So let's recap yesterday:

We saw a player quit the team.
We saw the leading scorer benched.
We saw Atkinson placed on IR putting his season in doubt. (With zero information with what is going on with him) As per usual with this team.
We saw a 17th loss in 20 games.

How would you rate the day? I'd say strong, to quite strong.

At least we can take solace in the Penguins demise. How awful are they?
- PLindbergh31

Add (1) MacEwen did not play, (2) the dreaded 11 F / 7 D line-up

Well after all these years waiting, 16 points in 55 games last year and 11 now in 31 this year, a 0.35 ppg clip is something to be happy about ? If he was a dman I could live with that but he is not. Frost has played in 108 games but has he contributed in more than a dozen of them I ask? We will just have to agree to disagree on him.
- joegreif17

All these years? He has played 108 NHL games! An NHL season is 82 games which means he is essentially a 2nd year player. Hey with all the skill and offensive talent the Flyers have, they have no need to be patient. What is your definition of contributing?

Well after all these years waiting, 16 points in 55 games last year and 11 now in 31 this year, a 0.35 ppg clip is something to be happy about ? If he was a dman I could live with that but he is not. Frost has played in 108 games but has he contributed in more than a dozen of them I ask? We will just have to agree to disagree on him.
- joegreif17

The remainder of the season will be the litmus test for Frost.
Really would like to see him continue blossom,
still firmly planted in belief kid won't figure it out here.

Panarin was definitely Frost's man. However, I believe both defensemen were on the other side of the ice, s often happens with the Flyers, especially our "AHL special of the week"
- mr4tno

It was a controlled breakout and a set play. Part of what Bill talked about. There was a winger on the far boards which drew a defenseman in coverage and the other defenseman has the Ranger carrying the puck through the neutral zone. JVR and Frost had weakside duties.

Whether or not Torts had done an amazing job is up for debate. I’m not disagreeing with you because I’m on the side who agrees he’s done a good job. Even as a bad team we’re not getting blown out in games. Players are being held accountable. During the first half of the season we were getting blown out in shots, now we’re staying with teams in shots but not talented enough to bury our chances. I just wish he’s get out of his own way to terms of the antics. Noah Cates as a first line center and all situations. DeAngelo playing 25 minutes a night, including PK time. Zac MacEwen in the middle six. Nick Seeler not seeing a night off. Two D, one forward 3 on 3. When dealing with the media, some of the in game stuff, fans deserve to know but he won’t answer. It’s really the fans who are the reason he’s rich.
- SuperSchennBros

He may not be perfect but he is the best coach in the league for this group imo. He demands the players are accountable to the best of their ability. He can only instill this with the talent he was given and for that he has accomplished a fair bit. He has brought Hart back to his potential, Konecny and Hayes are striving. Hey I will alway love the Flyers, my den is all Flyers stuff but I hate losing worse than Mike Keenan.

He may not be perfect but he is the best coach in the league for this group imo. He demands the players are accountable to the best of their ability. He can only instill this with the talent he was given and for that he has accomplished a fair bit. He has brought Hart back to his potential, Konecny and Hayes are striving. Hey I will alway love the Flyers, my den is all Flyers stuff but I hate losing worse than Mike Keenan.
- joegreif17

In my opinion, Tortorella has done a mediocre job this season. He is an archaic coach with archaic methods and outdated strategy that over relies on intangibles such as hard work and accountability and over relies on players with no future.

All these years? He has played 108 NHL games! An NHL season is 82 games which means he is essentially a 2nd year player. Hey with all the skill and offensive talent the Flyers have, they have no need to be patient. What is your definition of contributing?
- MJL

For a projected high end offensive player 0.35 ppg is not contributing. Not arguing but stating my opinion, that is all. I am entitled to that. It still bothers me Schenn has been gone five years and won a cup and still puts up decent points, plays the body and still going strong. We got nothing!

For a projected high end offensive player 0.35 ppg is not contributing. Not arguing but stating my opinion, that is all. I am entitled to that. It still bothers me Schenn has been gone five years and won a cup and still puts up decent points, plays the body and still going strong. We got nothing!
- joegreif17

Where are you getting this high end offensive player projection from? He was a late first round pick. I would disagree that Farabee and Frost is nothing.

In my opinion, Tortorella has done a mediocre job this season. He is an archaic coach with archaic methods and outdated strategy that over relies on intangibles such as hard work and accountability and over relies on players with no future.
- MJL

That is laughable because going toe to toe with other teams based on talent the Flyers would be blown out nightly. Not to mention Carter Hart would be hung out to dry and his career ruined. Torts has established a team game and make Hart have a chance to stop pucks. Last year Hart lost everything but his underwear, the scoring chances against him were all high danger scoring chances giving him no support. Thank you Torts for saving Carter.

That is laughable because going toe to toe with other teams based on talent the Flyers would be blown out nightly. Not to mention Carter Hart would be hung out to dry and his career ruined. Torts has established a team game and make Hart have a chance to stop pucks. Last year Hart lost everything but his underwear, the scoring chances against him were all high danger scoring chances giving him no support. Thank you Torts for saving Carter.
- joegreif17

So, you're telling me that Carter Hart is not being hung out to dry? I have news for you. The Flyers are one of the worst defensive teams in the league as well as one of the worst offensive teams in the league. There is no evidence of what you are implying. Care to look at the actual evidence?

Where are you getting this high end offensive player projection from? He was a late first round pick. I would disagree that Farabee and Frost is nothing.
- MJL

We are talking about Frost, not Farabee. Frost was an elite scorer in junior so he should have been projected a scorer and not a checker.

We are talking about Frost, not Farabee. Frost was an elite scorer in junior so he should have been projected a scorer and not a checker.
- joegreif17

You brought up the Schenn trade and said we got nothing. Farabee was part of the Schenn trade. Frost isn't a checker but there is a difference between a scorer and a high end scorer. If he was projected to be a high end scorer. He would've went much higher in the 1st round.

So, you're telling me that Carter Hart is not being hung out to dry? I have news for you. The Flyers are one of the worst defensive teams in the league as well as one of the worst offensive teams in the league. There is no evidence of what you are implying. Care to look at the actual evidence?
- MJL

Last year you could have drove a zamboni down the center of the ice and scored. Hart faced two on ones, three on ones and eventually could not stop a beach ball as his confidence was shot. You have to remember DeAngelo is playing 25 a game and he is liability for goals against. We could argue all day and I have not the time to bicker with you because everyone knows you will argue that black is blue and so on. Have a great day and I wish nothing but the best for Frost and the Flyers.

You brought up the Schenn trade and said we got nothing. Farabee was part of the Schenn trade. Frost isn't a checker but there is a difference between a scorer and a high end scorer. If he was projected to be a high end scorer. He would've went much higher in the 1st round.
- MJL

He would have gone much higher if he wasn't a soft midget. Scouts did not see the intangibles required to be a top end players at the nhl level.

Last year you could have drove a zamboni down the center of the ice and scored. Hart faced two on ones, three on ones and eventually could not stop a beach ball as his confidence was shot. You have to remember DeAngelo is playing 25 a game and he is liability for goals against. We could argue all day and I have not the time to bicker with you because everyone knows you will argue that black is blue and so on. Have a great day and I wish nothing but the best for Frost and the Flyers.
- joegreif17

What I will argue is the facts rather than anecdotal evidence that doesn't add up.

The Flyers rank 29th in CA/60. 26th in SCA/60 and 26th in HDCA/60 in the league. They're one of the worst defensive teams in the league and the only reason their GA/G ranks where it does is because of Carter Hart.

He would have gone much higher if he wasn't a soft midget. Scouts did not see the intangibles required to be a top end players at the nhl level.
- joegreif17

Intangibles have little to do with draft rankings. It's about skill and talent.

So, you're telling me that Carter Hart is not being hung out to dry? I have news for you. The Flyers are one of the worst defensive teams in the league as well as one of the worst offensive teams in the league. There is no evidence of what you are implying. Care to look at the actual evidence?
- MJL

I will tell you one thing, if I ever needed a defence lawyer you are hired. Hats off to you for being an ornery, argumentive, and an awful person to argue with even if your wrong. Take that as a compliment, lol We disagree on Frost but Farabee I still have high hopes for. When I mentioned Schenn I was not evaluating the trade, I was stating how much I missed him and still do. Ironically my two fav teams are the Blues and Stars. I essentially traded out all my top six flyers and now own both top sixes on both those teams plus Oettinger and Binnington. Binnington drives me nuts but nothing on these teams compares to Philly. Life is short and I enjoy watching winners and hopefully my Flyers will return but not likely in my lifetime.

He would have gone much higher if he wasn't a soft midget. Scouts did not see the intangibles required to be a top end players at the nhl level.
- joegreif17

Soft midget is not the proper nomenclature Dude.

Squishy Height Challenged Canadian.

Intangibles have little to do with draft rankings. It's about skill and talent.
- MJL

You just proved you know nothing about what scouts look for. Aside from skill the biggest intangible is how they play the body and how they react to physical play. Physical and mental toughness as a junior or college player goes a long way into the drafting process. They will take a 100 points players with 100 minutes of penalties over a 100 point players with 0 minutes in a heartbeat. Wow, I played the game and sadly I know this by experience. Being a big guy and an elite scorer I was not a scrapper. When the Rangers scouted me that was their only concern was that I would be pushed around. No money in hockey in 1970 and it turned out to be a great decision on a logging career instead as I have been retired for 16 years and still in great shape at 72. Sorry for the rant but you can't be skilled and play without being tough as well. That is an intangible.

Soft midget is not the proper nomenclature Dude.

Squishy Height Challenged Canadian.
- konalover711

Lol, my bad. He is not your typical canadian hockey player, haha He belongs at Wendy's with all the other Frosty's

I'm trying to match the level of the team. I'm afraid that may be impossible.
- PLindbergh31

When the team was good, you were obsessed with Craig Anderson. You matching anything is impossible.

Soft midget is not the proper nomenclature Dude.

Squishy Height Challenged Canadian.
- konalover711

What does being Canadian have to do with anything?

You just proved you know nothing about what scouts look for. Aside from skill the biggest intangible is how they play the body and how they react to physical play. My god I never knew you were this clueless. Physical and mental toughness as a junior or college player goes a long way into the drafting process. They will take a 100 points players with 100 minutes of penalties over a 100 point players with 0 minutes in a heartbeat. Wow, I played the game and sadly I know this by experience. Being a big guy and an elite scorer I was not a scrapper. When the Rangers scouted me that was their only concern was that I would be pushed around. No money in hockey in 1970 and it turned out to be a great decision on a logging career instead as I have been retired for 16 years and still in great shape at 72. Sorry for the rant but you can't be skilled and play without being tough as well. That is an intangible.
- joegreif17

The freaking combine is all intangibles, including Psychological profiles, talk about intangible.

But intangibles have nothing to do with draft ranking. LOL

What does being Canadian have to do with anything?
- SuperSchennBros

He was born in Canada which would you know, make him a Canadian.

So your sensitivity to alarm bells don't go off, Francis (Stripes)
very inside reference to the Big Lebowski.

Bill Meltzer: Wrap: Flyers Lose to Rangers, 6-3; Phantoms Lose 2-1 in OT to P-Bruins
- bmeltzer

If you are a glutton for punishment the game is being re-aired on the NHL Network right now