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Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Dec 17 @ 7:57 PM ET
Let him revel. He was also right about Phil Myers all along. Years and years of telling anyone who would listen. Let it hang off his chest like a badge of honor.
- SuperSchennBros


Anyone can brag but we can do so without the extra insults.
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Dec 17 @ 8:09 PM ET
What's going on Flyers Buzzards? Just got back in from dinner with the wife. Tied 1=1. How's the game progressing? I did just see what looked like a power play that knows what it's doing.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Dec 17 @ 8:09 PM ET
Great pressure on that PP
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:11 PM ET
Be nice to see Tippet get rewarded tonight. Some nights he really looks like a guy who could really be something good.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Dec 17 @ 8:13 PM ET
That's absolutely embarrassing
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Dec 17 @ 8:14 PM ET
Sanheim with the failed keep and there it goes.. back of net. 2 great PP and nothing to show for it but a goal for the Rags.
rayc16
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 17 @ 8:14 PM ET
Yea, looks like a potential solid player. 6th round, would be nice to get a home grown guy like that as a staple bottom 6.
- ClaudeFather


Their current 1C is a homegrown 5th rounder
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:15 PM ET
Enough Ranger fans to basically be noticeable. Not too embarrassing.
rayc16
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 17 @ 8:17 PM ET
Enough Ranger fans to basically be noticeable. Not too embarrassing.
- landros 2


What isn't embarrassing lately?
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Dec 17 @ 8:20 PM ET
that Jay O'Brien pick looking shaky in comparison to Miller. Hexy drafted a bunch of centers. Too bad it looks like none will be a difference maker.
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Dec 17 @ 8:21 PM ET
Does anyone ever interview the brass at Comcast for their take? Would be an interesting listen for their take on this once proud franchise.

This is so bad, I’m going to a gingerbread house decorating party with my girlfriend tonight!!

Sad times friends!👎🏻

- Hokeeguy9

Godspeed, my friend! I'm sure that your gingerbread house adventure will be more worthwhile than watching this sad sack of a franchise try to play professional hockey.
I'm about to build a house as well with my daughter and I can't wait!

Go flyers (all the way to the bottom)!!
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:21 PM ET
What isn't embarrassing lately?
- rayc16


Haven’t had an 8-1 game in a while
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:23 PM ET
Like who, Hakstol, who played Vandevelde for 78 games
- ClaudeFather



If you remember there was lack of prospects in the system when Hakstol took over. Both Hakstol and Gordon were good development coaches. I made a mistake though. It's 5 coaches. Forgot Yeo.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Dec 17 @ 8:23 PM ET
Hi Torts, flyers even more strapped for talent without LaZy HaZe
rayc16
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 17 @ 8:24 PM ET
Haven’t had an 8-1 game in a while
- Dkos


True.
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Dec 17 @ 8:25 PM ET
Perfect storm really.

An ownership group that doesn't have a clue, advised by men who are more concerned with protecting their legacy along with an asinine identity from 50 years ago.

Tortorella fit their image of what a team should be in 2022, and their displeasure of today's "weak" athlete.
I won't bet against that one vit
A continued refusal to truly commit to a rebuild, built on nothing but arrogance fully on display. It will either be an ownership decision to rid ourselves of the cancers, or more than likely waiting for father time. I'll bet on the latter.

- FlyerFan3260

I won't bet against that at all. The csncer of this franchise is at a stage 4, at this point.
It's eating away at everything here. It's sad to watch a franchise die. My only gone is for the rebirth after the Phoenix turns to ash.
The scary part is thet CF may be taking care of the rebirth, which is terrifying.
Ite not only him, though, it's the entre upper management also above him.

Clean house. Get rid of all of them
.it's the only way forward
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Dec 17 @ 8:25 PM ET
If you remember there was lack of prospects in the system when Hakstol took over. Both Hakstol and Gordon were good development coaches. I made a mistake though. It's 5 coaches. Forgot Yeo.
- MJL

Yahoo Yeo! Was the best of them! Misunderstood, and with a horrible roster to work with.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:26 PM ET
It’s just pure Franking nonsense. All coaches do so for the now. They give young players chances but it’s a short leash. You might see some extended time in March when a team is out of playoff race for good. Torts has given Morgan frost and Tippett significant time this year to sort through it and find their game as well. Along with Cates, you could even say he’s developing him haha
- ClaudeFather


Actually it's injuries that forced Tortorella's hand. Before that, he had Frost playing with scrubs and was overplaying players like McEwen. He's the same coach who had York sent down when he should've been in the NHL the entire time.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:28 PM ET
It wasn't too long ago someone made a post similar to this about you and I told them to keep it on the hockey. You saw the post, commented on it so there no leash for you to do it to someone else.
- Aaron_85


The source is incorrect. Anyone who was around knows that I was completely against the Yandle signing because it meant that York would not make the team. I debated that with numerous posters yet he claims that I wanted Yandle over York.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:32 PM ET
They are trying to win every game I agree. However the development can happen and still try to win every game. I would venture that it depends on who has personnel decisions. Some coaches don't get that power. I remember it being a thing when Babcock came to Toronto that he had all of that power alone. It would suggest some coaches dont.

I do think Torts has that power here. I also find it odd Torts took this job but I guess noone else was calling and he wanted back in the league.
I dont think he's a good development coach.

- Aaron_85


No coach coaches in a game to not win but it's about a balance. It's about the situation a franchise is in. This franchise should have tunnel vision on building for the future. That balance includes putting young players in the right spots for their individual growth. It's not a blanket approach across the board which refutes those who point out individual cases of players who weren't ready for it.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Dec 17 @ 8:35 PM ET
Good old Laugh 😃 ton
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 17 @ 8:35 PM ET
Dave Hakstol played Vandevelde for 160 of the 250 games he played for the the Flyers. Before that he played 28 games over 3 seasons for the Edmonton oilers, all prior to McDavid being drafted. After the Flyers couldn’t justify him playing to the fans anymore and he was forced to seek employment as a professional hockey player for an organization not as stupid as the Flyers, he had to play one season in Liiga, then one season in the EBEL. After that he successfully convinced everyone in organized hockey worldwide how awful he is and has freed us from ever having to watch him play ice hockey ever again. As a Flyers fan I would like to apologize to hockey fans around the world for not being vocal enough in my disgust for the state of the team at the time as well as it’s direction, to force them to jettison Chris Vandevelde from the team.
- Shrike


When Hakstol took over, young players ready to play in the NHL in the organization were few and far between. He had to play vet role players until the prospect base was rebuilt.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Dec 17 @ 8:46 PM ET
My new thought is maybe Torts wants to be fired after seeing management.
That would be funny
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 17 @ 9:09 PM ET
don't be too happy cates everyone scores on jarosuck halak
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Dec 17 @ 9:27 PM ET
Frost solid game
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