See I differ a bit on this player….true he has underperformed and had shaky a growth trajectory , but I still think you use one of your 50 contracts and get him in here. He hasn’t shown any real sign he can reach his pre draft projectory levels but that’s why you have 50 contracts. Maybe he can blossom? Guys do develop at different time frames. Maybe he only becomes an AHL regular, but I don’t see a real deep talent pool when it comes to prospects, that they shouldn’t be taking a chance.
- landros 2

The key for Jay first and foremost is he has to stay on the ice, that has been his problem for 4 years now. If he can do that and be productive, he absolutely has a shot still to get signed. All I was pointing out is given his injuries he is just not a sure thing. I was confident he would be on the Flyers by now a few years ago because he has speed and tenacity, but things have changed unfortunately. Still, he has picked it up recently with 2G and 5A in his last 7 games, so maybe his game is starting to come back. I have been watching Gauthier a lot more recently so haven't seen as many games from JOB this year.

I am still (honestly) waiting to hear why we should put the term "Cote suite" in the Cote suite.

For a team lacking in scoring, I have to believe Foerster gets a look in the second half of the year. Curious to see how he does.
- Trox88

He’s starting to find his way this year. I’m hoping the same that he gets a look at some point this year.

I am still (honestly) waiting to hear why we should put the term "Cote suite" in the Cote suite.
- MBFlyerfan

That was weird.

Coots and Cam? I guess we’ll see. Gauthier might be stretch. As will o top 3 pick. I actually really like Tippet’s game and honestly think TK has been the Flyers best player this year… I guess I really don’t have an idea of what the hell Fletchers actual plan is? How could I ? I don’t think he knows.
- landros 2

I really like TK and Tippet's games this year. I absolutely loved TK giving Ovechkin crap after that 2nd empty net goal last game too! Gauthier will absolutely be here next year, he already looks like the best player on the ice in most games that I have seen BC play. The top 3 pick IMO is essential for this franchise to move forward and have a chance. They need top end talent, this is the year to get it. Regarding Fletcher, this is exactly why I turned on him, he doesn't seem to have a plan, just winging it and sinking this franchise further into oblivion in the process. Any smart GM would realize this team even if completely 100% healthy is going no where, and thus would be tanking right now to get a chance at top end talent like Bedard and company.

I really like TK and Tippet's games this year. I absolutely loved TK giving Ovechkin crap after that 2nd empty net goal last game too! Gauthier will absolutely be here next year, he already looks like the best player on the ice in most games that I have seen BC play. The top 3 pick IMO is essential for this franchise to move forward and have a chance. They need top end talent, this is the year to get it. Regarding Fletcher, this is exactly why I turned on him, he doesn't seem to have a plan, just winging it and sinking this franchise further into oblivion in the process. Any smart GM would realize this team even if completely 100% healthy is going no where, and thus would be tanking right now to get a chance at top end talent like Bedard and company.
- jd250

I really think Fletcher sold the Flyers on this plan when he was hired….that they just needed a little more aggressiveness on the roster building….it just hasn’t worked…thus the excuses. His job is probably tied to this process that we see. If the Flyers were to flip the script and go rebuild(tough to do with what Fletcher has now tied the Flyers to contract wise) then I think it would be pretty apparent that he’s not the guy to do that job. Plain and simple.

I am still (honestly) waiting to hear why we should put the term "Cote suite" in the Cote suite.
- MBFlyerfan

I'm waiting for the day reality sets in, and some fans realize that Fletcher is not going to be able to trade his way out of the mess he has created and move the Flyers problem players. Not without giving up significant future assets that the team can't afford to give up.

Kind of reminds me of Rielly. There has been discussion of him "not being a #1" and to be traded. Get a good cast and that all changes.
- Aaron_85

Apparently you guys don't even need a real #1... or a #2... or even a #3.

Fletcher has been "winging" it since the day he was hired. He never had a real plan. That's not turning on him, it's more like finally realizing what everyone has been stating for literally years.

Fletcher has been "winging" it since the day he was hired. He never had a real plan. That's not turning on him, it's more like finally realizing what everyone has been stating for literally years.
- MJL

He did make a good signing the other day, signing that Wertz kid.



In all seriousness, that really is a great story.

Its pure nonsense to state Fletcher has been winging it from day one. Hextall was fired first and foremost because he was not willing to accelerate the rebuild and get this team going. Fletcher came in here and was asked to move things a long. His first off season he brought up Carter Hart to the Flyers, something Hextall was not willing to do, hired a proven NHL coach (AV) and then brought in some experienced players to fill holes, for example Hayes to play 2C given Patrick was not going to be able to play, and Niskinen to play 1D next to Provey. The Hayes signing was clearly an overpay no doubt, but the rest of his moves were good ones. No one who is objective can argue with this. The Flyers were one of the best teams in the league as a result before Covid and ended up 1 game from the final 4. Fletcher the next off season did very little to the team which made sense given the season they just had. Niskinen retiring was a big blow and a hard spot to fill for any GM, a top pairing RHS defenseman. Covid was in full bloom, the team did not handle it well and the next season was a disaster. Fletcher attempted to fix the problem with some more bold moves in the next off season. They obviously did not work out. He took a gamble with Ellis, that blew up in his face. AV lost that room and had to be fired. Couts was out, Hayes was out, the season was a disaster. At this point Fletcher panicked and doubled down, showing way too much faith in the players he had, when clearly it was time to change direction. This is where he lost me. Any rational hockey fan with knowledge cannot dispute these facts!

Coyle slotted on that 3rd line has helped him and the team immensely, no doubt. But the real kicker is having Krejci back with Taylor Hall. Hall is becoming a beast again and being on a 2nd line is really suiting him well, in that he is not the center of attention.
- jd250

Hall's on the 3rd line w Coyle, PP2.

Its pure nonsense to state Fletcher has been winging it from day one. Hextall was fired first and foremost because he was not willing to accelerate the rebuild and get this team going. Fletcher came in here and was asked to move things a long. His first off season he brought up Carter Hart to the Flyers, something Hextall was not willing to do, hired a proven NHL coach (AV) and then brought in some experienced players to fill holes, for example Hayes to play 2C given Patrick was not going to be able to play, and Niskinen to play 1D next to Provey. The Hayes signing was clearly an overpay no doubt, but the rest of his moves were good ones. No one who is objective can argue with this. The Flyers were one of the best teams in the league as a result before Covid and ended up 1 game from the final 4. Fletcher the next off season did very little to the team which made sense given the season they just had. Niskinen retiring was a big blow and a hard spot to fill for any GM, a top pairing RHS defenseman. Covid was in full bloom, the team did not handle it well and the next season was a disaster. Fletcher attempted to fix the problem with some more bold moves in the next off season. They obviously did not work out. He took a gamble with Ellis, that blew up in his face. AV lost that room and had to be fired. Couts was out, Hayes was out, the season was a disaster. At this point Fletcher panicked and doubled down, showing way too much faith in the players he had, when clearly it was time to change direction. This is where he lost me. Any rational hockey fan with knowledge cannot dispute these facts!
- jd250

lol

Hall's on the 3rd line w Coyle, PP2.
- Tomahawk

read his last post (above yours) and you will see facts matter little to the 250

Hall's on the 3rd line w Coyle, PP2.
- Tomahawk

Yes that was a recent change, but I expect Hall back with Krejci at some point.

That was weird.
- landros 2

This is the only thing I can think of.


https://www.rollingstone....ports-riley-cote-1367947/


And if so, I'm like, aaand?

Its pure nonsense to state Fletcher has been winging it from day one. Hextall was fired first and foremost because he was not willing to accelerate the rebuild and get this team going. Fletcher came in here and was asked to move things a long. His first off season he brought up Carter Hart to the Flyers, something Hextall was not willing to do, hired a proven NHL coach (AV) and then brought in some experienced players to fill holes, for example Hayes to play 2C given Patrick was not going to be able to play, and Niskinen to play 1D next to Provey. The Hayes signing was clearly an overpay no doubt, but the rest of his moves were good ones. No one who is objective can argue with this. The Flyers were one of the best teams in the league as a result before Covid and ended up 1 game from the final 4. Fletcher the next off season did very little to the team which made sense given the season they just had. Niskinen retiring was a big blow and a hard spot to fill for any GM, a top pairing RHS defenseman. Covid was in full bloom, the team did not handle it well and the next season was a disaster. Fletcher attempted to fix the problem with some more bold moves in the next off season. They obviously did not work out. He took a gamble with Ellis, that blew up in his face. AV lost that room and had to be fired. Couts was out, Hayes was out, the season was a disaster. At this point Fletcher panicked and doubled down, showing way too much faith in the players he had, when clearly it was time to change direction. This is where he lost me. Any rational hockey fan with knowledge cannot dispute these facts!
- jd250

I'll dispute the bolded "fact." Hart was not brought up during Fletcher's first off season unless the middle of December 2018 counts as his first offseason. Fletcher took over from Hextall in the midst of 2018-19 season. Can't comment on any of your other alleged facts as I stopped reading as soon as I saw this one.

I'll dispute the bolded "fact." Hart was not brought up during Fletcher's first off season unless the middle of December 2018 counts as his first offseason. Fletcher took over from Hextall in the midst of 2018-19 season. Can't comment on any of your other alleged facts as I stopped reading as soon as I saw this one.
- Rliable

A wise choice.

I'll dispute the bolded "fact." Hart was not brought up during Fletcher's first off season unless the middle of December 2018 counts as his first offseason. Fletcher took over from Hextall in the midst of 2018-19 season. Can't comment on any of your other alleged facts as I stopped reading as soon as I saw this one.
- Rliable

And I will add it was mid season and ONLY because the Flyers had gone through 6 or 7 goalies and really had no other option.

And I will add it was mid season and ONLY because the Flyers had gone through 6 or 7 goalies and really had no other option.
- MBFlyerfan

Fletcher made one good move. When he traded for Niskanen. That move took advantage of a team that had a cap issue. It was smart and shrewd. The rest of his moves. Not so much. I'm not sure how many times the obvious has to be litigated. To be fair, have to include that Fletcher was mandated to make moves. Doesn't mean you have to make bad moves though. In this league, as soon as you announce that you have to make moves, you are going to take it on the chin. Especially when you aren't very good at your job, as is the case with Fletcher. I have no time for a GM that doesn't have the balls to stand up to management and tell them that they're wrong. That is a yes man and a capitulator to the establishment.

I'm waiting for the day reality sets in, and some fans realize that Fletcher is not going to be able to trade his way out of the mess he has created and move the Flyers problem players. Not without giving up significant future assets that the team can't afford to give up.
- MJL

I watched Chris Therien on a recent podcast. Man is that guy passionate. He simply put “there is nothing to look forward to”.

I'll dispute the bolded "fact." Hart was not brought up during Fletcher's first off season unless the middle of December 2018 counts as his first offseason. Fletcher took over from Hextall in the midst of 2018-19 season. Can't comment on any of your other alleged facts as I stopped reading as soon as I saw this one.
- Rliable

I’m guilty of this. The second someone is factually wrong mid post, I stop reading and only respond to what I saw prior.

This isn’t to say I don’t get things wrong. I’m wrong all the time. This is just how I go forward reading other’s posts.

I am still (honestly) waiting to hear why we should put the term "Cote suite" in the Cote suite.
- MBFlyerfan

Maybe it's his scandalous weed leaf socks

Its pure nonsense to state Fletcher has been winging it from day one. Hextall was fired first and foremost because he was not willing to accelerate the rebuild and get this team going. Fletcher came in here and was asked to move things a long. His first off season he brought up Carter Hart to the Flyers, something Hextall was not willing to do, hired a proven NHL coach (AV) and then brought in some experienced players to fill holes, for example Hayes to play 2C given Patrick was not going to be able to play, and Niskinen to play 1D next to Provey. The Hayes signing was clearly an overpay no doubt, but the rest of his moves were good ones. No one who is objective can argue with this. The Flyers were one of the best teams in the league as a result before Covid and ended up 1 game from the final 4. Fletcher the next off season did very little to the team which made sense given the season they just had. Niskinen retiring was a big blow and a hard spot to fill for any GM, a top pairing RHS defenseman. Covid was in full bloom, the team did not handle it well and the next season was a disaster. Fletcher attempted to fix the problem with some more bold moves in the next off season. They obviously did not work out. He took a gamble with Ellis, that blew up in his face. AV lost that room and had to be fired. Couts was out, Hayes was out, the season was a disaster. At this point Fletcher panicked and doubled down, showing way too much faith in the players he had, when clearly it was time to change direction. This is where he lost me. Any rational hockey fan with knowledge cannot dispute these facts!
- jd250

I don’t doubt he had a plan when he was hired. As you suggest he was hired under that pretence. I’m pretty sure he didn’t walk into the interview and tell them he had no idea what he was going to do…..lol….But some where along the line his decision process got in the way of his plan. You simply can’t make blunder after blunder whether it be a bad trade, a poor signing or is with the case on almost all of his negotiating contracts “an overpayment”.
When the system limits what you can spend you simply can’t afford missteps…and Fletcher continues to make one after the other.

This is the only thing I can think of.


https://www.rollingstone....ports-riley-cote-1367947/


And if so, I'm like, aaand?
- MBFlyerfan

No idea…but as with the case in this new woke society, I do struggle with certain comments from time to time to understand a point of view and where someone is coming from….