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Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Dec 29 @ 6:21 PM ET
Luke Hughes is apparently the best of the Hughes brothers. Watching the US/Swiss game and he looks like he has a chance to be a generational defenseman. Of course, he will be joining the Devils soon. Looking forward to getting pummeled by the Devils for the next 5 years.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Dec 29 @ 6:39 PM ET
Luke Hughes is apparently the best of the Hughes brothers. Watching the US/Swiss game and he looks like he has a chance to be a generational defenseman. Of course, he will be joining the Devils soon. Looking forward to getting pummeled by the Devils for the next 5 years.
- Phillywhiteout

5? Gonna be more than that
rayc16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Free Frosty
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 29 @ 6:57 PM ET
No. I’m not saying he is great. He definitely has his flaws but he has a track record of being a much better drafter than Hextall.

Hextall announced be patient then signed JVR ro an absurd 7 year deal. Wasted his “top llayers” prime years sitting on his hands like a stubborn sob. Signed chris vandevelde & etc 4 line bums. Risto has 1 less goal than proby & a better plus minus so Hexy must be an idiot for signing him. Most GMs do the same thing. Hexy & CF not much difference except CF might actually hit on his draft picks.

- Fopa21


That’s not accurate.
If Chuck would have singed Hayes to a 5 year contract, they’d only have one more year left.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Dec 29 @ 6:59 PM ET
A guy that will never play an NHL game and a potential backup, congrats on that victory lap 😂
- ClaudeFather

What do you think my point was? Jay O’Brien is one of our former first round picks. You think Hextall drafted O’Brien in the first round not expecting him to be an impact player for us?

You want more and more picks. My point is, it doesn’t matter how many picks we get, if we aren’t developing these players properly.


Sheesh, I thought this was clear…
Flyerfan2868
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 02.15.2013

Dec 29 @ 6:59 PM ET
Luke Hughes is apparently the best of the Hughes brothers. Watching the US/Swiss game and he looks like he has a chance to be a generational defenseman. Of course, he will be joining the Devils soon. Looking forward to getting pummeled by the Devils for the next 5 years.
- Phillywhiteout


The Devils don't just have Hughes, they have Nemec coming up on D for them as well!
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Dec 29 @ 7:01 PM ET
These conversations sound super familiar as a leaf fan. I can only say it gets better once the management figures out a game plan and lets the fans in on it.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 7:05 PM ET
The Devils don't just have Hughes, they have Nemec coming up on D for them as well!
- Flyerfan2868



They're going to be a handful for a while.
rayc16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Free Frosty
Joined: 06.29.2006

Dec 29 @ 7:07 PM ET
These conversations sound super familiar as a leaf fan. I can only say it gets better once the management figures out a game plan and lets the fans in on it.
- Aaron_85


I think that’s what causes the frustration here. They have no semblance of a plan.

“Aggressive retool” to a “stabilization year” in a matter of months, wasting picks on stupid moves…..
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Dec 29 @ 7:11 PM ET
I think that’s what causes the frustration here. They have no semblance of a plan.

“Aggressive retool” to a “stabilization year” in a matter of months, wasting picks on stupid moves…..

- rayc16


yeah I agree with that frustrations. If they pick a direction then at least people can see where the team is headed and people are more patient then.
Wingdestroyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.27.2020

Dec 29 @ 7:13 PM ET
They're going to be a handful for a while.
- MJL


We are legit in year ONE of FIVE to get to where the Devils are now. Frustrating

They had some lottery luck but they apparently nailed it. It’s gonna have to be a bum out few years to collect similar assets. Good players like TK, Provy, and Farabee will need to be leveraged into future assets as well……let’s just all promise to stay best friends until we’re back in it in 2026-2027 gang
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 7:22 PM ET
We are legit in year ONE of FIVE to get to where the Devils are now. Frustrating

They had some lottery luck but they apparently nailed it. It’s gonna have to be a bum out few years to collect similar assets. Good players like TK, Provy, and Farabee will need to be leveraged into future assets as well……let’s just all promise to stay best friends until we’re back in it in 2026-2027 gang

- Wingdestroyer


Five is best case scenario.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Dec 29 @ 7:29 PM ET
We are legit in year ONE of FIVE to get to where the Devils are now. Frustrating

They had some lottery luck but they apparently nailed it. It’s gonna have to be a bum out few years to collect similar assets. Good players like TK, Provy, and Farabee will need to be leveraged into future assets as well……let’s just all promise to stay best friends until we’re back in it in 2026-2027 gang

- Wingdestroyer


Gauthier needs to solidify a top 6 role in the NHL. The Patrick situation was devastating. Would the near future look quite as bleak if a Hischier type talent had been acquired with the second overall pick? These next 45 games are important for York. Can he solidify a top 4 role going into next season? This pick coming up in the top 10 has to be impactful. With the way the prospects are ranked now, pretty much guaranteed to be a forward. This pick has to he closer to a TK level impact or better.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 7:36 PM ET
Gauthier needs to solidify a top 6 role in the NHL. The Patrick situation was devastating. Would the near future look quite as bleak if a Hischier type talent had been acquired with the second overall pick? These next 45 games are important for York. Can he solidify a top 4 role going into next season? This pick coming up in the top 10 has to be impactful. With the way the prospects are ranked now, pretty much guaranteed to be a forward. This pick has to he closer to a TK level impact or better.
- Trox88



Konecny is a good player but not a player that is going to elevate a team. Flyers need elite players. Getting a Konecny type player with a top 10 pick would be disappointing.
Wingdestroyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.27.2020

Dec 29 @ 8:13 PM ET
Konecny is a good player but not a player that is going to elevate a team. Flyers need elite players. Getting a Konecny type player with a top 10 pick would be disappointing.
- MJL


Yeah. Over the next few years we gotta get a couple big time players.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Dec 29 @ 8:37 PM ET
I'm saying that effort is not this team's issue. It wasn't last year, and it isn't this year.
- MJL


Agreed. My post was tongue in cheek.
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Dec 29 @ 9:05 PM ET
How did cutter do today?! I saw both of his line mates getting praise on different blogs but no mention about Gauthier. How did he do?
Wingdestroyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.27.2020

Dec 29 @ 9:43 PM ET
How did cutter do today?! I saw both of his line mates getting praise on different blogs but no mention about Gauthier. How did he do?
- Bob Habib


A couple secondary assists. He’s been involved but doesn’t seem to be around the net as much as Snuggarude and Cooley.

Has a couple posts that I’ve seen on some nice shots over the past few games
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Dec 29 @ 9:55 PM ET
Konecny is a good player but not a player that is going to elevate a team. Flyers need elite players. Getting a Konecny type player with a top 10 pick would be disappointing.
- MJL


I dont really look at draft boards but are there some centers projected for 5 to 10? I would take centers over anything else for the moment. Maybe a RHD.

Again, could start the rebuild if they decide to sell off expiring contracts at the deadline as they should. Depth picks/prospects would be able to make an impact when the team is ready for next step, like Detroit.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Dec 29 @ 9:57 PM ET
Five is best case scenario.
- MJL


I dont think its outrageous to be in a good position by then. Philly is an organization with some money and some history. Players would want to go there if they were better. Similar to Hamilton to NJ or Panarin to Rangers.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Dec 29 @ 10:08 PM ET
I do hope Coots gets back on the ice before the end of the seaason. Missing almost 2 seasons would be a tough hill to.climb next season.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Dec 29 @ 10:11 PM ET
isles vs Jackets, wow hard to watch. After watching I can say the Flyers will not catch the jackets, just bad hockey. Johnny G looks dis interested
Wingdestroyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.27.2020

Dec 29 @ 10:16 PM ET
isles vs Jackets, wow hard to watch. After watching I can say the Flyers will not catch the jackets, just bad hockey. Johnny G looks dis interested
- wcorvette


Might not be a lost cause in Johnny Hockey!! Perhaps if we make the right moves and Columbus does not….when we’re ready to make a run we can trade for him lol
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Dec 29 @ 10:39 PM ET
lol this will be an interesting game
Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Dec 29 @ 10:41 PM ET
A couple secondary assists. He’s been involved but doesn’t seem to be around the net as much as Snuggarude and Cooley.

Has a couple posts that I’ve seen on some nice shots over the past few games

- Wingdestroyer

Thank you for the update! I really appreciate it!
I'm hoping he lights it up any game now but he is a Flyer, so... meh. Let's hope he does well!
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Dec 29 @ 10:41 PM ET
Torts' need to assert dominance is frankly kinda sad.

He's like the dog at the park that does nothing but hump other dogs in the face, cuz he's insecure about pack order.


I don't think it's about dominance. Granted, his methods are rough, but what did we want to happen with this hire ? Anything less than this nuclear option and this team has proven over and over the last several years that they don't play hard enough, make too many mental mistakes and have lapses at key times in the game (slow starts or poor finishes). Ultimately, they've marginalized good coaches in the past.
So they haven't reached the promised land yet, but this team plays better than last year. They win more puck battles, don't implode when down a couple of goals and are doing what was needed in a year when they won't compete. They needed to find out which players to keep for the long haul. I think Torts is finding out. Did anyone think Hayes was going to be one of them ? Has he shown the tendency to be consistent or a defensive presence over his entire career ? Torts has unlocked a few players. TK has upped his game a full level, is now playing like a leader. York was sent down to be groomed in the minors and has returned to be a reliable d man. Laughton is a leader now too. His work ethic illustrates this and is getting results. Never thought I'd hear myself say it, but Frost is starting to emerge as a productive player. (He still has a ways to go) Tippet has improved his corsi & productivity. These are all positives in a lost season. I had trouble watching the games for a while, but with the above player improvements and Hart standing on his head, some of the games are watchable. That is saying something. I just hope they don't make more stupid moves in the off season to neutralize this progress.

- BluehorseShoe64

Great analysis Mr. Sigmund Freud
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