2nd PP unit has been completely useless.

There are only 4 players in the league who have played 20+ games but have zero points, and two of them are Flyers defenseman.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...points&page=0&pageSize=50
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