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landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 30 @ 9:24 AM ET
I like Ersson's game. I know his debut wasn't a peach, but he seems sound positionally and looks pretty athletic. Give him a shot!
- Phillywhiteout


I think he has a chance to be a very good NHL goalie….he needs to stay healthy and play.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Dec 30 @ 9:25 AM ET
Karlsson was fantastic last night. His level of play is at a ridiculous level. TK is playing at an elite level this season, no caveats.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Dec 30 @ 9:29 AM ET
Karlsson was fantastic tonight. His level of play is at a ridiculous level. TK is playing at an elite level this season, no caveats.
- Trox88
I really thought back in the day that TK had the ability to be captain material. Perhaps he is growing up and coming to that realization after all. He seems thoroughly engaged every night and it's good to see.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Dec 30 @ 9:39 AM ET
I really thought back in the day that TK had the ability to be captain material. Perhaps he is growing up and coming to that realization after all. He seems thoroughly engaged every night and it's good to see.
- Phillywhiteout


Plays in all situations. He generates a lot of offense. I think he definitely deserves a letter on the jersey. He's pretty much playing with a center who is learning the position at even strength. Not dumping on Cates, just shows hoe TK has been.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 30 @ 10:15 AM ET
I really thought back in the day that TK had the ability to be captain material. Perhaps he is growing up and coming to that realization after all. He seems thoroughly engaged every night and it's good to see.
- Phillywhiteout


He's taken on the responsibility of being The Guy on the team.
Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Dec 30 @ 10:19 AM ET
It would depend on my team and the draft. Would TK get a top 5 pick this year without a bigger package put together? The probability is almost zero. If i had a had a 8-10 pick would i pick a sure thing NHL player? Depending on the players available yes, i would.
There is no way to know if TK could get a upper end top ten pick. CF would never do that. If Nashville called and offered their 1st round pick for TK i would haggle a bit but i wouldn't push my luck.
Not every top ten pick becomes an all star.
Strome and Zacha in Tk's draft year are an example of players that most likely drop out of the top ten if that draft is done in hindsight.
So to summarize i'm not saying trading TK gets you a top ten pick. I'm saying it's not a far fetched possibility.

- bird_dog_pa



Could TK fetch a top 10 selection…possibly. He’s got an above average skill set and the ability to score 25-30 goals a season while being under long term contract. A bunch of unknown variable would ultimately dictate a potential market for him…number of bidders, pool of quality players available, CF’s competence in negotiating, etc. There’s little doubt he’d draw interest from a contending team though a later first round pick in any deal would be a given. Whether they should trade him is another matter entirely.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Dec 30 @ 10:28 AM ET
Bedard with 14 pts in 3 WJC games.... at 17 years old in a U20 tourney.


- Tomahawk


He's going to look great in a Hawks sweater.
Is there any big hulking dmen projects in the draft?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 30 @ 10:29 AM ET
Could TK fetch a top 10 selection…possibly. He’s got an above average skill set and the ability to score 25-30 goals a season while being under long term contract. A bunch of unknown variable would ultimately dictate a potential market for him…number of bidders, pool of quality players available, CF’s competence in negotiating, etc.
- Sublime55


The real question is why? Still a fairly young player. Pretty much our best player. Beyond the top 5 guys your trading for a pick that hopefully turns into a TK by 25. If that was going to happen with a player like TK then it probably would have happened last summer. I don’t see the logic of any non playoff team trading a potential Bedard lottery ticket when a ping pong ball could land you the next generational player….maybe at the draft? If a team really likes him and feels he’s a good fit for a young core already in place?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 30 @ 10:37 AM ET
i don't usually like stuff like this for a comparable but....for some scope:

Austin Matthews: 11 points in 7 games at the WJC before being drafted.
Connor Mcdavid: 11 points in 7 games at the WJC before being drafted.
Jack Hughes: 4 points in 4 games at the WJC before being drafted
Patrick Kane: 9 points in 7 games at the WJC before being drafted
Sidney Crosby: 9 points in 6 games at the WJC before being drafted

Connor Bedard: 14 points in 3 games at the WJC before being drafted.

- Wingdestroyer


Eye popping numbers. What is the competition? kazakstan lol
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Dec 30 @ 10:37 AM ET
He's going to look great in a Hawks sweater.
Is there any big hulking dmen projects in the draft?

- PLindbergh31


Gary Bettman will make sure his pet franchise in Arizona will get Bedard. I suppose Chicago is a strong candidate for the ping pong balls, but rest-assured, it’s not gonna be the Flyers.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Dec 30 @ 10:37 AM ET
I like Ersson's game. I know his debut wasn't a peach, but he seems sound positionally and looks pretty athletic. Give him a shot!
- Phillywhiteout


I saw the first two periods. Ersson made quite a bit of tough saves. The glove save he had in the 2nd on the Sharks PP was nasty.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Dec 30 @ 10:37 AM ET
He's going to look great in a Hawks sweater.
Is there any big hulking dmen projects in the draft?

- PLindbergh31


Or how about a winger we can turn into a center because flyers?
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Dec 30 @ 10:39 AM ET
Plays in all situations. He generates a lot of offense. I think he definitely deserves a letter on the jersey. He's pretty much playing with a center who is learning the position at even strength. Not dumping on Cates, just shows hoe TK has been.
- Trox88


I don't want to downplay the guy's season, but the reason he "plays in all situations " specifically the PK is the Atkinson injury.
Wingdestroyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.27.2020

Dec 30 @ 10:41 AM ET
He's going to look great in a Hawks sweater.
Is there any big hulking dmen projects in the draft?

- PLindbergh31


maybe the hockey gods are right and just gods....would be a fun thing to see Chicago get the worst record and have that O&B "P" card get shown with the number 1 pick, right in front of them.

at this point, it's all just dumb luck for those 3 bad bad bad teams. it's crazy to see the odds of even the worst team getting number 1.

PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Dec 30 @ 10:42 AM ET
Gary Bettman will make sure his pet franchise in Arizona will get Bedard. I suppose Chicago is a strong candidate for the ping pong balls, but rest-assured, it’s not gonna be the Flyers.
- mikeyo27


Nope. Phoenix won't get him. Flyers zero chance. Hawks original 6 team, will be losing Kane at trade deadline. Bedard will be a Blackhawk.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Dec 30 @ 10:43 AM ET
Or how about a winger we can turn into a center because flyers?
- Just5


Remember the Morin experiment moving him to wing?
Wingdestroyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.27.2020

Dec 30 @ 10:47 AM ET
He's going to look great in a Hawks sweater.
Is there any big hulking dmen projects in the draft?

- PLindbergh31


also, this isn't a Dman draft. anyone picking in the top 10 are getting forwards.

they be good tho! if the Flyers end up in the 5-7 range there are some VERY skilled, albeit flawed, prospects that could become game changers. the biggest drama of the draft, after the ping pong balls are picked, is going to be how far Michkov falls. he's the x factor i think.

dude isn't Bedard, but there are a bunch of people online who watch a lot of KHL that are calling people completely insane for suggesting Fantilli is a lock at number 2. even with his dip in production and move to another league, the guy is magic with the puck. his brain is apparently Kucherov-esque. who cares if he doesn't play defense!

full transparency....i don't watch a lot of Russian league hockey. i only scope the tournaments. but there is still chatter on this guy
Wingdestroyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.27.2020

Dec 30 @ 10:52 AM ET
Nope. Phoenix won't get him. Flyers zero chance. Hawks original 6 team, will be losing Kane at trade deadline. Bedard will be a Blackhawk.
- PLindbergh31



i know the Flyers have had terrible luck....but let's say, for arguments' sake, there IS some "assistance" given to certain teams in times like this. wouldn't the Flyers be next in line?

Bettman saves the sinking Pens with Crosby
Bettman resurrects Original 6 Blackhawks with Kane
Bettman guides the Big, Bad Bruins back to the Cup
Bettman replants the best hockey player in the game to Edmonton
Bettman provides the one of the biggest hockey markets with Matthews
Bettman oversees a close to OG 6 classic team like the Blues to their first cup in 50 years
Bettman assures Big Market Rangers with high lottery picks

WHENS GONNA BE MY TIME LORD!??? WHENS GONNA BE MY TIME!!???
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Dec 30 @ 10:53 AM ET
I don't want to downplay the guy's season, but the reason he "plays in all situations " specifically the PK is the Atkinson injury.
- Pelle31Forever


Ok, so do you believe Atkinson returns next season, TK is off the PK and PP1? Would Atkinson be more likely to replace Brown, Delaurais, on the PK before TK? I look at it as seizing the opportunity. Atkinson hasn't played with lesser center quality then TK this season. I
see your point, I guess I'm trying to determine if TK is a foundational piece who should still be here when the team gets back into contention. His contract is up in 2 yrs.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 30 @ 10:59 AM ET
Nope. Phoenix won't get him. Flyers zero chance. Hawks original 6 team, will be losing Kane at trade deadline. Bedard will be a Blackhawk.
- PLindbergh31


Never count the Pens out of a lottery drawing 🤣
Dave21Brown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 12.09.2018

Dec 30 @ 10:59 AM ET
i know the Flyers have had terrible luck....but let's say, for arguments' sake, there IS some "assistance" given to certain teams in times like this. wouldn't the Flyers be next in line?

Bettman saves the sinking Pens with Crosby
Bettman resurrects Original 6 Blackhawks with Kane
Bettman guides the Big, Bad Bruins back to the Cup
Bettman replants the best hockey player in the game to Edmonton
Bettman provides the one of the biggest hockey markets with Matthews
Bettman oversees a close to OG 6 classic team like the Blues to their first cup in 50 years
Bettman assures Big Market Rangers with high lottery picks

WHENS GONNA BE MY TIME LORD!??? WHENS GONNA BE MY TIME!!???

- Wingdestroyer

Bettman has no say in how the lottery unfolds lol. Whether they get the first overall or a top five pick they’re gonna get a great young player, as they did last year. They don’t have to get generational kids, although it would be nice, they just need to continue building thru the draft and establish a young core.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Dec 30 @ 11:03 AM ET
Never count the Pens out of a lottery drawing 🤣
- Tomahawk


I guess it's possible the Penguins miss the playoffs. Isn't the lottery draft weighted this year? I thought only the bottom 4 had a chance at the #1 pick.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 30 @ 11:05 AM ET
Ok, so do you believe Atkinson returns next season, TK is off the PK and PP1? Would Atkinson be more likely to replace Brown, Delaurais, on the PK before TK? I look at it as seizing the opportunity. Atkinson hasn't played with lesser center quality then TK this season. I
see your point, I guess I'm trying to determine if TK is a foundational piece who should still be here when the team gets back into contention. His contract is up in 2 yrs.

- Trox88



The Flyers PK is terrible. I think in large part due to the tactics and scheme that they play but regardless. I don't see Konecny playing on the PK as a big factor. The biggest factor is that he has stepped up offensively and is producing at a high level despite not playing with a legitimate top line center. This is an indication that Konecny is now a play driver independent of linemates.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Dec 30 @ 11:14 AM ET
Ok, so do you believe Atkinson returns next season, TK is off the PK and PP1? Would Atkinson be more likely to replace Brown, Delaurais, on the PK before TK? I look at it as seizing the opportunity. Atkinson hasn't played with lesser center quality then TK this season. I
see your point, I guess I'm trying to determine if TK is a foundational piece who should still be here when the team gets back into contention. His contract is up in 2 yrs.

- Trox88


TK won't be off the PP1. As for PK it would be tough to say. I don't want to assume Atkinson is back. Something is off there.
Wingdestroyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.27.2020

Dec 30 @ 11:24 AM ET
Bettman has no say in how the lottery unfolds lol. Whether they get the first overall or a top five pick they’re gonna get a great young player, as they did last year. They don’t have to get generational kids, although it would be nice, they just need to continue building thru the draft and establish a young core.
- Dave21Brown


yes, i am aware that is more than likely the case lol

and i agree...they just need to draft GOOD players with these first rounders. continue to build. if they nail it, and 3 of the 4 first rounders from 22-24 becomes top line players, you're in a good spot. THEN you can start thinking about adding via FA and trades and such. missing COMPLETELY on FOUR f'n first round picks really really really put the Flyers in a bad way.

Thanks Obama...i mean Hextall!
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