They might because it is like basically starting over because the previous bonehead GM accomplished nothing. But that would take getting understanding fans who realize starting over takes a decent amount of time to rebuild prospect pool & put together a team. Kind of like
Gauthier
York
Desnoyers
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Andrea
- Fopa21

if Fletcher was rebuilding, why he trade a 1st round pick and two high 2nds?

Have they announced hart done for year yet??

The Flyers finished 29th last season and are in 28th place right now. Please tell me the last time they had two seasons that bad in a row, because it was not 10 years ago. And to make matters worse they traded away multiple high value draft picks.
- Feanor

The current situation is horrific. CF has taken all of the Flyers organizational bad habits and multiplied them by 100. But this is how the Flyers org has operated since the cap was implemented. Always reacting and minimalizing the value of draft picks. Overpaying to acquire and signing middling players to long term deals to close holes they created. This has been going on for more than a decade.

if Fletcher was rebuilding, why he trade a 1st round pick and two high 2nds?
- Feanor

He was trying to retool be competitive but also make solid draft choices & create a prospect pool. It was a different philosophy than St Ronie who preached patience, drafting & development which we see those results now, garbage. Yet he signed a veteran JVR to ridiculous contract & wasted G Jake Simmer in their primes. Chuck was left holding a flaming bag of poop. He has his own faults as well. Definitely bad at extensions sanheim laughton come to mind but he’s proven to be solid at drafting & in a few more years whether he is here or not the Flyers will be a much better team due to his draft picks which is far more than we can say about crapstall

The love fest the flyers exude for cates is approaching amac proportions

The love fest the flyers exude for cates is approaching amac proportions
- Just5

Cates is a solid defensive forward. The issue is Tortorella is forcing him to play out of position and in the wrong role.

He was trying to retool be competitive but also make solid draft choices & create a prospect pool. It was a different philosophy than St Ronie who preached patience, drafting & development which we see those results now, garbage. Yet he signed a veteran JVR to ridiculous contract & wasted G Jake Simmer in their primes. Chuck was left holding a flaming bag of poop. He has his own faults as well. Definitely bad at extensions sanheim laughton come to mind but he’s proven to be solid at drafting & in a few more years whether he is here or not the Flyers will be a much better team due to his draft picks which is far more than we can say about crapstall
- Fopa21

Still waiting for any of Fletcher's draft picks to have anywhere near the impact that Hart, Provy and TK had early on.

I'd prefer they still had their 2023 2nd which will be around 36th overall. But it was traded, along with the 14th overall pick in 2021, for a 3rd pair dman with 1 point in 28 games.

https://www.capfriendly.c...layers/rasmus-ristolainen

Fletcher also traded the 36th overall pick in 2022 to make room for Risto.

https://www.capfriendly.c...ayers/shayne-gostisbehere
- Feanor

So not having a 2nd round pick is something new for the Flyers? When the Flyers did select in the 2nd round, how has that worked for them? How is Laberge doing these days? Look, I wish the Flyers' brass came to the conclusion much sooner this franchise needed to rebuild and kept their draft picks instead of trying to get Risto or DeAngelo, but they didn't. I do feel with Torts on board that they finally have accepted this, otherwise Torts would not be speaking about a rebuild from the footings as much as he has recently.

Still waiting for any of Fletcher's draft picks to have anywhere near the impact that Hart, Provy and TK had early on.
- Tomahawk

Honestly, all you can do is laugh. St. Ronnie, the dead giveaway.

When the Flyers did select in the 2nd round, how has that worked for them?
- jd250

So not having a 2nd round pick is something new for the Flyers? When the Flyers did select in the 2nd round, how has that worked for them? How is Laberge doing these days? Look, I wish the Flyers' brass came to the conclusion much sooner this franchise needed to rebuild and kept their draft picks instead of trying to get Risto or DeAngelo, but they didn't. I do feel with Torts on board that they finally have accepted this, otherwise Torts would not be speaking about a rebuild from the footings as much as he has recently.
- jd250

Logically, does the lack of success of past 2nd round selections change the idea that as a team that needs to add young talent, the Flyers should be using their draft picks as opposed to trading them? So how does your Laberge comment make sense?

Do you honestly believe that Tortorella has come in and completely changed the organization's beliefs and philosophies? If so, what evidence is there of that?

The Flyers need young skilled stars, so they need to draft those. To draft those players the team needs to lose. So the team is losing.

So what the (frank) do you want? A new GM is going to come in and trade everyone to bring in superstars? I want to meet that new GM.
- Glak18

I want Fletcher out too but he’s not going anywhere. At least not for the reasons people want him out for.

I criticize Provorov all the time, and would like to see him traded so York can play the left side in the top 4.

That doesn't alter the fact that Fletcher's record as Flyers GM is atrocious.
- Feanor

Yikes

Still waiting for any of Fletcher's draft picks to have anywhere near the impact that Hart, Provy and TK had early on.
- Tomahawk

Amen. Hextall went absolutely out of his way to get Konency the year we drafted him.

For all the Risto bashers & the Provy apologists. Risto has just 1 less goal than provy & a better plus minus
- Fopa21

I love Provorov. He’s my guy but of the two on the top pair, I feel like Risto has looked like the better player defensively of the two since being put together. Maybe Provorov has been forced to do too much with what he has to work with but that’s something Provy needs to workout.

in other good news

Pens lost after being up 4-0, go Wings and the Ducks won

Logically, does the lack of success of past 2nd round selections change the idea that as a team that needs to add young talent, the Flyers should be using their draft picks as opposed to trading them? So how does your Laberge comment make sense?

Do you honestly believe that Tortorella has come in and completely changed the organization's beliefs and philosophies? If so, what evidence is there of that?
- MJL

Everything in the past is over, those picks don’t mean anything. We need to add the young talent with as many picks as possible. That’s the only way out of this. It’s going to be a long long road.

Hahaha. Hextall left ZERO prospects & aging veterans that he didn’t want to build around because he wanted to be patient & build through the draft, which he failed miserably at, & waste prime years of players here.
- Fopa21

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Here we go again with the alternate reality crap. Do you ever come on here and not blame Hextall for everything that is wrong in your life?

Highly rated farm system, an ok core and a ton of cap space. Other than not having elite talent in the farm system (no dispute that Hextall missed on getting elite talent) the Flyers had a good base to build on and a ton of assets for the next GM to take the team to the next level. Let's not forget that Couterier was one of those vets you complain about and that it was Fletcher who just signed Couterier to an 8 year contract.

Has everything panned out that way? No. Flyers player development sucks and Fletch sacrificed every asset he could for short term fixes which have blown up in his face at every turn.

Hextall made mistakes but he's still a much better GM than Chuck.

Everything in the past is over, those picks don’t mean anything. We need to add the young talent with as many picks as possible. That’s the only way out of this. It’s going to be a long long road.
- ClaudeFather

7 year’s minimum

Still waiting for any of Fletcher's draft picks to have anywhere near the impact that Hart, Provy and TK had early on.
- Tomahawk

They were playing w G Jake Simmer Niskanen Couts etc. York is playing w seeler. Gauthier will be up next season

Everything in the past is over, those picks don’t mean anything. We need to add the young talent with as many picks as possible. That’s the only way out of this. It’s going to be a long long road.
- ClaudeFather

Yes and no. We’ve had young talent. We’ve had picks. Nolan Patrick, Travis Konency, Ivan Provorov, Carter Hart, Joel Farabee, Morgan Frost, Felix Sandstrom, Travis Sanheim, Jay O’Brien and Cam York have been here all along. It’s about who we pick and how we develop them.

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Here we go again with the alternate reality crap. Do you ever come on here and not blame Hextall for everything that is wrong in your life?

Highly rated farm system, an ok core and a ton of cap space. Other than not having elite talent in the farm system (no dispute that Hextall missed on getting elite talent) the Flyers had a good base to build on and a ton of assets for the next GM to take the team to the next level. Let's not forget that Couterier was one of those vets you complain about and that it was Fletcher who just signed Couterier to an 8 year contract.

Has everything panned out that way? No. Flyers player development sucks and Fletch sacrificed every asset he could for short term fixes which have blown up in his face at every turn.

Hextall made mistakes but he's still a much better GM than Chuck.
- Flyers_01

It's not a difficult analysis.

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Here we go again with the alternate reality crap. Do you ever come on here and not blame Hextall for everything that is wrong in your life?

Highly rated farm system, an ok core and a ton of cap space. Other than not having elite talent in the farm system (no dispute that Hextall missed on getting elite talent) the Flyers had a good base to build on and a ton of assets for the next GM to take the team to the next level. Let's not forget that Couterier was one of those vets you complain about and that it was Fletcher who just signed Couterier to an 8 year contract.

Has everything panned out that way? No. Flyers player development sucks and Fletch sacrificed every asset he could for short term fixes which have blown up in his face at every turn.

Hextall made mistakes but he's still a much better GM than Chuck.
- Flyers_01

It’s one thing to have a highly rated farm system at the time of rating. It’s another for them to actually pan out. The guy who bagged my groceries this morning was once a highly rated prospect at the time.
Ratcliff
Rubestov
Myers
Patrick
NAK
Friedman
Laberge
O’Brien

Do I need to continue

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Here we go again with the alternate reality crap. Do you ever come on here and not blame Hextall for everything that is wrong in your life?

Highly rated farm system, an ok core and a ton of cap space. Other than not having elite talent in the farm system (no dispute that Hextall missed on getting elite talent) the Flyers had a good base to build on and a ton of assets for the next GM to take the team to the next level. Let's not forget that Couterier was one of those vets you complain about and that it was Fletcher who just signed Couterier to an 8 year contract.

Has everything panned out that way? No. Flyers player development sucks and Fletch sacrificed every asset he could for short term fixes which have blown up in his face at every turn.

Hextall made mistakes but he's still a much better GM than Chuck.
- Flyers_01

Bravo on this post.

But the ignorant will always remain ignorant.

Cates is a solid defensive forward. The issue is Tortorella is forcing him to play out of position and in the wrong role.
- MJL

the whole point of a player like Cates staying in this lineup is that he should be versatile. We have to coddle Cates now?